Iranian Press TV accused of faking drone strike reports; Britain bans Iran's Press TV from airwaves

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    Feb 05, 2012 5:54 PM GMT
    Iranian Press TV accused of faking drone strike reports
    Press TV, a television channel funded by the Iranian government, has been accused of running fake stories about American drone strikes in Somalia in a bid to discredit the US.


    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/8932829/Iranian-Press-TV-accused-of-faking-drone-strike-reports.html

    ...an analysis of their reports by the Bureau of Investigative Journalism found no evidence to back up the claims.

    ...reports were found to be identical, with only place names and casualty numbers adjusted.

    Sources cited by the channel including spokesmen for the Somali military could not be tracked down and no evidence was found that they existed

    ...A UN official told the Bureau: "Press TV is not a reliable source. It exaggerates and openly fabricates reports,"

    ...Earlier this week Press TV was fined £100,000 by Ofcom after it broadcast an interview with an Iranian journalist but did not reveal that he was being held by the Iranian regime at the time.
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    Feb 06, 2012 1:21 PM GMT
    Britain bans Iran's Press TV from airwaves
    Britain took a key communications arm of the Iranian state off the airwaves on Friday when Press TV, a satellite news channel, lost its broadcasting licence.


    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/9028435/Britain-bans-Irans-Press-TV-from-airwaves.html

    Ofcom, the UK regulator, took this decision after Press TV repeatedly broke the broadcasting code.

    In 2009, the channel showed an interview with Maziar Bahari, a "Newsweek" journalist, who had been jailed in Tehran while covering mass protests against a disputed presidential election.

    Mr Bahari said this interview had been conducted under duress and his captors had threatened him with execution unless he gave the answers he wanted. Last year, Ofcom imposed a fine of £100,000 on Press TV, reversing an earlier decision to revoke the channel's licence.

    As part of the investigation into this incident, Ofcom found that editorial decisions governing the channel were taken in Tehran. It wanted Press TV to be under the editorial control of the same company in London that held the broadcasting licence. Alternatively, the licence could have been transferred to Tehran.

    An Ofcom spokesman said that Press TV failed to agree to these proposals, and that consequently its licence had been revoked. This decision was "not taken lightly," he added, and only a handful of licences had been taken away in the eight-year history of Ofcom.

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    Feb 07, 2012 3:44 PM GMT
    Funny that our Iranian agent, propaganda pouncer (also Christened the AyaTrollah by other RJers), isn't here to defend his primary news source.

    The source he uses when he needs one but can't find a report carried in any respectable news source.
    Which is amazingly almost all the time.

    I'm guessing that despite having nothing to say here in its defense, he'll continue to use PressTV for his propaganda.
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    Feb 11, 2012 11:49 PM GMT
    A very interesting report:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/documentaries/2010/07/100624_doc_useful_idiots_lenin.shtml

    Learn of the history of the term "useful idiot".

    Then of current day usage.
    (Part two, starting at the 12:40 min mark.)

    Also speaks of PressTV's lack of journalism standards.
    (After all, it is a tool of the Iranian regime.)
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    Feb 12, 2012 12:33 AM GMT
    Wolverine4 saidFunny that our Iranian agent, propaganda pouncer (also Christened the AyaTrollah by other RJers), isn't here to defend his primary news source.

    The source he uses when he needs one but can't find a report carried in any respectable news source.
    Which is amazingly almost all the time.

    I'm guessing that despite having nothing to say here in its defense, he'll continue to use PressTV for his propaganda.

    Who is our Iranian agent? You mean pouncer? I know we have RJ propagandists for several sides in the Middle East. Odd irony to say that he was "Christened" for his support of Islamic Iran.
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    Feb 12, 2012 3:21 AM GMT
    USEFULL IDIOTS = Uninformed people who give 'Carte Blanche' support to Factions/Issues they are uninformed about. Some of the most obvious are the Christian Fundi's who are the quickest to send their sons to war 'to keep us safe' such as for the Iraq war that was based on lies promoted primarily by a Israeli Dual Citizen group of Neo Cons within our government and the Israeli Lobby AIPAC. (Both groups backed by the crooked cabal of Bush/Cheney).

    This same Christian Fundi group of Useful Idiots give 'Carte Blanche' support to Israel's atrocities toward the Palestinians and its other neighbors, because they believe the bible tells them that all the Land Israel wants is theirs, and that if the US is to be blessed it has to bless Israel. It is these Fundi's Bible Superstitions that cause them to believe they must do these things, so its both idiotic and goes against common sense as well as Useful for the Israeli Lobby AIPAC to be able to support their propaganda.

    Usefull Idiots come in very handy for governments, corps, lobby's and etc. to provide backing for their wish lists on many subjects, however few are as costly to the US in blood and treasure expended, as is for our support of Israel in wars and supporting its attrocities.


    ArtDeco, LIL'AIPAC (W4) really misses Pouncer or he wouldn't bring him up so much, he misses me as RLD too, but not nearly as much apparently. LOL !!
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    Feb 13, 2012 7:10 AM GMT
    Art_Deco saidOdd irony to say that he was "Christened" for his support of Islamic Iran.

    Intended... and add to this that a Jew was saying it. (:

    See also:
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1443151
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    Feb 13, 2012 8:50 PM GMT
    I am sure their news agency (Press TV and the rest of them) has been fabricating a lot more that just that. I am interested to know how they found that out? They probably asked Rupert Murdoch, he has been listening to it all. But are people now banning news agencies based on fabrication, lies and lack of transparency and deception? Really? I suggest some one take a look at CNN and FOX... What a can of worms would that be.
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    Feb 14, 2012 7:54 PM GMT
    ozhanSean> I am sure their news agency (Press TV and the rest of them) has been fabricating a lot more that just that

    True.


    ozhanSean> I am interested to know how they found that out?

    According to the reports, no one could find the Somali officials who were named.

    In the case of the journalist who was interviewed while jailed (and being tortured) - without the report mentioning that he was under duress and that what he says is forced, I guess word got out when he did.


    ozhanSean> They probably asked Rupert Murdoch, he has been listening to it all.

    LOL.

    ozhanSean> But are people now banning news agencies based on fabrication, lies and lack of transparency and deception? Really? I suggest some one take a look at CNN and FOX...

    I don't think that was the standard. There's a line between "reporting news" and "opinion" (so talking heads, especially on 24-hour channels with more airtime than substance, can say what they wish). But reporting fabricated "news"... that's quite different. (Like a photographer who photoshopped images to spice them for publication.)
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    Feb 15, 2012 8:54 PM GMT
    Wolverine4 saidozhanSean> I am sure their news agency (Press TV and the rest of them) has been fabricating a lot more that just that

    True.


    ozhanSean> I am interested to know how they found that out?

    According to the reports, no one could find the Somali officials who were named.

    In the case of the journalist who was interviewed while jailed (and being tortured) - without the report mentioning that he was under duress and that what he says is forced, I guess word got out when he did.


    ozhanSean> They probably asked Rupert Murdoch, he has been listening to it all.

    LOL.

    ozhanSean> But are people now banning news agencies based on fabrication, lies and lack of transparency and deception? Really? I suggest some one take a look at CNN and FOX...

    I don't think that was the standard. There's a line between "reporting news" and "opinion" (so talking heads, especially on 24-hour channels with more airtime than substance, can say what they wish). But reporting fabricated "news"... that's quite different. (Like a photographer who photoshopped images to spice them for publication.)


    You dont think FOX and CNN part take in deception?
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    Feb 16, 2012 5:03 AM GMT
    I'm not aware that CNN or even FOX has ever interviewed a hostage without disclosing that he was being held prisoner and subject to torture.

    I'm not aware that CNN or even FOX has fabricated news, pretending it came from government officials in another country who don't exist.

    This is why PressTV had its credentials suspended by British regulators.

    If you want to draw a parallel, you'll need to provide evidence.
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    Feb 16, 2012 7:19 PM GMT
    I dont have to draw a parallel. You chose to expel only murderers because you are a rapist, that doesn't mean rapists are not guilty. I think CNN and FOX are guilty of worse things than you have mentioned. Besides the fact that they "manufacture consent", manipulate the truth and turn it into lies. I have been a part of this one by the way, seen it first hand. But also they are one of the many tools for a few people to destroy the USA. They do constantly lie to the American people, they do hide facts from the American people, the do spy on the American people, and they are lying ALL the time about other countries and their people. This doesn't need proof this needs viewership. They are public enemy number one. You do your own research. I dont think it is a debated issue among people who know their history, those who know the world around them, and those who use independent media instead of corporate media.

    BTW, I dont deny that the Iran Press was probably just as bad, but probably not as good at it as CNN and FOX. Very little truth ever comes out of the governmental of Iran. But it isnt all that much different any where else around the world.
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    Feb 17, 2012 1:02 AM GMT
    ozhanSean> This doesn't need proof

    OK, I guess that explains your lack of proof.


    ozhanSean> I dont deny that the Iran Press was probably just as bad, but probably not as good at it as CNN and FOX. Very little truth ever comes out of the governmental of Iran. But it isnt all that much different any where else around the world.

    The difference, of course, is that CNN and FOX are independent of the US government.
    They can report as they see fit, for better or worse, and are even free to (and do) criticize the government.

    As I've mentioned elsewhere, the US ranks ~#20 in the Reporters Without Borders Freedom Press Index.
    Iran comes in #4 - from the bottom. That would be about #176.
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    Feb 17, 2012 9:33 PM GMT
    Wolverine4 saidozhanSean> This doesn't need proof

    OK, I guess that explains your lack of proof.


    ozhanSean> I dont deny that the Iran Press was probably just as bad, but probably not as good at it as CNN and FOX. Very little truth ever comes out of the governmental of Iran. But it isnt all that much different any where else around the world.

    The difference, of course, is that CNN and FOX are independent of the US government.
    They can report as they see fit, for better or worse, and are even free to (and do) criticize the government.

    As I've mentioned elsewhere, the US ranks ~#20 in the Reporters Without Borders Freedom Press Index.
    Iran comes in #4 - from the bottom. That would be about #176.


    HAHAHAHAAHA noooooo, FOX and CNN are not independent.... HAHAH Okay. They report what they are told. They are dun by a few people and their interest is ONLY to benefit those people. The same people that own our politicians. CNN and FOX are some of the worst news agencies in the WORLD. They report the least, and most of it is lies and miss information. All of it perpetual.

    You and I should stop this back and forth. Reason number one: It is irrelevant, since we agree on the main point; Iran Press is crappy. Second: If you dont already know the truth about the American media ,than you and I cant discuss this. Because you are going to need proof for everything that you should have found proof for till now. You have to qualify for a conversation. Its like a person who want to talk about the phenomenon of vaporization and keeps asking me, first, for proof that water is composed of H2O. Thats when I say, NO, no proof for you. Not every conversation and every point requires a proof. DO you own homework. Even if I did present a proof, you wouldn't just take that for granted, and you should not, do your homework. :-)
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    Feb 20, 2012 2:25 PM GMT
    CNN and FOX are independent of the US government.

    Why did you leave out the part in red when you quoted me and responded?

    [Unlike PressTV, CNN & Fox are] free to (and do) criticize the government.

    ozhanSean> ?


    ozhanSean> those who use independent media instead of corporate media

    Too bad you haven't considered that the US allows "alternative" media.
    Unlike some countries....


    Your proof:
    ?

    My Proof:

    http://en.rsf.org/press-freedom-index-2011-2012,1043.html

    #28 United Kingdom
    #175 Iran

    Only Syria, Turkmenistan, North Korea and Eritrea have less press freedom than Iran.

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    Feb 21, 2012 9:26 PM GMT
    Wolverine4 saidCNN and FOX are independent of the US government.

    Why did you leave out the part in red when you quoted me and responded?

    [Unlike PressTV, CNN & Fox are] free to (and do) criticize the government.

    ozhanSean> ?


    ozhanSean> those who use independent media instead of corporate media

    Too bad you haven't considered that the US allows "alternative" media.
    Unlike some countries....


    Your proof:
    ?

    My Proof:

    http://en.rsf.org/press-freedom-index-2011-2012,1043.html

    #28 United Kingdom
    #175 Iran

    Only Syria, Turkmenistan, North Korea and Eritrea have less press freedom than Iran.



    O.K.
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    Feb 23, 2012 2:16 AM GMT
    Maybe unrelated, but informative non the less. thought i would share this with all.

    "Since 1990, a wave of massive deals and rapid globalization have left the media industries further centralized in nine transnational conglomerates --- Disney, AOL Time Warner, Viacom (owner of CBS), News Corporations, Bertelsmann, General electric (owner of NBC), Sony, AT&T-Liberty Media, and Vivendi Universal. These giants own all the world’s major film studios, TV networks, and music companies, and a sizable fraction of the most important cable channels, cable systems, magazines, major-market TV stations, and book publishers. The largest, the recently merged AOL Time Warner, has integrated the leading internet portal into the traditional media system. Another fifteen firms round out the system, meaning that two dozen firms control nearly the entirety of media experienced by most U.S. citizens. Bagdikian concludes that ‘it is the overwhelming collective power of these firms, with their corporate interlocks and unified cultural and political values, that raises troubling questions about the individual’s role in the American Democracy.”

    Edward S. Herman and Noam Chomsky in Manufacturing Consent.
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    Feb 23, 2012 5:11 AM GMT
    Yep, they manufacture B.S.
    As if MSNBC an FOX are heads of the same hydra?

    The US, like the UK and other western countries, allows "alternative" media.
    Iran (and other autocratic states) do not.
    Iran recently blocked facebook, gmail, yahoo & twitter, too.

    Press Freedom Index-2011-2012:

    #28 United Kingdom
    #175 Iran

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    Feb 23, 2012 5:03 PM GMT
    Wolverine4 saidYep, they manufacture B.S.
    As if MSNBC an FOX are heads of the same hydra?

    The US, like the UK and other western countries, allows "alternative" media.
    Iran (and other autocratic states) do not.
    Iran recently blocked facebook, gmail, yahoo & twitter, too.

    Press Freedom Index-2011-2012:

    #28 United Kingdom
    #175 Iran



    As I told you earlier : "O.K", why is that discussion not over. I give in dude, you win. Why do you think people disagree with you about the lack of transparency in Iran. No body does! I dont care. I am actually appalled that you will compare Iran's media with that of a 'supposed' democracy. Who cares how other countries are, we have to be a million times better, and the truth is we are not even much better than them, thats my point. I did not post this to restart a discussion with you. Its not all about you! This is just some info on US media. Which is very manipulative. This was not in refute of your argument. I have no argument with you. Take it easy man! WTF!!!! Dont you get enough sleep? Or are you constipated all the time? F**Ck CNN and FOX and the US Government and the Iranian Government and their media. Take a moment and relax dude! I
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    Feb 23, 2012 7:09 PM GMT
    ozhanSean> why is that discussion not over. I give in dude, you win.

    Problem is that you start your post saying that... then you fall back to regurgitating your same old nonsense.
    It would be easier if you knew how to think and focused on your internal contradictions:

    ozhanSean [Feb 17]> HAHAHAHAAHA noooooo, FOX and CNN are not independent.... HAHAH Okay. They report what they are told. They are dun by a few people and their interest is ONLY to benefit those people. The same people that own our politicians. CNN and FOX are some of the worst news agencies in the WORLD. They report the least, and most of it is lies and miss information. All of it perpetual.

    ozhanSean [today]> I am actually appalled that you will compare Iran's media with that of a 'supposed' democracy. Who cares how other countries are, we have to be a million times better

    But in the next sentence, he disintegrates back to:

    ozhanSean [today]> the truth is we are not even much better than them

    The US, like the UK and other western countries, allows "alternative" media.
    Iran (and other autocratic states) do not.
    Iran recently blocked facebook, gmail, yahoo & twitter, too.

    Press Freedom Index 2011-2012 (out of 179 rankings total):
    #28 United Kingdom
    #175 Iran

    So are we or aren't we much better than them?
    (Hint: the less you babble, the better it will go for you.)
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    Feb 23, 2012 8:33 PM GMT
    Wolverine4 saidozhanSean> why is that discussion not over. I give in dude, you win.

    Problem is that you start your post saying that... then you fall back to regurgitating your same old nonsense.
    It would be easier if you knew how to think and focused on your internal contradictions:

    ozhanSean [Feb 17]> HAHAHAHAAHA noooooo, FOX and CNN are not independent.... HAHAH Okay. They report what they are told. They are dun by a few people and their interest is ONLY to benefit those people. The same people that own our politicians. CNN and FOX are some of the worst news agencies in the WORLD. They report the least, and most of it is lies and miss information. All of it perpetual.

    ozhanSean [today]> I am actually appalled that you will compare Iran's media with that of a 'supposed' democracy. Who cares how other countries are, we have to be a million times better

    But in the next sentence, he disintegrates back to:

    ozhanSean [today]> the truth is we are not even much better than them

    The US, like the UK and other western countries, allows "alternative" media.
    Iran (and other autocratic states) do not.
    Iran recently blocked facebook, gmail, yahoo & twitter, too.

    Press Freedom Index 2011-2012 (out of 179 rankings total):
    #28 United Kingdom
    #175 Iran

    So are we or aren't we much better than them?
    (Hint: the less you babble, the better it will go for you.)


    Okay! So basically you don't want me to post on this thread at all unless I completely agree with you! Fine! No more babble from me.
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    Feb 24, 2012 12:08 AM GMT
    That's not what I said but a straw man.

    I'm suggesting you collect your thoughts and make coherent posts.
    Posts that don't self-contradict.
    Posts that don't start out with "OK, you're right" only to then repeat what you were wrong about.
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    Feb 24, 2012 3:26 AM GMT
    Wolverine4 saidThat's not what I said but a straw man.

    I'm suggesting you collect your thoughts and make coherent posts.
    Posts that don't self-contradict.
    Posts that don't start out with "OK, you're right" only to then repeat what you were wrong about.


    LOL. Yes sir!
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    Feb 24, 2012 3:27 PM GMT
    Much better.
    Now go to my room and await further instruction! (:
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    Feb 29, 2012 5:17 PM GMT
    ROTFL. Looks like the pathological liar, who pretends to have me on ignore since he can't address 99% of what I post, suddenly - after 4 weeks - found something to say on this topic. Not much, but he gave it his best shot, anyhow.

    What we're seeing is pp desperately trying to vindicate his dear and favorite media outlet, the Iranian regime-controlled PressTV.

    A regime which ranks #171 (out of 175) in press freedom - compared to the UK at #28.

    See also:

    Intellectual dishonesty hall of shame: Freedom of opinion/press is found in Iran, not in US or UK.
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1443151


    ozhanSean> we agree on the main point; Iran Press is crappy.

    I leave it up to ozhanSean and Ayatrollah pouncer to debate the topic.