Catholic bishop starts same-sex-attraction ministry

  • metta

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    Feb 03, 2012 4:24 AM GMT

    Catholic bishop starts same-sex-attraction ministry


    http://bangordailynews.com/2012/02/02/religion/catholic-bishop-starts-same-sex-attraction-ministry/
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    Feb 03, 2012 4:27 AM GMT
    metta8 said
    Catholic bishop starts same-sex-attraction ministry


    http://bangordailynews.com/2012/02/02/religion/catholic-bishop-starts-same-sex-attraction-ministry/
    "The program is patterned after 12-step programs such as Alcoholics Anonymous."

    Typical crap!
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    Feb 03, 2012 4:28 AM GMT
    I'm starting my own organization called 'All Families!'and our focus will be to pray the stupid away....starting with these Catholic leaders! icon_wink.gif
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    Feb 03, 2012 8:00 AM GMT
    As a Catholic, I respect their attempt but I find it funny and ironic. I remember being 21 and just recently baptized. I talked to a priest at a retreat about being gay after a talk about love and relationships was given by a fellow retreat teammate. He explained that in hebrew there were 3 kinds of love. Love of a friend, love by commitment, and being intimate with another. The only way for a relationship to work out was to have all three of these flames burning together. I had had that before when my fiance were in love and on the verge of being married. When I explained it to the priest, I'll never forget his words. He said, "Your first mistake is that you doubt yourself. Don't. God made you who you are and loves you. Do what feels right. Pray that he shows you who it is you are meant to have in your life... be it a woman or a man. Either way by asking for what his will is from him... you'll know so simply and so plainly that you'll never be able to doubt it." Shortly there after I met my now ex bf Edgar whom I was about to ask to marry me before he broke things off with me. i stop and think back on that a lot and even though Edgar and I didn't work out... I've never felt safer or know more than ever that I was meant to be with a man. I think the problem with the catholic church is that there are a lot of old priest that want things to go back to how it used to be and haven't fully embraced vatican 2... until thoes generations retire, pass on, etc... it's going to be mixed. I care not what man says about what God wants for me... I'll go straight to the source and so should anyone whom has faith in Christ. I hope to one day have a husband with whom I can share my faith with... him being a catholic or not.
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    Feb 03, 2012 8:00 AM GMT
    gesh, an embarrassment to my faith!
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    Feb 03, 2012 8:03 AM GMT
    Ryan_Andrew saidAs a Catholic, I respect their attempt but I find it funny and ironic. I remember being 21 and just recently baptized. I talked to a priest at a retreat about being gay after a talk about love and relationships was given by a fellow retreat teammate. He explained that in hebrew there were 3 kinds of love. Love of a friend, love by commitment, and being intimate with another. The only way for a relationship to work out was to have all three of these flames burning together. I had had that before when my fiance were in love and on the verge of being married. When I explained it to the priest, I'll never forget his words. He said, "Your first mistake is that you doubt yourself. Don't. God made you who you are and loves you. Do what feels right. Pray that he shows you who it is you are meant to have in your life... be it a woman or a man. Either way by asking for what his will is from him... you'll know so simply and so plainly that you'll never be able to doubt it." Shortly there after I met my now ex bf Edgar whom I was about to ask to marry me before he broke things off with me. i stop and think back on that a lot and even though Edgar and I didn't work out... I've never felt safer or know more than ever that I was meant to be with a man. I think the problem with the catholic church is that there are a lot of old priest that want things to go back to how it used to be and haven't fully embraced vatican 2... until thoes generations retire, pass on, etc... it's going to be mixed. I care not what man says about what God wants for me... I'll go straight to the source and so should anyone whom has faith in Christ. I hope to one day have a husband with whom I can share my faith with... him being a catholic or not.


    Ryan, wow what great words your priest told you, words for life
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    Feb 03, 2012 10:01 AM GMT
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    Ryan_Andrew saidAs a Catholic, I respect their attempt but I find it funny and ironic. I remember being 21 and just recently baptized. I talked to a priest at a retreat about being gay after a talk about love and relationships was given by a fellow retreat teammate. He explained that in hebrew there were 3 kinds of love. Love of a friend, love by commitment, and being intimate with another. The only way for a relationship to work out was to have all three of these flames burning together. I had had that before when my fiance were in love and on the verge of being married. When I explained it to the priest, I'll never forget his words. He said, "Your first mistake is that you doubt yourself. Don't. God made you who you are and loves you. Do what feels right. Pray that he shows you who it is you are meant to have in your life... be it a woman or a man. Either way by asking for what his will is from him... you'll know so simply and so plainly that you'll never be able to doubt it." Shortly there after I met my now ex bf Edgar whom I was about to ask to marry me before he broke things off with me. i stop and think back on that a lot and even though Edgar and I didn't work out... I've never felt safer or know more than ever that I was meant to be with a man. I think the problem with the catholic church is that there are a lot of old priest that want things to go back to how it used to be and haven't fully embraced vatican 2... until thoes generations retire, pass on, etc... it's going to be mixed. I care not what man says about what God wants for me... I'll go straight to the source and so should anyone whom has faith in Christ. I hope to one day have a husband with whom I can share my faith with... him being a catholic or not.


    Ryan, wow what great words your priest told you, words for life


    Even better bro... look in to these two saints...

    St. Sergius and St. Bacchus are to same gender loving saints. Not kidding. I learned about them at my University. Going to a private catholic university was awesome esapically when our Gay/Straight Alliance organization did their safe zone training and I learned about these two saint. I talk about them a lot now. It's because of a promise I made. Truly, once I get my apartment, I will be getting a small canvas of them painted so I can place in my bedroom. If God could see their faith and love for one another and accept them... why not us?

    http://www.jinxiboo.com/blog/2009/5/3/when-same-sex-marriage-was-a-christian-rite.html


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saints_Sergius_and_Bacchus

    http://www.catholicdoors.com/prayers/novenas/p00086.htm
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    Feb 03, 2012 1:18 PM GMT
    Chastity: borrowed by the early Christian monks and nuns, along with other forms of abstinence, from the traveling Buddhist monks in the Greek empire who came from India with philosophies espousing a life of complete abstinence in order to attain enlightenment and complete detachment from physical needs...

    I mean really? If you want to be a monk, sure, abstain.. if you want to cleanse, sure, abstain.. but to expect people to become chaste all their lives is like expecting them to eat and drink air and sunlight, which are stories I actually heard in India of great sages not needing food, water, sex, anything.. I mean, sure, Im open to miracles, but to expect everyone to do it??

    I disagree with the monks and priests.. and I actually think this whole idea of complete abstinence is totally unhealthy... anyways..

    Lovely picture of the patron saint of the America's, Guadalupe btw.. even though the real Guadalupe came in the form of an apparition of an Aztec princess...

    our_lady_of_guadalupe_4x6-600x900.jpg

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_Guadalupe
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    Feb 03, 2012 1:53 PM GMT
    Ryan_Andrew said. . . . I think the problem with the catholic church is that there are a lot of old priest that want things to go back to how it used to be and haven't fully embraced vatican 2... until thoes generations retire, pass on, etc... it's going to be mixed. I care not what man says about what God wants for me... I'll go straight to the source and so should anyone whom has faith in Christ. I hope to one day have a husband with whom I can share my faith with... him being a catholic or not.



    I don't practice Catholicism anymore, but from what I hear from friends who do is that the problem is not so much with older priests, who often are committed to Vatican II, but with youger priests committed to Benedict's reactionary thinking.
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    Feb 03, 2012 2:22 PM GMT
    lol, not this again. Here's what they were doing back in the 80s, and apparently still doing today.

    http://couragerc.net/

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    Feb 03, 2012 2:41 PM GMT
    GreenHopper said

    our_lady_of_guadalupe_4x6-600x900.jpg


    My mother was named for this deity. :']
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    Feb 03, 2012 2:43 PM GMT
    Antelope is right. The conservative retro charge is being led by those born after Vatican II who long for the "good ole days" but never experienced it. Sure, I love a good Gregorian chant and an Agnus Dei now and then, but we need to move forward, not backwards. The earth revolves around the sun and you just can't change that.
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    Feb 03, 2012 3:06 PM GMT
    Ryan_Andrew saidAs a Catholic, I respect their attempt but I find it funny and ironic. I remember being 21 and just recently baptized. I talked to a priest at a retreat about being gay after a talk about love and relationships was given by a fellow retreat teammate. He explained that in hebrew there were 3 kinds of love. Love of a friend, love by commitment, and being intimate with another. The only way for a relationship to work out was to have all three of these flames burning together. I had had that before when my fiance were in love and on the verge of being married. When I explained it to the priest, I'll never forget his words. He said, "Your first mistake is that you doubt yourself. Don't. God made you who you are and loves you. Do what feels right. Pray that he shows you who it is you are meant to have in your life... be it a woman or a man. Either way by asking for what his will is from him... you'll know so simply and so plainly that you'll never be able to doubt it." Shortly there after I met my now ex bf Edgar whom I was about to ask to marry me before he broke things off with me. i stop and think back on that a lot and even though Edgar and I didn't work out... I've never felt safer or know more than ever that I was meant to be with a man. I think the problem with the catholic church is that there are a lot of old priest that want things to go back to how it used to be and haven't fully embraced vatican 2... until thoes generations retire, pass on, etc... it's going to be mixed. I care not what man says about what God wants for me... I'll go straight to the source and so should anyone whom has faith in Christ. I hope to one day have a husband with whom I can share my faith with... him being a catholic or not.


    I had a Catholic priest tell me something similar as a kid but then turned around and ratted me out. I got kicked out of the youth group and subsequently left the church. Didn't go again until I was 30 and now I am an Episcopalian. This is just more of the same from Rome. I think the bigger problem is that it is so hierarchical and they are not giving the people or the clergy the latitude to minister as people need locally. Catholics are ahead of the curve accepting marriage equality, it's just their leadership who are living in the past.
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    Feb 03, 2012 3:12 PM GMT
    At first I thought it was to accept and incorporate lgbt people into the church...then they go on with the " its like alcoholics anonymous" crap. Seems like going backwards to me.
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    Feb 03, 2012 3:25 PM GMT
    Ok first of all, I love the Catholic Church. So i don't want anyone to be fooled on my stance. Secondly, the woman in the picture is not named Guadalupe and she is not a deity. She is called Our Lady of Guadalupe, but her name is Maria, or Mary, the mother of Jesus and she is a human woman. I believe the Catholic Church only wants the best for all of humanity and to treat everyone with dignity and respect. My brother is a priest and I have seen the workings of the Church from every perspective. Every day Catholics, Priests and religious, are all human and make mistakes in their lives just like we all do and they know that. That being said, there is nothing wrong with trying to lift your self beyond your mistakes and be better then you are. There is an ideal, I believe, let's call it perfection, which is God. We can strive to do His Will and be perfect, which is honorable. Will we ever get there? Probably we will not. Jesus dined with sinners and tax collectors right, and he was judged by the people for it. The Catholic church as well as everyone else, makes mistakes sometimes, so we are the people Jesus came to help, thus we are his "church."
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    Feb 03, 2012 3:36 PM GMT
    BeerThereDoneThat saidOk first of all, I love the Catholic Church. So i don't want anyone to be fooled on my stance. Secondly, the woman in the picture is not named Guadalupe and she is not a deity. She is called Our Lady of Guadalupe, but her name is Maria, or Mary, the mother of Jesus and she is a human woman. I believe the Catholic Church only wants the best for all of humanity and to treat everyone with dignity and respect. My brother is a priest and I have seen the workings of the Church from every perspective. Every day Catholics, Priests and religious, are all human and make mistakes in their lives just like we all do and they know that. That being said, there is nothing wrong with trying to lift your self beyond your mistakes and be better then you are. There is an ideal, I believe, let's call it perfection, which is God. We can strive to do His Will and be perfect, which is honorable. Will we ever get there? Probably we will not. Jesus dined with sinners and tax collectors right, and he was judged by the people for it. The Catholic church as well as everyone else, makes mistakes sometimes, so we are the people Jesus came to help, thus we are his "church."


    Agreed but trying to "fix" your sexual orientation is not part of it. I don't see how that is treating people with dignity when the APA and AMA have said that this stuff is damaging.
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    Feb 03, 2012 3:49 PM GMT
    BEERTHERDONETHAT, do you attend Courage meetings and participate?

    http://couragerc.net/


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    Feb 03, 2012 4:22 PM GMT
    I know this is plugging, but I just want to say - - - this is why I joined the Episcopal Church when I was around 20 years old. Even in the 70's we had gay clergy. Not only are gay people accepted, we are embraced and loved.....just as we are........no changes needed. We have many gay priests, deacons, and even bishops. It is good seeing all the people in the Episcopal church who've come over from their former churches - - - and have found a spiritual home with us.
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    Jockbod48 saidI know this is plugging, but I just want to say - - - this is why I joined the Episcopal Church when I was around 20 years old. Even in the 70's we had gay clergy. Not only are gay people accepted, we are embraced and loved.....just as we are........no changes needed. We have many gay priests, deacons, and even bishops. It is good seeing all the people in the Episcopal church who've come over from their former churches - - - and have found a spiritual home with us.


    I read in an article about the Ordinariate that there are about 1,250 people interested, compared to some 250,000 Episcopalians who were raised Roman Catholic.
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    Feb 03, 2012 5:23 PM GMT
    I think the Catholic priests need to preach abstinence to themselves, and refrain from seeking contact with altar boys. That ministry is needed first.icon_razz.gif
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    Feb 03, 2012 5:47 PM GMT
    Our Divine Creator, The ALMIGHTY One, Loves You Unconditionally. My Gay Life is Not Equal to Being some kind of an Addict. I Know: Who I am, who I love and I'm at Peace with my sexual expression....(and practice it quite often...LOL)

    If this ministry works for you, and it seems to with the amount of members-Go For It!!! It's probably a great place to meet like-minded men who need to pull themselves out of self-hating behavior pattern (addiction), have a more sober social network of friends and 12 steps to resolve underlying issues that are disrupting your path to the life you truly deserve.

    At one time,I was Catholic,too, and I understand the family-friend-pressures as well as the religious doctrines that would cause any closet gay person to turn to addictive behaviors. When it comes down to it, we want to be Loved and we Want to fit into Society! This ministry is probably a great stepping stone for that!

    Unfortunately, the underlying message with this ministry is very Clear, "You are Gay. Being Gay is EVIL! You need an Intervention!" LMAO I guess I just don't believe homosexuality is evil, that's all. I have prayed to the Almighty Father, and I've heard His response in my heart: I Love You for who you are because I created You as You are!

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    BeerThereDoneThat saidOk first of all, I love the Catholic Church. So i don't want anyone to be fooled on my stance. Secondly, the woman in the picture is not named Guadalupe and she is not a deity. She is called Our Lady of Guadalupe, but her name is Maria, or Mary, the mother of Jesus and she is a human woman. I believe the Catholic Church only wants the best for all of humanity and to treat everyone with dignity and respect. My brother is a priest and I have seen the workings of the Church from every perspective. Every day Catholics, Priests and religious, are all human and make mistakes in their lives just like we all do and they know that. That being said, there is nothing wrong with trying to lift your self beyond your mistakes and be better then you are. There is an ideal, I believe, let's call it perfection, which is God. We can strive to do His Will and be perfect, which is honorable. Will we ever get there? Probably we will not. Jesus dined with sinners and tax collectors right, and he was judged by the people for it. The Catholic church as well as everyone else, makes mistakes sometimes, so we are the people Jesus came to help, thus we are his "church."


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    Feb 04, 2012 5:56 AM GMT
    Of course I've always had a jaundiced view when it comes to the r.c. church's relationship to gays. So this latest news didn't surprise me or offer anything new. This program is patterned after Alcoholics Anonymous, which strives to solve alcoholics' problems. So what is the problem with gays being themselves? One of the goals with the r.c. church's program is that gays must "live chaste lives." Once again the r.c. church's "solution" is to suppress sex, a near impossibility with most people, gay or straight.
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    Feb 08, 2012 12:46 AM GMT
    How can anyone claim to be a true catholic and be gay at the same time unless they believe that they are "sinning" by being gay?
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    Feb 08, 2012 12:53 AM GMT
    mocktwinkie saidHow can anyone claim to be a true catholic and be gay at the same time unless they believe that they are "sinning" by being gay?


    How can anyone claim to be a conservative and gay at the same time unless they believe they are selfloathing by being conservative?