NYT: Russia and China Block U.N. Action on Syrian Crisis

  • gooddude1583

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    Feb 04, 2012 10:43 PM GMT
    I have to say I completely relate to the words of US ambassador to the UN about Russia and China
    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/02/us-disgusted-by-russia-china-veto-of-un-resolution-to-end-violence-in-syria/
    After all the reports about the massacre taking place in Syria it takes a lot of audacity to keep supporting the current regime. Both Russia and China are far from any sense of justice or concern to human lives but this is still a new low for them. And to add to that Russia keeps selling weapons to the Assad regime.
    This just shows how powerless and useless the UN is if doesn't intervene now!
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    Feb 04, 2012 11:03 PM GMT
    gooddude1583 saidThis just shows how powerless and useless the UN is if doesn't intervene now!


    Correct.

    The UN is a complete and utterly useless failure, a collection of dictatorships and kleptocrats
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    Feb 04, 2012 11:18 PM GMT
    The UN is pretty much useless, but also results from the extremely weak and naive policy of the US Administration. When we pulled the radar plans out from Eastern Europe, we not only embarrassed our allies there, but also gave in to Russia's demands without any quid pro quo, which would have been helpful with both Iran and Syria. China would have been less likely to be odd man out, and we could have exerted some pressure there.
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    Feb 04, 2012 11:28 PM GMT
    http://www.un.org/ga/search/view_doc.asp?symbol=ST/ADM/SER.B/755
    Well it does look strange. The US gives 22% of the UN budget while Russia only gives 1.2%. Chine is around 3%
    I think there is a place for an international body like the UN but not in its current form. Countries with zero respect to human rights and humanitarian values are holding this organization as a hostage.
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    Feb 05, 2012 1:13 AM GMT
    gooddude1583 saidhttp://www.un.org/ga/search/view_doc.asp?symbol=ST/ADM/SER.B/755
    Well it does look strange. The US gives 22% of the UN budget while Russia only gives 1.2%. Chine is around 3%
    I think there is a place for an international body like the UN but not in its current form. Countries with zero respect to human rights and humanitarian values are holding this organization as a hostage.








    Lets think back a little at how many deaths the US caused by its 'pre-emptive' war over trumped up WMD's that were used as an excuse to try fitting supposed facts to an already developed policy. A policy developed by Dual National Neo Cons who dominated the Bush / war administration.


    When Neo Cons condemn China and Russia over Syria they are completely hypocritical in light of our totally wrongfull Iraq war. Whose killed more folks ? the US over its being led by a ring through its nose by the Neo Cons, or Syria ?

    I don't condone Syria's actions not in the least. But we have Israel killing its 5000 Palestinians over 10 years, with US veto's in the UN, and now we have Syria killing 5000 and China and Russia doing the US veto trick at the UN. WA WA WA !!! its come full circle hasn't it !! I mean no disrespect to the mistreated Syrians, only toward this hypocrisy.

    So lets stop all the one sided hypocrisy
  • gooddude1583

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    Feb 05, 2012 2:10 AM GMT
    realifedad I couldn't disagree with you more about this issue!
    You are hypocritical by trying to compare the ruthless of regime of Assad to Israel. I have read some of you twisted observations before so I guess it shouldn't come by any surprise. Not to mention the own ruthless conduct of Russia in Georgia and Chechnya and China in Tibet.
    Your attempt to push Israel to any issue is poor at best.
    I will not discuss this issue with you on this thread as this thread is about the people in Syria!
    More than 5000 people there were killed in the past year and most of were deliberately targeted by the government forces. As we speak the Syrian army is Shelling houses in Homs where hundreds of civilians were killed and thousands injured.
    The topic is about what's going on in Syria and need to act now to stop the bloodshed!
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    Feb 05, 2012 6:42 AM GMT
    gooddude1583 saidrealifedad I couldn't disagree with you more about this issue!
    You are hypocritical by trying to compare the ruthless of regime of Assad to Israel. I have read some of you twisted observations before so I guess it shouldn't come by any surprise. Not to mention the own ruthless conduct of Russia in Georgia and Chechnya and China in Tibet.
    Your attempt to push Israel to any issue is poor at best.
    I will not discuss this issue with you on this thread as this thread is about the people in Syria!
    More than 5000 people there were killed in the past year and most of were deliberately targeted by the government forces. As we speak the Syrian army is Shelling houses in Homs where hundreds of civilians were killed and thousands injured.
    The topic is about what's going on in Syria and need to act now to stop the bloodshed!



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    you said: "your attempt to push Israel to any issue is poor at best" Isn't Israel in the Middle East ? Doesn't the US Veto any effort to call out Israel for its inhumanity in regard to killing Palestinians, pushing over their homes and the like? The answer in both cases is YES, so in that case if that combination is going to play bad bully in the Middle East, then its hypocritical to call out Russia and China for its Veto over some other Middle East regime for the same things we're trying to get by with.

    Besides, Israel likes to tout its being the only Middle East Democratic principled state, then by god it damn well ought to act like one or it naturally Isolates and delegitimizes itself. Every week in the Israeli Papers are examples of very undemocratic actions against the Palestinians,

    An international agency just issued its 2011 reports, the other day that Israel has displaced and made homeless more Palestinians by destroying their homes for foreign Jewish settlers than in several years before. What a really nice and peaceful gesture toward peace with its Middle East neighbors.

    I see you must think that as long as its us doing it ------all is well, we can justify it all by propaganda, with Israel its the 'palestinians' made me do it, with the US its 'sadams' WMD's made me do it. SO ITS ALL GOOD WHEN WE DO IT, so this gives us license to walk in to the UN and stand up and point fingers at the rest of the world at their killings, But G-Damn-it, don't bring up my own killings, because that's anti semitic, or that's anti west.


    Do you actually believe the rest of the world overlooks what we've done in Iraq, what Israel has done to the Palestinians with our Veto approval?

    Do you actually believe we have any room at all to talk against any other nation with our record in the Middle East over the last ten years? How many did our first ten minutes of bombing kill in Iraq over the Neo Con lies about WMD? Was it 5000, maybe 10,000 ? Was that OK and does that give us the license to stand in judgement against Syrias Actions ?

    Israel is in the Middle East, the US consistently backs up its bad behavior with 'Carte Blanche' backing by a Veto, so effectively our leaders have us just as involved as Israel itself in the Middle Eastern affairs.

    WHEN YOU LIVE IN A GLASS HOUSE YOU DON'T THROW STONES,

    IF YOU'VE GOT A LOG IN YOUR EYE IT'S KINDA DUMB TO POINT OUT THE SLIVER IN THE OTHER GUYS EYE.

    IF YOUR THE BLACK KETTLE YOU DON"T TRY TO DIMINISH THE POT OVER ITS BEING BLACK.


    Israel has no room to talk or brag against any of its neighbors because of its actions against the Palestinians and other neighborhood attacks and because of US 'Carte Blanche' approval of their actions as well as its record in Iraq, is just as Isolated and Hypocritical over this supposed moral outrage toward Syria.

    I don't approve in the least in these Killings of Syrians, no more than I do of US killings through unnecessary wars to please the Neo Cons, or the Israeli's shooting Palestinian children under age 12 throught the head by its snipers.

    Just think about it, we have no credibility to go around the world interfering and interjecting our 'justice' and holding others up to standards that we broke by thousands more times.




  • gooddude1583

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    Feb 05, 2012 7:32 PM GMT
    realifedad I'm done trying to talk sense to you as you are clearly obsessed with Israel and don't let the facts or reality divert you from that.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-16896783

    "...The Syrian National Council, the biggest opposition group, said Russia and China were "responsible for the escalating acts of killing", calling the veto "an irresponsible step that is tantamount to a licence to kill with impunity".