From the People set to Manage Obamacare: Independent auditor finds $10 billion in HHS discrepancies

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    Feb 07, 2012 9:38 PM GMT
    (source behind paywall) - what's $10 billion? It's remarkable there are those who argued here that it would end up saving money.

    http://marathonpundit.blogspot.com/2012/02/get-ready-for-obamacare-independent.html

    In a letter sent Monday, Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.) and Rep. Charles Boustany (R-La.), ask Secretary Kathleen Sebelius to tighten oversight of taxpayer dollars that flow in and out of the agency, including a $500 million difference between its internal accounting and the Treasury's records, and an $866 million difference in divisional budget reports.

    The list of discrepancies found in the annual audit conducted by Ernst & Young include: $1.8 billion in transactions that await close-out; $2.6 billion owed to its employer-based retiree drug plans; and $3.8 billion owed to Medicare from its coverage gap discount.

    "It is unacceptable that HHS fails to maintain accurate financial records and fails to adhere to federal law designed to protect taxpayer dollars from mismanagement and waste," the letter states.

    In November, auditors for Ernst & Young recommended that HHS strengthen "manual and other internal controls to ensure that errors and irregularities are detected in a timely manner."
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    Feb 08, 2012 1:40 AM GMT


    Which is just what a good audit is supposed to do when discrepancies etc are discovered.

    "It is unacceptable that HHS fails to maintain accurate financial records and fails to adhere to federal law designed to protect taxpayer dollars from mismanagement and waste," the letter states."


    Interesting that you post this after getting all squirmy over the Ontario auditor's findings about Accenture being used in Ontario and the appalling waste of taxpayers' money there when the Harris gov't was running things.
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    Feb 08, 2012 1:45 AM GMT
    Too bad Ernst & young doesn't audit the defense dept..or congress!

    woah!
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    Feb 08, 2012 4:32 AM GMT
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    Which is just what a good audit is supposed to do when discrepancies etc are discovered.

    "It is unacceptable that HHS fails to maintain accurate financial records and fails to adhere to federal law designed to protect taxpayer dollars from mismanagement and waste," the letter states."


    Interesting that you post this after getting all squirmy over the Ontario auditor's findings about Accenture being used in Ontario and the appalling waste of taxpayers' money there when the Harris gov't was running things.


    Squirmy? You apparently know very little about the supposed scandal beyond what the CAW tells you.
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    Feb 08, 2012 2:24 PM GMT
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    meninlove said

    Which is just what a good audit is supposed to do when discrepancies etc are discovered.

    "It is unacceptable that HHS fails to maintain accurate financial records and fails to adhere to federal law designed to protect taxpayer dollars from mismanagement and waste," the letter states."


    Interesting that you post this after getting all squirmy over the Ontario auditor's findings about Accenture being used in Ontario and the appalling waste of taxpayers' money there when the Harris gov't was running things.


    Squirmy? You apparently know very little about the supposed scandal beyond what the CAW tells you.

    lol, Ontario's auditor general belongs to CAW?

    srsly?
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    Feb 08, 2012 9:19 PM GMT
    meninlove said
    riddler78 said
    meninlove said

    Which is just what a good audit is supposed to do when discrepancies etc are discovered.

    "It is unacceptable that HHS fails to maintain accurate financial records and fails to adhere to federal law designed to protect taxpayer dollars from mismanagement and waste," the letter states."


    Interesting that you post this after getting all squirmy over the Ontario auditor's findings about Accenture being used in Ontario and the appalling waste of taxpayers' money there when the Harris gov't was running things.


    Squirmy? You apparently know very little about the supposed scandal beyond what the CAW tells you.

    lol, Ontario's auditor general belongs to CAW?

    srsly?


    And yet, it is the CAW that has been at the forefront at attempting to make this a significant issue. The issue however is in estimating whether or not government workers would have been even able to do the job for the costs allocated. Yes, in that context it seems like a horrible waste (though as anyone who has done IT projects knows, things are not necessarily as simple as they seem) and yet, you seemingly don't have the same issues with the gun registry which had a cost overrun of approximately 10 times the cost you're describing. Hypocrisy much?

    Besides, given that I think both are wastes, how does this support your criticisms of bringing up this issue? The HHS is about to be charged with a considerably bigger budget and yet it can't explain $10 billion in discrepancies. Is it your view then that this is acceptable or that it is wise to commit more funds to an agency that has already shown it cannot manage the money it has?
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    Feb 08, 2012 9:31 PM GMT
    TropicalMark saidToo bad Ernst & young doesn't audit the defense dept..or congress!

    woah!


    And the FED!!!!!
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    "and yet, you seemingly don't have the same issues with the gun registry which had a cost overrun of approximately 10 times the cost you're describing. Hypocrisy much? "

    lol, WTF? When have we ever said anything about the gun registry? O.o



    "Is it your view then that this is acceptable or that it is wise to commit more funds to an agency that has already shown it cannot manage the money it has?"

    Man for someone who behaves like he knows all about business etc, you sure don't. Ditto for audits and what happens. Have you any idea of the kind of discrepancies audits at banks, for example, uncover? Likely not. The banks don't close; they have to change their practices. Same with the Harris gov't. They had to change their practices. However when election time came Ontarians felt that wasn't enough.

    The US audit did what it was supposed to do. Now the organization audited has to do what it is supposed to do, or face the consequences.
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    Feb 09, 2012 9:21 PM GMT
    meninlove said

    "and yet, you seemingly don't have the same issues with the gun registry which had a cost overrun of approximately 10 times the cost you're describing. Hypocrisy much? "

    lol, WTF? When have we ever said anything about the gun registry? O.o



    "Is it your view then that this is acceptable or that it is wise to commit more funds to an agency that has already shown it cannot manage the money it has?"

    Man for someone who behaves like he knows all about business etc, you sure don't. Ditto for audits and what happens. Have you any idea of the kind of discrepancies audits at banks, for example, uncover? Likely not. The banks don't close; they have to change their practices. Same with the Harris gov't. They had to change their practices. However when election time came Ontarians felt that wasn't enough.

    The US audit did what it was supposed to do. Now the organization audited has to do what it is supposed to do, or face the consequences.


    I am point out the fact that the gun registry is also a government run IT system that was expected to cost $2 million that ended up coming in at over $1 billion and it hadn't even been finished. Again, your superficial grasp of the issues is in plain view when you don't understand the parallels to the private implementation of this other system as contracted to Accenture that has had a long proven record of large implementations as well. At least if they had written the contract properly they could have reclaimed some dollars from that firm whereas if you do it internally that's just not possible.

    As for HHS - you're right - under normal circumstances if an organization can't account for dollars people lose their jobs - especially if you're talking about amounts of $10 billion or more. But what are their consequences? And instead the federal government is about to radically ramp up their budget.

    As for discrepancies - I can guarantee that there are none at a bank where they are significant otherwise people go to jail (or quickly get fired) - having actually worked on an audit of a bank.
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    Feb 09, 2012 9:48 PM GMT
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    meninlove said

    "and yet, you seemingly don't have the same issues with the gun registry which had a cost overrun of approximately 10 times the cost you're describing. Hypocrisy much? "

    lol, WTF? When have we ever said anything about the gun registry? O.o



    "Is it your view then that this is acceptable or that it is wise to commit more funds to an agency that has already shown it cannot manage the money it has?"

    Man for someone who behaves like he knows all about business etc, you sure don't. Ditto for audits and what happens. Have you any idea of the kind of discrepancies audits at banks, for example, uncover? Likely not. The banks don't close; they have to change their practices. Same with the Harris gov't. They had to change their practices. However when election time came Ontarians felt that wasn't enough.

    The US audit did what it was supposed to do. Now the organization audited has to do what it is supposed to do, or face the consequences.


    I am point out the fact that the gun registry is also a government run IT system that was expected to cost $2 million that ended up coming in at over $1 billion and it hadn't even been finished. Again, your superficial grasp of the issues is in plain view when you don't understand the parallels to the private implementation of this other system as contracted to Accenture that has had a long proven record of large implementations as well. At least if they had written the contract properly they could have reclaimed some dollars from that firm whereas if you do it internally that's just not possible.

    As for HHS - you're right - under normal circumstances if an organization can't account for dollars people lose their jobs - especially if you're talking about amounts of $10 billion or more. But what are their consequences? And instead the federal government is about to radically ramp up their budget.

    As for discrepancies - I can guarantee that there are none at a bank where they are significant otherwise people go to jail (or quickly get fired) - having actually worked on an audit of a bank.

    And how does this concern someone who lives in Canada? And how did you ever hear of this rather convoluted issue, that you would post it here?

    Are you being provided this data? If not, why are you researching it in depth, as a Canadian?
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    Feb 09, 2012 11:09 PM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    riddler78 said
    meninlove said

    "and yet, you seemingly don't have the same issues with the gun registry which had a cost overrun of approximately 10 times the cost you're describing. Hypocrisy much? "

    lol, WTF? When have we ever said anything about the gun registry? O.o



    "Is it your view then that this is acceptable or that it is wise to commit more funds to an agency that has already shown it cannot manage the money it has?"

    Man for someone who behaves like he knows all about business etc, you sure don't. Ditto for audits and what happens. Have you any idea of the kind of discrepancies audits at banks, for example, uncover? Likely not. The banks don't close; they have to change their practices. Same with the Harris gov't. They had to change their practices. However when election time came Ontarians felt that wasn't enough.

    The US audit did what it was supposed to do. Now the organization audited has to do what it is supposed to do, or face the consequences.


    I am point out the fact that the gun registry is also a government run IT system that was expected to cost $2 million that ended up coming in at over $1 billion and it hadn't even been finished. Again, your superficial grasp of the issues is in plain view when you don't understand the parallels to the private implementation of this other system as contracted to Accenture that has had a long proven record of large implementations as well. At least if they had written the contract properly they could have reclaimed some dollars from that firm whereas if you do it internally that's just not possible.

    As for HHS - you're right - under normal circumstances if an organization can't account for dollars people lose their jobs - especially if you're talking about amounts of $10 billion or more. But what are their consequences? And instead the federal government is about to radically ramp up their budget.

    As for discrepancies - I can guarantee that there are none at a bank where they are significant otherwise people go to jail (or quickly get fired) - having actually worked on an audit of a bank.

    And how does this concern someone who lives in Canada? And how did you ever hear of this rather convoluted issue, that you would post it here?

    Are you being provided this data? If not, why are you researching it in depth, as a Canadian?


    Feel free to follow the link and read the above.
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    riddler78 saidI am point out the fact that the gun registry is also a government run IT system that was expected to cost $2 million that ended up coming in at over $1 billion and it hadn't even been finished. Again, your superficial grasp of the issues is in plain view when you don't understand the parallels to the private implementation of this other system as contracted to Accenture that has had a long proven record of large implementations as well. At least if they had written the contract properly they could have reclaimed some dollars from that firm whereas if you do it internally that's just not possible.

    As for HHS - you're right - under normal circumstances if an organization can't account for dollars people lose their jobs - especially if you're talking about amounts of $10 billion or more. But what are their consequences? And instead the federal government is about to radically ramp up their budget.

    As for discrepancies - I can guarantee that there are none at a bank where they are significant otherwise people go to jail (or quickly get fired) - having actually worked on an audit of a bank.



    And how does this concern someone who lives in Canada? And how did you ever hear of this rather convoluted issue, that you would post it here?

    Are you being provided this data? If not, why are you researching it in depth, as a Canadian?


    "Colonel" Deco,

    This is the internet - people of all nations and religions are welcome to post. I know this goes against your usual feelings when it comes to people "not like you..."

    Art_Deco saidMuslims have no business being within 100 miles of the WTC. In fact, as avowed enemies of everything the US stands for, the vast majority proponents of our destruction as a Democratic nation, I don't think they should be in this country at all.


    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1087699/


    Wow - didn't realize he was such a bigot. He and Upper_Cdn must get along well.
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    Feb 09, 2012 11:48 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    riddler78 said
    southbeach1500 said
    Art_Deco said

    And how does this concern someone who lives in Canada? And how did you ever hear of this rather convoluted issue, that you would post it here?

    Are you being provided this data? If not, why are you researching it in depth, as a Canadian?


    "Colonel" Deco,

    This is the internet - people of all nations and religions are welcome to post. I know this goes against your usual feelings when it comes to people "not like you..."

    Art_Deco saidMuslims have no business being within 100 miles of the WTC. In fact, as avowed enemies of everything the US stands for, the vast majority proponents of our destruction as a Democratic nation, I don't think they should be in this country at all.


    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1087699/


    Wow - didn't realize he was such a bigot. He and Upper_Cdn must get along well.


    Yeah... but after the entire RJ membership came down on him, he said he was "sorry" and is assuming that makes it all better! icon_rolleyes.gif


    The RJ membership didn't bother coming down on Upper_Cdn - in fact his fellow Canadian leftists seem to have attempted to sidestep his bigotry entirely... while he laughably claims he will seek the leadership of the his provincial party. I hope he runs, but I expect that his posts will surface even in little PEI where his party only got 3% of the vote the last time.
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    Feb 10, 2012 12:59 AM GMT

    Riddler, post a link and I'll go look at it.

    As for Art, you should decide on truth rather than the lies and half truths that spill from SB.

    Here: http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1093473
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    Feb 13, 2012 5:29 AM GMT
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    Riddler, post a link and I'll go look at it.

    As for Art, you should decide on truth rather than the lies and half truths that spill from SB.

    Here: http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1093473


    I notice that bigot Upper_Cdn thinks that by hiding or deleting his account he can avoid being challenged by his participation on these boards but here's the link:

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/2071481/

    Here's his statement that even Christian acknowledged was racist: "I do believe, however, people like you instill racism in others by your behaviour."

    A statement that he not only acknowledges but proudly stands behind. So therefore I challenge you again here as I have previously on other topics where he has chosen to spew his bile to repudiate or agree with someone you have agreed often with here on these forums.