Alternative treatment for High Blood Pressure / Hypertension

  • irishcream

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    Feb 05, 2012 5:20 AM GMT
    My dad recently was diagnosed with High Blood Pressure / Hypertension. The doctor said the medications will have side effects.

    I understand that there is no cure for this condition, but was wondering if there might be other alternatives or cure even.

    I am also worry about my own health, and fear that I will one day end up with the same sh*t. And preventive measures I can take to not go there?

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  • commoncoll

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    Feb 05, 2012 7:27 PM GMT
    Exercise has been proven to be the best "alternative" besides prescription drugs to reduce hypertension. It is also a very good preventative measure.

    The second measure is diet. While high salt levels in diet do not cause hypertension, they can lead to worsening conditions. Smoking, alcohol, and drugs can exacerbate the condition. Reduced fat levels in diet also help in not storing fat in blood vessels which harden as you age and as a response to increased pressure, stored fat in blood vessels can lead to blood clots which can become life-endangering.

    Note, you may be genetically disposed to hypertension, but if you lead a good lifestyle with high activity levels, little to no drugs and alcohol, etc you can develop it later rather than earlier and reduce the affect it has on your body.

    Certain foods can increase blood pressure or decrease blood pressure, like cinnamon and grapefruits and whatnot, but they are only momentary measures until the time they enter your GI and affect your kidneys to the time they exit, perhaps only 3 to 4 hours. So your father has to be careful with his drugs and the amount of these foods he consumes especially as he goes to sleep so that the blood pressure does not become too low.

    Hypertension is a chronic condition, unless gestational only; there is no cure.
  • MikemikeMike

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    Feb 06, 2012 8:14 AM GMT
    irishcream saidMy dad recently was diagnosed with High Blood Pressure / Hypertension. The doctor said the medications will have side effects.

    I understand that there is no cure for this condition, but was wondering if there might be other alternatives or cure even.

    I am also worry about my own health, and fear that I will one day end up with the same sh*t. And preventive measures I can take to not go there?

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    People who keep themselves fit, cardio wise can naturally lower their blood pressure. Also maintaining a heatly body weight, clean diet and NO smoking will definitely helpicon_idea.gif
  • musclmed

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    Feb 07, 2012 4:02 AM GMT
    irishcream saidMy dad recently was diagnosed with High Blood Pressure / Hypertension. The doctor said the medications will have side effects.

    I understand that there is no cure for this condition, but was wondering if there might be other alternatives or cure even.

    I am also worry about my own health, and fear that I will one day end up with the same sh*t. And preventive measures I can take to not go there?

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    All medication have side effects.

    Water has side effects.

    If you look at the common anti-hypertensives they ( Ace Inhibitors) they prolong life.
    they are generally 4 dollars a month and well tolerated. Giving most little reason to search an ALTERNATIVE.

    If you do NOT treat it, he will most definitely have a shorter life.

    Essential Hypertension does not have to come with obesity or a sedentary life.

    The type of hypertension that is curable is not common (Hyperaldosteronism) and not worth discussing in the thread.

    My specialty for the most part are the specialists that have expertise in hypertension. You do not need to obsess over blood pressure at your age, but keeping fit will help you in the future.

    As for "Alternative Treatments" what about that is more palatable? Drugs for hypertension nowadays are studied with the endpoint of enhanced survival. There are many compounds that can lower blood pressure , but we only use the ones that make people live longer.
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    Feb 07, 2012 4:18 AM GMT
    There is an eating plan called DASH... Dietary Approaches to Stop Hypertension. Eating a diet that is rich in whole grains, fruits, vegetables and low-fat dairy products can help to lower your blood pressure. Also, I think that juicing (not steroid jucing) can help. Blending veggies and fruits and drinking them. Dark fruits like beets, grapes, mangostein (the outter part). There is a juice that is made from mangostein. comes in many names like Xango etc. I know a guy who used to take blood presure pills.. he started drinking that stuff and he no longer needed to take the pills.
  • jacksmack

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    Feb 07, 2012 4:35 AM GMT
    I take it you're looking for an alternative to prescription meds? Fish peptides are a well known nutraceutical that was discovered in Japan.

    The most popular one I can find is PeptACE http://www.naturalfactors.com/us/en/products/detail/4486/peptace-fish-peptides but there are probably other variations.

    With that said, you should know that I haven't tried it. The only reason I know about it is through a research project I had at school.

    Good luck your search!

  • musclmed

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    Feb 07, 2012 4:40 AM GMT
    Brazilianaire saidThere is an eating plan called DASH... Dietary Approaches to Stop Hypertension. Eating a diet that is rich in whole grains, fruits, vegetables and low-fat dairy products can help to lower your blood pressure. Also, I think that juicing (not steroid jucing) can help. Blending veggies and fruits and drinking them. Dark fruits like beets, grapes, mangostein (the outter part). There is a juice that is made from mangostein. comes in many names like Xango etc. I know a guy who used to take blood presure pills.. he started drinking that stuff and he no longer needed to take the pills.


    an anecdotal story. The truth again there are many compound that lower blood pressure. Only some we use to treat hypertension as they are associated with a longer life

    This is a common misconception to the problem just being the "pressure". It has a deeper physiological explanation and the cure is not just lowering the pressure.

    The hormones that cause the higher blood pressure also cause changes in the blood vessels and organs.

    btw Xango is cherry juice and a multilevel marketing scam. research it.
  • FRE0

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    Feb 07, 2012 4:54 AM GMT
    My sister, age 66, had slightly high blood pressure. She decided to see if she could reduce it without medication, and she succeeded. She already worked out in a gym, but she added a lot of walking to her exercise regimen. Walking 100 miles per week did the job. That's only 3.3 miles per day, and one can easily walk 3.3 miles in less than an hour. So, the evidence suggests that many people could reverse hypertension with exercise alone.
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    Feb 07, 2012 5:06 AM GMT
    musclmed said
    Brazilianaire saidThere is an eating plan called DASH... Dietary Approaches to Stop Hypertension. Eating a diet that is rich in whole grains, fruits, vegetables and low-fat dairy products can help to lower your blood pressure. Also, I think that juicing (not steroid jucing) can help. Blending veggies and fruits and drinking them. Dark fruits like beets, grapes, mangostein (the outter part). There is a juice that is made from mangostein. comes in many names like Xango etc. I know a guy who used to take blood presure pills.. he started drinking that stuff and he no longer needed to take the pills.


    an anecdotal story. The truth again there are many compound that lower blood pressure. Only some we use to treat hypertension as they are associated with a longer life

    This is a common misconception to the problem just being the "pressure". It has a deeper physiological explanation and the cure is not just lowering the pressure.

    The hormones that cause the higher blood pressure also cause changes in the blood vessels and organs.

    btw Xango is cherry juice and a multilevel marketing scam. research it.


    Uhhh.. I said i know of a guy who started drinking it and he no longer had to take his BP medication.. Whether it's a scam or not, i don't know and I don't care to research it. But I know he no longer had to take the medication and he was only drinking that stuff. So.. besides that.. what is your reccommendation Doc.?
  • tuffguyndc

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    Feb 07, 2012 5:21 AM GMT
    irishcream saidMy dad recently was diagnosed with High Blood Pressure / Hypertension. The doctor said the medications will have side effects.

    I understand that there is no cure for this condition, but was wondering if there might be other alternatives or cure even.

    I am also worry about my own health, and fear that I will one day end up with the same sh*t. And preventive measures I can take to not go there?

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    actually, hypertension is reversible. All he has to do is change his eating habits and start working out. he can then come off his medication
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    Feb 07, 2012 5:42 AM GMT
    Some of you people sound like pharma reps. This is sad...

    While there's no doubt that uncontrolled hypertension is a serious health concern that can cause heart disease and increase your risk of having a stroke, roughly 9 out of 10 people who have hypertension can normalize their blood pressure through lifestyle modifications (hence why a common risk factor for high blood pressure is weight).

    For the most part, high blood pressure is related to your body producing too much insulin. As your insulin levels rise, it causes your blood pressure to increase.

    Exercising, avoiding foods that boost insulin levels (simple carbs, sugars, even grains), reducing stress, vitamin D, and omega-3 fatty acids have been proven to lower blood pressure.

    I certainly agree that for those with very high blood pressure, it’s vital that you do go on a medication to lower your blood pressure; otherwise you are putting yourself at serious risk of a stroke. But to say that there is no cure, or only medication can control it and extend life is disputable.

    As with nearly any situation, if you are on a medication, you certainly want to wean yourself off it under the guidance of a doctor.
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    Feb 07, 2012 5:46 AM GMT
    Basically diet .. exercise too.. and not to mention emotional reactions... higher stress levels lead to high blood pressure.. take up meditation/yoga/martial arts/qi gong.. any kind of discipline that trains you to breathe and relieve stress consciously ... that brings your blood pressure down for sure!
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    Feb 07, 2012 5:47 AM GMT
    ^ also, other things that relieve stress.. like gardening, keeping pets, fish... other hobbies.. the point is: stress relief
  • commoncoll

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    Feb 07, 2012 2:14 PM GMT
    Shahzadeh saidSome of you people sound like pharma reps. This is sad...

    For the most part, high blood pressure is related to your body producing too much insulin. As your insulin levels rise, it causes your blood pressure to increase.

    No. It is no. While what you say is correct, that is not the case in 9/10 people, especially the older people. What you refer to is secondary hypertension which is very uncommon. Most people have primary hypertension, which means there is no underlying cause.

    Hypertension usually can not be reversed. Here's what happens in most people:

    Blood generally moves through vessels because of differences in pressure. It will go from an area of high pressure to low pressure. Hypertension is due to increased resistance in size of small arteries and arterioles because they become narrower due to several reasons. Veins can also lose compliance and "harden" this will send more blood with more pressure back to the heart. This will happen as you age.

    This increased resistance and increased blood supply means that the heart has to work harder to supply enough pressure to send the blood through the large arteries which distribute to the smaller arteries. So, the size of the heart and large arteries increases, they become thicker to be able to produce more pressure to send blood throughout the body. Blood comes back to heart through veins. The larger veins increase size so that pressure can be decreased before it is sent back to the heart. This is called hypertension and it is chronic because this size of the heart and large vessels can not decrease.

    This is also why diet and exercise are not enough; they work for some people because exercise makes a stronger heart which can pump more blood with low resistance and less effort with enough pressure.

    Diet control works because the kidneys produce hormones (along with other organs that produce hormones) that can increase blood supply. Less salt means less blood supply, which means heart needs less effort and so on.
  • Rusty491

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    Feb 07, 2012 2:30 PM GMT
    Diet and exercise are 90% of it. The best supplement for high BP in my opinion is CoQ10, specifically ubiquinol. This is a coenzyme that is used by every cell in the body, but the heart uses more than any other organ. In countries where they actually have their shit together (like Japan), the first thing doctors give their patients for this is 2,000 mgs Omega-3 and 200 mgs of ubiqinol. If that doesn't work, then they turn to synthetic drugs.
  • musclmed

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    Feb 07, 2012 3:19 PM GMT
    Shahzadeh saidSome of you people sound like pharma reps. This is sad...

    While there's no doubt that uncontrolled hypertension is a serious health concern that can cause heart disease and increase your risk of having a stroke, roughly 9 out of 10 people who have hypertension can normalize their blood pressure through lifestyle modifications (hence why a common risk factor for high blood pressure is weight).

    For the most part, high blood pressure is related to your body producing too much insulin. As your insulin levels rise, it causes your blood pressure to increase.

    Exercising, avoiding foods that boost insulin levels (simple carbs, sugars, even grains), reducing stress, vitamin D, and omega-3 fatty acids have been proven to lower blood pressure.

    I certainly agree that for those with very high blood pressure, it’s vital that you do go on a medication to lower your blood pressure; otherwise you are putting yourself at serious risk of a stroke. But to say that there is no cure, or only medication can control it and extend life is disputable.

    As with nearly any situation, if you are on a medication, you certainly want to wean yourself off it under the guidance of a doctor.



    I treat hypertension with drugs that cost 4 dollars a month, and so do most MD's nowadays. I

    Some of what you said is correct. But the hyper insulin state only applies to a fraction of hypertension.

    Rusty491 : I am familiar with the standard of care in japan. Although they utilize some natural approaches. For the most part Nephrology is evidence based and nearly identical to the United States practice. Albeit they have a completely different population base. And a different attitude towards medicine in general.
  • Rusty491

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    Feb 07, 2012 5:41 PM GMT
    [quote]Rusty491 : I am familiar with the standard of care in japan. Although they utilize some natural approaches. For the most part Nephrology is evidence based and nearly identical to the United States practice. Albeit they have a completely different population base. And a different attitude towards medicine in general. [/quote]

    ALWAYS trust a doctor. We all know that pharmaceuticals work, but they do come with side effects. I always, always tell my clients to talk to their doctors about the supplements I suggest, and nothing I say can ever be taken as a substitute for pharmaceuticals. It is my opinion, however, that drugs with irritating or potentially dangerous side effects should not be used unless they are necessary for good health. In most cases, they absolutely are, but I have worked with people every day who were able to avoid taking drugs. Notice I say "avoid" and not "stop". If a doctor has told a client to take a drug, then that's exactly what they should do. If a doctor tells them they need to make some changes in lifestyle and diet to avoid getting on a drug, that's where I step in to help.

    Also, since you mention evidence-based medicine, here are some studies: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/009829979490037X
    http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/421432_1

    Just saying, it isn't as powerful as a drug, but it's clinically proven to support healthy blood pressure, it has no side effects, and it's worth a try.
  • musclmed

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    Feb 07, 2012 8:37 PM GMT
    Rusty491 said[quote]Rusty491 : I am familiar with the standard of care in japan. Although they utilize some natural approaches. For the most part Nephrology is evidence based and nearly identical to the United States practice. Albeit they have a completely different population base. And a different attitude towards medicine in general.


    ALWAYS trust a doctor. We all know that pharmaceuticals work, but they do come with side effects. I always, always tell my clients to talk to their doctors about the supplements I suggest, and nothing I say can ever be taken as a substitute for pharmaceuticals. It is my opinion, however, that drugs with irritating or potentially dangerous side effects should not be used unless they are necessary for good health. In most cases, they absolutely are, but I have worked with people every day who were able to avoid taking drugs. Notice I say "avoid" and not "stop". If a doctor has told a client to take a drug, then that's exactly what they should do. If a doctor tells them they need to make some changes in lifestyle and diet to avoid getting on a drug, that's where I step in to help.

    Also, since you mention evidence-based medicine, here are some studies: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/009829979490037X
    http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/421432_1

    Just saying, it isn't as powerful as a drug, but it's clinically proven to support healthy blood pressure, it has no side effects, and it's worth a try.
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    There is 0 mortality data, we have 30 years of experience with current medications.

    If one wants to "chance it" that is fine.

    Studies are a DIME a dozen, but " a cohort of 46 men and 37 women with isolated systolic hypertension." is a small isolated study. typical hypertension trials have 1000's

    This study for the obvious reason did not put Coq10 against the standard medications because likely it would be unethical and stopped. And it applies to a very small group.

    thing a MD have to think about what does 50 years of Coq10 high dose do to someone? we have no clue. All things to consider.
  • Rusty491

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    Feb 07, 2012 10:50 PM GMT
    Why yes, taking someone off a medicine and giving them a dietary supplement that may not work IS unethical. Thanks for pointing that out, I'm not sure how it's relevant though, considering I'm not advising anyone to discontinue medication. Like I said, I'm sure we all agree that pharmaceutical drugs are obviously the best and most successful way to treat this condition, but the poster asked for input on alternative treatments, and I have suggested some of the best alternative options. I'm not saying he shouldn't take drugs, nor am I saying he shouldn't listen to his physician. I'm just giving him the responses he asked for.
  • FRE0

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    Feb 10, 2012 10:48 PM GMT
    In this thread, salt has been mentioned only twice.

    Most of us Americans have a salt intake that is far too high. Avoiding excessive salt can be challenging because it is added to many foods where one would not expect it. Even some breakfast cereals have added salt. The only brand of tomato juice sold by the supermarket where I do most of my grocery shopping has considerable added salt; I have to buy the tomato juice at another store to get it without added salt. Restaurant meals tend to be much too high in salt. If one wishes, one can always add salt, but one cannot remove it. Therefore it really doesn't make sense for restaurants or factories to add salt especially considering that many health authorities see excessive salt as a health hazard.

    Salt does cause water retention thereby increasing blood volume and blood pressure. I know that if I have even one meal that is too high in salt, a couple days later my body has considerable excess water to eliminate forcing me to arise a couple times during the night to go to the bathroom.

    It seems that drinking more water will wash excessive salt from the body thereby solving the water retention problem until again ingesting too much salt.

    Eliminating excessive sodium from the diet has been shown to reduce blood pressure and thereby reduce the risk of strokes and heart attacks. Of course exercise, avoiding excessive weight, and other aspects of the diet are also important.
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    Feb 10, 2012 11:05 PM GMT
    He can either use what science has told us works, lower salt intake, loose weight and exercise, which will ACTUALLY decrease your blood pressure or he can use magic and witchcraft and herbs and that sort of shit and have a heart attack and risk death.

    It's his choice.
  • commoncoll

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    Feb 11, 2012 11:04 PM GMT
    One thing I want to add since others have mentioned salt, NaCl is not the only salt present in diet. The definition of a salt is that it is a byproduct of an acid and a base mixing together. KCl, potassium chloride, Na2HPO4, sodium phosphate, and NaHCO3, sodium bicarbonate, these are also other common salts ingested through diet.

    But sodium chloride is the most used and the most "dangerous."

    It's not possible to watch everything you eat, thus, moderation is key. In people who do not suffer from hypertension, increased levels of salt in diet is not harmful. But still, we all need to be careful.