Low Testosterone

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    Feb 07, 2012 7:01 PM GMT

    I KNOW I'm opening myself up to a lot of bashing...but I am at least hoping to get one or two positive responses on this topic.
    I was recently diagnosed with low testosterone and my dr. has prescribed a rather expensive medication for this called ANDROGEL.
    It's only been a year since I had my blood work done, so this is something new that has just popped up.

    My question is: have any guys on here ever had this condition and, if so, what was prescribed and the outcome since taking a testosterone medication?
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    Feb 07, 2012 7:05 PM GMT
    Don't worry... it gets butter.
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    Feb 07, 2012 8:06 PM GMT
    I never did, but my boss did. He was told to take T-bomb and it helped alot.

    for me, the idea of a gel is kind of weird. and it can transfer from you to others making their testosterone level increase (as stated on the Androgel website).

    There just seems to be alot of over the counter products that can help, but the best thing is to follow the advice of your doctor since he should know best what you need.
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    Feb 07, 2012 8:52 PM GMT
    Interesting thread, I've heard mixed things about the gel. Does insurance cover it if you have low testosterone naturally?
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    Feb 07, 2012 9:01 PM GMT
    You should get a second opinion from an endocrinologist. Endocrinologists do a fellowship after finishing their residency in internal medicine where they only study hormones (such as testosterone).
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    Feb 07, 2012 9:09 PM GMT
    Many endos and geriatric physicians know the value of testosterone. Androgel is expensive and low dose. Talk to your doctor about getting test in EMU compounded at 10%. It's about $45.00 a month...and much more effective.

    There are a long list of benefits to adding test into your daily routine. Patients adjusted to 1000 or better have markedly improved outcomes.
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    Feb 07, 2012 9:25 PM GMT
    InsatiableBloom saidInteresting thread, I've heard mixed things about the gel. Does insurance cover it if you have low testosterone naturally?


    The retail cost of this drug is over $350 per month, and my insurance DOES cover it...with a $120 co-pay.

    @ chuckystud: My doctor recommended going to a compound pharmacy...and as far as the price is concerned, they said it runs around $40 to $50 per month. Thanks much for the back-up and great to know that it's actually more effective than Androgel!!!
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    Feb 07, 2012 10:19 PM GMT
    Chuck - what is getting test in EMU compounded at 10%. - what is EMU
    searched for it but could not find it
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    Feb 07, 2012 11:01 PM GMT
    Hey FriendsOnly, I've been on Androgel for the past year. It has helped alot. My overall well being is much better and I don't always feel under the weather. Sex drive picked back up too! Its real easy to apply and I haven't noticed any side effects from it. Good luck!!
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    Feb 07, 2012 11:12 PM GMT
    FriendsOnly saidMy question is: have any guys on here ever had this condition and, if so, what was prescribed and the outcome since taking a testosterone medication?

    I was, and I was also prescribed Androgel, a topical gel you apply to the muscle masses of your upper body.

    It was a hassle to use, smelled like cheap cologne, and reeked so much that people commented. But worse, it produced no increase in my testosterone level. That happens to some men.

    Your results may vary, and if your doctor recommends it you should initially do as told. I am not a medical professional.

    It was very expensive as well, although the first couple of months of trial samples were virtually free. When it failed to give me any improvement I stopped.

    Now the goal is the opposite, to suppress my testosterone, because of my prostate cancer. When I get the word I can return to normal testosterone levels I may explore other methods besides Androgel, and will share them here.
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    Feb 07, 2012 11:13 PM GMT
    I hope you won't take offense, but judging from your size, you probably have a lot of issues going on inside you. Based initially from digestion and gut inflammation to the effect all the adipose is having on your system.

    Drs will give a prescription to treat the complaint. Their job is done.

    I suggest getting someone to help you getting your lifestyle fixed to hopefully correct the issues your body is having inside.
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    Feb 07, 2012 11:44 PM GMT
    At a certain age this is actually common. Yes, we also have a change of life that we go through. You would have to be a mental midget for this not to make sense. I suffered from feeling off key, moody, some weight gain. Guys usually suffer without saying anything . Then the sex life got affected, even trying to self please. Oh, also sleep patterns thrown way out of whack.
    You do not need a specialist to make sure you have this. Some things are as simple as a blood test and you don't need a specialized PhD to read it. It is really not that serious. If you are low in testosterone and suffer the symptoms then there is your issues.
    I use Testim. It comes with a discount card good for 12 months so free with insurance, at least it is with mine. Been on it for one and a half months and feel great. Sexual issue cleared up and back to feeling myself. I realize I am in a sense cheating the natural stage of growing older but I am not ready to walk off into greyer pastures and my man is not ready for me to do that either. As far as the issue of, oh my god it's some sort of cream you have to put on, grow some nuts and get past it. This is your life and not an episode of Designing Women. The cream goes on your shoulders after your morning shower and will not effect anyone after two hours.
    Honorable mention here for younger guys. Some go through this way too early. Thanks for being brave enough to bring up the topic. More guys suffer through this silently wondering what gives? I stupidly waited two years before doing something about it out of pride and a lack of knowledge.
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    Feb 08, 2012 12:05 AM GMT
    Low T causes many problems for those who have it. I was just denied reimbursment by my insurance company. Yet, I'll bet a women would not denied estrogen. Good to know that the antidepressants will be covered.
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    Feb 08, 2012 12:40 AM GMT
    No bub, certainly not free. Free after rebate card. I would be paying around 40 like others quoted. There are cheaper products than what your using that does the same thing.
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    Feb 08, 2012 12:43 AM GMT
    NJPG saidChuck - what is getting test in EMU compounded at 10%. - what is EMU
    searched for it but could not find it


    Google EMU oil / emu lotion.

    No mess, no fuss. You just rub it on.
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    Feb 08, 2012 12:45 AM GMT
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    InsatiableBloom saidInteresting thread, I've heard mixed things about the gel. Does insurance cover it if you have low testosterone naturally?


    The retail cost of this drug is over $350 per month, and my insurance DOES cover it...with a $120 co-pay.

    @ chuckystud: My doctor recommended going to a compound pharmacy...and as far as the price is concerned, they said it runs around $40 to $50 per month. Thanks much for the back-up and great to know that it's actually more effective than Androgel!!!


    Androgel is a rip off and is dosed too low. Test base in EMU lotion...rub it on, and you're good to go. Because it's compounded, it's cheaper, and dosed higher.
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    Feb 11, 2012 12:13 AM GMT

    Update: Feb 10th

    Well, I decided to go to a compounding pharmacy. The Rx has been filled, but I don't like the price. I was told that my insurance company had rejected it and that I would have to pay retail price. This started on Wednesday....I've been on the phone with a dozen different people since then trying to figure out WHY men are being discriminated against.
    When I check the forumarly book for covered medications, I found only SEVEN for male hormones, while there are over 150 for women. All of the men's meds are astronomically priced, while the 50% of the women's meds have NO co-payment, 40% had a $3 co-pay and only 10% had a $40 co-pay.
    Talk about SEXIST!!!! I'm really pissed...and I'm NOT done yet. I am NOT going to take this lying down!!
    The insurance company now has until Monday to give me a final decision on the compounded medication. IF they do NOT approve it...the shit is going to hit the fan!!
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    Feb 11, 2012 9:11 PM GMT
    Can your prescription be filled through a Canadian pharmacy?
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    Feb 11, 2012 9:51 PM GMT
    FriendsOnly said
    Update: Feb 10th

    Well, I decided to go to a compounding pharmacy. The Rx has been filled, but I don't like the price. I was told that my insurance company had rejected it and that I would have to pay retail price. This started on Wednesday....I've been on the phone with a dozen different people since then trying to figure out WHY men are being discriminated against.
    When I check the forumarly book for covered medications, I found only SEVEN for male hormones, while there are over 150 for women. All of the men's meds are astronomically priced, while the 50% of the women's meds have NO co-payment, 40% had a $3 co-pay and only 10% had a $40 co-pay.
    Talk about SEXIST!!!! I'm really pissed...and I'm NOT done yet. I am NOT going to take this lying down!!
    The insurance company now has until Monday to give me a final decision on the compounded medication. IF they do NOT approve it...the shit is going to hit the fan!!


    The likely answer to your question is the andropause is not taken as seriously as it should by the medical profession. I've called endocrinologists offices and the medical receptionists don't even know what it is. It still isn't in the dictionary, at the least the online one. Many doctors are going through it and denying it. In short, it's the ignorant social attitudes (despite doctors denying it) that hormones are a female thing, that anything hormonal with men is only about erections, and that it's not that bad for men.

    If you are alive and human, you're going to go through menopause or andropause. It's different in how and how much it impacts each individual. Hardly noticeable at all for some guys. Devastating to others, and all shades in between. Testosterone controls not just libido and sexual performance, but building and maintaining muscle, bones, energy level, memory, mental acuity and clarity, AND mood, and mental and emotional wellness. Doctors call it the "feel good" hormone because we need it to feel well, to feel motivated, vital, and to feel good. Otherwise, it can cause mood changes, depression, irritability, apathy and disinterest in all areas of life, rendering some men seriously unwell. Some men only feel this slightly. If not treated, low T sometimes can be the precursor of a list of serious and some deadly diseases, including diabetes, Alzheimer's disease, and other conditions.

    Taking testosterone in a form and dosage that is right for you works for many guys. However, it isn't that simple, as no hormone works alone. It's not uncommon for adropausal men to have high estrogen, which is equally serious, and making the testosterone even lower. It's more than this, too. The key is a hormonal balance, which includes lots of hormones interacting with each other. Few doctors know about this, including endocrinologists. There are doctors who have had the updated extra education and know just what to do, with wonderful results. They are hard to find, and often expensive, or most insurance doesn't cover, or you have to pay in full by yourself upfront even if your insurance covers it. Such doctors often use better testing (saliva, urine) than simple Quest blood tests, and try to use bio-identical hormones from an accredited compounding pharmacy.

    Incidentally, in a seminar about andropause I attended, the doctor who treated andropause said Androgel does not work on at least 20+ percent of the male population.

    I'm overloaded with this issue because I'm one of the guys who is suffering from most symptoms to an extreme. I had to research it, but I'm not a doctor and don't want to be. I just need a good one who understands what I wrote about. I'm on Medicare, so that cuts me out of the doctors in the know about the intricacies and conditions of hormonal imbalance related to andropause, and who use bioidentical hormones. If anyone has any ideas how someone on Medicare can get a knowledgeable doctor to treat my low T and Andropause, or knows of one specifically, please let me know. I live in Connecticut. Thanks so say the least.
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    Feb 11, 2012 11:04 PM GMT
    I am working with an endocrinologist right now....the last leg of my medical education. Yesterday I had a patient who is suffering from Hypergonadotropic hypogonadism due to long standing use of steroids when he was body building. His testes just stopped producing testosterone. Btw, he was hot. icon_lol.gif When he was first diagnosed his ENDOCRINOLOGIST put him on testosterone injections as he was loosing bone and muscle mass, his libido was crap, having erectile dysfunction, depression etc. After his level reached low normal range and the symptoms were alleviated, he started on Androderm patch and later switched to Androgel.

    Androgel is low potency testosterone. If someone's level is very low the ENDOCRINOLOGIST....not just a primary care doctor, would put someone on testosterone injections.

    Most private insurances would not cover Androgel or Androderm patches. Surprisingly, Medicare and Medicaid does.
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    Feb 11, 2012 11:12 PM GMT
    I have recently begun injections myself. I was originally prescribed Testim, but my insurance would cover none of it, so my only other option was injections. On one hand, it's MUCH cheaper, and you only have to do it once every two weeks. But for people like myself who have an aversion to needles, injecting myself is not enjoyable at all. I've only been doing it for about 8 weeks, so it's a little soon to notice and major changes, but at the outset I did seem to notice an increased sex drive (which had been almost nonexistent before). I'll be very interested to hear how things go with you, and also to hear other guys' experiences, especially those who take injections.
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    Feb 11, 2012 11:15 PM GMT
    nomadfornow saidI have recently begun injections myself. I was originally prescribed Testim, but my insurance would cover none of it, so my only other option was injections. On one hand, it's MUCH cheaper, and you only have to do it once every two weeks. But for people like myself who have an aversion to needles, injecting myself is not enjoyable at all. I've only been doing it for about 8 weeks, so it's a little soon to notice and major changes, but at the outset I did seem to notice an increased sex drive (which had been almost nonexistent before). I'll be very interested to hear how things go with you, and also to hear other guys' experiences, especially those who take injections.



    Ill offer injecting it to you. I can assure that you wont even feel it. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Feb 11, 2012 11:19 PM GMT
    Any of Y'all tried Amidren? It's supposed to elevate your Testosterone also, and it's much cheaper than injections or topical gels.
    Worked for me. icon_smile.gif
  • Art2D2x

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    Feb 11, 2012 11:21 PM GMT
    Thanks for bringing this topic up. I'm going to get my testosterone level checked. Didn't know about this stuff before.
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    Feb 11, 2012 11:22 PM GMT
    RNMD said
    nomadfornow saidI have recently begun injections myself. I was originally prescribed Testim, but my insurance would cover none of it, so my only other option was injections. On one hand, it's MUCH cheaper, and you only have to do it once every two weeks. But for people like myself who have an aversion to needles, injecting myself is not enjoyable at all. I've only been doing it for about 8 weeks, so it's a little soon to notice and major changes, but at the outset I did seem to notice an increased sex drive (which had been almost nonexistent before). I'll be very interested to hear how things go with you, and also to hear other guys' experiences, especially those who take injections.



    Ill offer injecting it to you. I can assure that you wont even feel it. icon_biggrin.gif
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