ChickenHawk: Men Who Love Boys

  • swimbikerun

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    Jun 29, 2008 3:59 PM GMT
    My never-ending quest to post the most controversial of topics.

    Do you consider NAMBLA to be part of the queer rainbow?



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    Jun 29, 2008 4:12 PM GMT
    while its clear that pederasty is a type of sexuality, epidemiology and science have shown its not a type of homosexuality. That is theres no connection between having a sexual attraction to little boys and having a sexual attraction to men.

    and its just obvious that the behaviour is not able to be anything more than rape of little children.
  • swimbikerun

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    Jun 29, 2008 4:15 PM GMT
    carthesis saidwhile its clear that pederasty is a type of sexuality, epidemiology and science have shown its not a type of homosexuality. That is theres no connection between having a sexual attraction to little boys and having a sexual attraction to men.

    and its just obvious that the behaviour is not able to be anything more than rape of little children.

    All of these guys want to have sex with boys which seems like homosexual behavior to me.
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    Jun 29, 2008 4:18 PM GMT
    I consider NAMBLA an embarrassment to the LGBT cause the same way I see the Christian Taliban as an embarrassment to the Republican party.
    They exist and we have to live with them.
  • inuman

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    Jun 29, 2008 4:31 PM GMT
    I don't think they should be included in the rainbow. I know a lot of people preach tolerance within the community but I just can't condone what they do to boys. I'm sure there are guys out there thankful that they had an older friend who showed them the ropes. Great glad you enjoyed it. Me I grew up knowing if an older man wanted to have sex with you, it's cause your a piece of meat, regardless of how much he wants to be your friend. In the end all they are looking for is to have sex with a child.

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    Jun 29, 2008 4:34 PM GMT
    [urlhttp://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/HTML/facts_molestation.html[/url]

    there. a guy loving a boy is not the same type of sexuality as normal homosexual love. All of the elements that would cue homosexual love are missing and the act is engaged by people who are heterosexual with people of their own age. read the link

    the fact that one of them said that the gay community needs molesters to recruit is a clear sign they don't understand what it means to be gay
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    Jun 29, 2008 4:47 PM GMT
    Are homosexual adults in general sexually attracted to children and are preadolescent children at greater risk of molestation from homosexual adults than from heterosexual adults? There is no reason to believe so. The research to date all points to there being no significant relationship between a homosexual lifestyle and child molestation. There appears to be practically no reportage of sexual molestation of girls by lesbian adults, and the adult male who sexually molests young boys is not likely to be homosexual (Groth & Gary, 1982, p. 147).
  • swimbikerun

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    Jun 29, 2008 4:57 PM GMT
    But carthesis isn't two males engaging in sex the very definition of homosexuality?
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    Jun 29, 2008 5:03 PM GMT
    depends on how you define homosexual.

    homosexual is usually to adult males having sex.
    adults who have sex with boys however maybe be heterosexual, bisexual, or homosexual in their choice of adult relationships.

    The state of mind that make us gay has nothing to do with the state of mind that makes someone a pedophile. they are two seperate issues in sexuality.

    it is possible to be straight and be a male-male pedophile
    it is possible to be gay and be a male-male pedophile

    and so forth, theres no statistically link between pedophilia and homosexuality in any way.

    sorry if im a bit harsh, i just had a class on all this. i like to kill controversies before they grow out of hand
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    Jun 29, 2008 5:11 PM GMT
    so, if a man and a male goat have sex is that act of beastiality considered part of homosexuality? Just because gender is an element does not mean that there is an association.
  • MikePhilPerez

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    Jun 29, 2008 5:21 PM GMT
    MunchingZombie saidso, if a man and a male goat have sex is that act of beastiality considered part of homosexuality? Just because gender is an element does not mean that there is an association.


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    Jun 29, 2008 5:23 PM GMT
    exactly, gender preference in pedophilia has nothing to do with gender preference in normal relationships and therefore male-male pedophilia shouldn't be taken as a sign of homosexuality
  • kew1

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    Jun 29, 2008 5:40 PM GMT
    MunchingZombie saidso, if a man and a male goat have sex is that act of beastiality considered part of homosexuality? Just because gender is an element does not mean that there is an association.


    No, the "Homo" in homosexuality means "the same" & comes from ancient Greek, not Latin which means human or man,
    see http://www.yourdictionary.com/library/homo.html

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    Jun 29, 2008 5:45 PM GMT
    don't get caught up in etymology or different semantics. its fairly simple, having sex with a little boy is just not sexualy gay.
  • swimbikerun

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    Jun 29, 2008 5:52 PM GMT
    kew1 said

    No, the "Homo" in homosexuality means "the same" & comes from ancient Greek, not Latin which means human or man,
    see http://www.yourdictionary.com/library/homo.html

    Excellent citation!
    carthesis most of the guys in that documentary seem to be homosexual. I don't get your view that these acts are not homosexual in their very nature.

    For me, a child's consent does not have the same weight as an adult's consent. This is why it wouldn't be fair to have a child enter into, say, a 100 year mortgage or consent to work in a hazardous environment or "consent" to have sex with an adult.
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    Jun 29, 2008 6:01 PM GMT
    Ok, put a group of pedophiles in the room. What do they all have in common? Is it that they all like children of the same gender? Nope. The common thread among pedophiles is the age of the victim. Just because NAMBLA is a group for men who love boys does not mean that they share much in common with other homosexuals.
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    Jun 29, 2008 6:01 PM GMT
    The ancient Greeks used to have sexual relations between men and boys and nobody seemed the worse for it. Could it be how the rest of society reacts?
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    Jun 29, 2008 6:09 PM GMT
    Caslon4000 saidThe ancient Greeks used to have sexual relations between men and boys and nobody seemed the worse for it. Could it be how the rest of society reacts?
    Yes but that was a long, long time ago in a galaxy far, far away!
    Slavery was also common in ancient times but that doesn't make it justifiable today.

    MunchingZombie I agree they don't share much, if anything with the larger gay community. But you might also say the same thing for the transgendered, ostracized as they often are or accepted only as the punchline to what many consider a joke of a lifestyle.
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    Jun 29, 2008 6:12 PM GMT
    swimbikerun said[quote][cite]Caslon4000 said[/cite]The ancient Greeks used to have sexual relations between men and boys and nobody seemed the worse for it. Could it be how the rest of society reacts?

    Yes but that was a long, long time ago in a galaxy far, far away!
    Slavery was also common in ancient times but that doesn't make it justifiable today.


    1) What does the time difference have to do with anything? We are the same humans they were.

    2) Talk about apples and oranges! What does slavery have to do with men and boys in a relationship?

    Is a kind, gentle, loving, nurturing pedophilia ipso facto harmful, or is it the situation and reaction created by society's attitudes that create the harm?



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    Jun 29, 2008 6:31 PM GMT
    Semantics.

    Just because they fit under the description of people engaging in sexual acts with the same sex means we have to treat them as part of the GLBT banner?

    Heck no.

    The guy who molested me was straight. the psychology of being attracted to a boy is vastly different from the psychology of being attracted a person of the same sex.

    oh, and the Greeks practiced pederasty not pedophilia. Pederasty involved youth in their teens, not children.
  • swimbikerun

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    Jun 29, 2008 6:49 PM GMT
    Caslon4000 said

    1) What does the time difference have to do with anything? We are the same humans they were.

    2) Talk about apples and oranges! What does slavery have to do with men and boys in a relationship?


    Caslon I think the main difference is that our current society recognizes the individual and that that individual has rights that trump societal needs.



    Caslon4000 said
    Is a kind, gentle, loving, nurturing pedophilia ipso facto harmful, or is it the situation and reaction created by society's attitudes that create the harm?



    That would make a great-shirt! How long could I wear it before being attacked? lol

    Sedative just keep in mind:

    • they engage in homoseuxal acts, I'm sure many of them would admit it
    • many consider this kind of thing morally objectionable, just like homosexuality and that homosexuality itself was once and still is in many places illegal.
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    Jun 29, 2008 7:19 PM GMT
    swimbikerun said

    Sedative just keep in mind:


    • they engage in homoseuxal acts, I'm sure many of them would admit it.

      Which is the same as saying that just because bats can fly, they are birds too.

    • many consider this kind of thing morally objectionable, just like homosexuality and that homosexuality itself was once and still is in many places illegal.

      It is morally objectionable because of the malleability of a child's psyche, not solely because other people disapprove of the behavior. The moral objection has grounds, unlike that of mere homosexuality. What happens in childhood has far-reaching consequences into adulthood. A pedophiliac relationship is selfish in favor to the adult participant. It is not love if one of them has no idea what sexual love is.


    Yes, I concede that they engage in homosexual acts, again mere semantics, but that doesn't get NAMBLA the right to be part of the GLBT umbrella.

    There is a reason why we have a legal age of minority, after all.
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    Jun 29, 2008 9:17 PM GMT
    kew1 saidNo, the "Homo" in homosexuality means "the same" & comes from ancient Greek, not Latin which means human or man,
    see http://www.yourdictionary.com/library/homo.html



    Well, before the en vogue term was homosexual it used to be homophile. Homophile is semantically different from pedophile.

    The argument so far has focused exclusively on pedophiles who rape children of the same sex, a minority of pedophiles. NAMBLA doesn't get a seat at the table just because they are men who rape boys.
  • swimbikerun

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    Jun 29, 2008 9:41 PM GMT
    MunchingZombie saidNAMBLA doesn't get a seat at the table just because they are men who rape boys.


    But Clason has already stated that this pedophilia would be of the "kind, gentle, loving, nurturing" nature. Doesn't this make a difference?

    Seriously though, you make a persuasive argument MunchingZombie. Rape might be strong word but even child's consent does not make the act morally just.
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    Jun 29, 2008 11:09 PM GMT
    It is my opinion that NAMBLA has got to be one of the most disgusting organizations that I've ever heard of.

    Unfortunately, it is because of groups like this that so many see gay men as perverts and child molesters. It's why many straight couples won't allow their children to play in the homes of other children who have gay parents.