New Libyan leadership takes harsh stance at UN against gays

  • nvaguy69

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    Feb 15, 2012 4:01 AM GMT
    This is no surprise...

    A U.N. delegate from Libya’s newly formed government told a human rights panel that gays and other groups threaten “reproduction of the human race,” drawing a stern rebuke from leaders of the international body. The representative told a panel discussing violence based on sexual orientation that lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender, or LGBT, topics "affect religion and the continuation and reproduction of the human race.”

    The remarks, reported by Geneva-based U.N. Watch, came just months after the North African nation’s membership was restored to the U.N. Human Rights Council. The reinstatement came amid assurances that the new government that supplanted the brutal regime of Muammar Qaddafi would not brook human rights violations.

    Council Chair Laura Dupuy Lasserre replied that "the Human Rights Council is here to defend human rights and prevent discrimination." The Libyan outburst prompted questions by human rights activists about Libya's reinstatement on the council. Under Qaddafi, gay men and women were subject to flogging and imprisonment during his regime, according to human rights advocates.

    The harsh stance has some wondering if the new government ushered in by the so-called Arab Spring is any more tolerant than its predecessor. Ummm, duh...

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    Feb 15, 2012 6:00 AM GMT
    goddam religion
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    Feb 15, 2012 6:52 AM GMT
    its mostly religious rebel groups in charge in Libya now.. linked to Al-Qaeada, that the west put in power.. just like in Afghanistan..
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    Feb 15, 2012 7:08 AM GMT
    nvaguy69 saidThis is no surprise...

    A U.N. delegate from Libya’s newly formed government told a human rights panel that gays and other groups threaten “reproduction of the human race,” drawing a stern rebuke from leaders of the international body. The representative told a panel discussing violence based on sexual orientation that lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender, or LGBT, topics "affect religion and the continuation and reproduction of the human race.”


    Because the world really needs more people.
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    Feb 15, 2012 7:17 AM GMT
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    nvaguy69 saidThis is no surprise...

    A U.N. delegate from Libya’s newly formed government told a human rights panel that gays and other groups threaten “reproduction of the human race,” drawing a stern rebuke from leaders of the international body. The representative told a panel discussing violence based on sexual orientation that lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender, or LGBT, topics "affect religion and the continuation and reproduction of the human race.”


    Because the world really needs more people.


    SNAP! ;)
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    Feb 15, 2012 7:20 AM GMT
    GreenHopper said its mostly religious rebel groups in charge in Libya now.. linked to Al-Qaeada, that the west put in power.. just like in Afghanistan..


    Oh and don't forget, we were funding, arming, training, supporting, and otherwise carpet bombing the way for them in as they also were committing horrific crimes of ethnic cleansing against Libya's black population.

    So, we fund, train, and arm al-Qaeda linked racist militant groups who commit (with our approval) crimes against humanity in seeking to ethnically cleanse a North African nation of its black population... This is what we call "humanitarian intervention."

    Oh, and just a side note for the history books, all the excuses and reasons for the intervention - all the "horrific crimes" undertaken by Gaddafi (who was no saint), turned out to be lies, according to several human rights organizations that were on the ground investigating the claims.

    The lies included:
    - massacring civilians (it turned out that over 100 people were killed, a few of which were government soldiers, meaning that both sides were armed), but a far cry from the reports of "massacres" and "genocide" that we were being told
    - Gaddafi handing out viagra to encourage rape
    - using helicopters and jets to bomb his own people (even the Pentagon admitted this was false as it was being reported)
    - a massacre about to be launched on Beghazi (when the tanks were bombed by NATO, they had been in retreat)
    - the use of African mercenaries (these were just migrant workers that the "rebels" kidnapped and paraded in front of western journalists calling them mercenaries, with the lucky ones being freed after, and the not so lucky ones being lynched)

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/amnesty-questions-claim-that-gaddafi-ordered-rape-as-weapon-of-war-2302037.html

    Libya was not the product of the "Arab Spring", but was an imperial war of aggression designed to remove a long-time thorn in the side of Western interests. Naturally, Gaddafi was no great guy, totally corrupt, brutal, a dictator... though, compared to the dictators the West supports more actively, he was like Gandhi. His biggest threat was in supporting Pan-Africanism, in promoting the idea of an African Monetary Fund providing low interest loans to make the IMF irrelevant in Africa, which is the major source of economic stranglehold and imperialism on the continent... so of course, he had to go. Up until the end, there was massive support for Gaddafi among his people, and over a million people protested in Tripoli against the NATO bombings (but this was not reported in our media, which propagated the lie that the tiny rebel minority was a "democratic uprising" and "majority").

    But again, this is just our benevolent intentions in action... seeking to support and spread democracy... after we've finished ethnically cleansing the population and supporting genocide, oh, and not to mention, bombing them to save them... from lies we started and spread.

    Ah, it's great to be a ruthless empire of terror.
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    Feb 15, 2012 7:25 AM GMT
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    nvaguy69 saidThis is no surprise...

    A U.N. delegate from Libya’s newly formed government told a human rights panel that gays and other groups threaten “reproduction of the human race,” drawing a stern rebuke from leaders of the international body. The representative told a panel discussing violence based on sexual orientation that lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender, or LGBT, topics "affect religion and the continuation and reproduction of the human race.”


    Because the world really needs more people.



    Exactly! I like the theory that homosexuality is a natural function of biology aimed at population control.
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    Feb 15, 2012 7:31 AM GMT
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    GreenHopper said its mostly religious rebel groups in charge in Libya now.. linked to Al-Qaeada, that the west put in power.. just like in Afghanistan..


    detailed account. of western intervention and propaganda


    Wait wait, i have heard a good bit about this and similar things about iraq and Afghanistan... but what was the motive for all of this?? what were they seeking in Libya?
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    Feb 15, 2012 7:32 AM GMT
    MeOhMy said

    Ah, it's great to be a ruthless empire of terror.


    *shudder*
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    Feb 15, 2012 7:45 AM GMT
    GreenHopper said
    MeOhMy said
    GreenHopper said its mostly religious rebel groups in charge in Libya now.. linked to Al-Qaeada, that the west put in power.. just like in Afghanistan..


    detailed account. of western intervention and propaganda


    Wait wait, i have heard a good bit about this and similar things about iraq and Afghanistan... but what was the motive for all of this?? what were they seeking in Libya?


    Regime change.
    Mission accomplished.

    Unfettered access to the largest oil reserves in Africa.
    Mission accomplished.

    Gaddafi had become a problem for Western oil companies, demanding a larger share of profits, and only let them in following the Iraq war when Libya appeared on a list of seven countries in five years the U.S. wanted to invade or undertake regime change in: Iraq, Libya, Syria, Lebanon, Somalia, and Sudan (all of which, it should be noted, have now had - since 2003 - some form of war, intervention, or regime change with support from the U.S.).
    http://www.salon.com/2007/10/12/wesley_clark/

    Libya represented an ideological threat: promotion of pan-Africanism (you don't want your client regimes and imperial possessions to unite in ideology and liberation, the imperial writ is divide and conquer); it represented a strategic threat (it was the biggest opponent in the Arab world of the staunch U.S. allies, the ruthless dictatorships of Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and the other Gulf monarchies); it was an economic threat (through its promotion of an African development bank which would remove the IMF and World Bank noose from Africa); and it is an economic prize (most oil reserves in Africa, from which the US expects to receive an equal amount of oil from by the end of the decade as it gets from the Middle East). And there is also the historical fact that Gaddafi simply (until 2003) was always an opponent of American and Western imperialism, and had kicked out western interests from Libya, which is, in imperial eyes, unforgivable.

    They saw their opportunity, and they took it.

    Mission accomplished.
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    Feb 15, 2012 7:59 AM GMT
    MeOhMy said
    GreenHopper said
    MeOhMy said
    GreenHopper said its mostly religious rebel groups in charge in Libya now.. linked to Al-Qaeada, that the west put in power.. just like in Afghanistan..


    detailed account. of western intervention and propaganda


    Wait wait, i have heard a good bit about this and similar things about iraq and Afghanistan... but what was the motive for all of this?? what were they seeking in Libya?


    Regime change.
    Mission accomplished.


    Yeah, but why?


    Unfettered access to the largest oil reserves in Africa. etc...


    Oh icon_confused.gif

    *sigh* what else is new eh? the world is run by psychopaths....

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    Feb 15, 2012 8:32 AM GMT
    I'm all for less human reproduction. I deem over-population as one of the biggest threats that we as mankind face today.

    Plus, human reproduction leads to creating more gay people so it's pretty counterproductive to say we need more reproduction BUT less homosexuals.
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    Feb 15, 2012 11:28 AM GMT
    Way to thank the hot gay pilot that dropped bombs to help their assess out. Fuckers go figure.
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    Feb 15, 2012 11:34 AM GMT
    Yes, those forward thinking Libyans. Since the human race is OBVIOUSLY dangerously teetering on the brink of extinction due to lack of reproduction. THOSE DAMNED GAYS!!
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    Feb 15, 2012 12:21 PM GMT
    notwendig72 saidgoddam religion
    + 1 billion.
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    Feb 15, 2012 3:48 PM GMT
    MeOhMy said
    GreenHopper said its mostly religious rebel groups in charge in Libya now.. linked to Al-Qaeada, that the west put in power.. just like in Afghanistan..

    (but this was not reported in our media, which propagated the lie that the tiny rebel minority was a "democratic uprising" and "majority").Ah, it's great to be a ruthless empire of terror.


    The NATO powers were all talking lies as they continue to do in Afganistan about supporting democracy and the majority instead of the truth which is to support the world corporations make more money.

    The Obama admin is no better than Bush when it comes to this farce. Where there is Sharia law, there can be no democracy. Have we not seen enough Iran like countries created. The crazy leadership in Egypt is now supporting a pogrom against the Christian minority there. The next country to fall to these fanatics is Syria.
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    Feb 15, 2012 4:13 PM GMT
    lol I would think the number of straight people that don't go on to have kids vastly outnumber the entire number of gay people on the planet.

    So....is the new Libyan gov't going to legislate forced baby-making marriages on all single straight people?

    -Doug
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    notwendig72 saidgoddam religion
    + 1 billion.
    +infinity
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    Feb 15, 2012 4:18 PM GMT
    Have to admit that I have some LULZ at the folks (here on RJ and elsewhere) who thought that the Arab Spring was all about ushering in a bright new era of democracy where a nation of folks bound to a religion largely unchanged from its principles and biases since the 7th century CE would suddenly make the giant leap to Western style self-government.

    Aber natürlich, the "popularly elected" Islamist militias are more than keen to string their LGBTQ fellow citizens up from the nearest bridge or light post.
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    Feb 15, 2012 4:24 PM GMT
    Thank you President Obama for being compelled to overthrow the previous opressive regime and spending billions we didnt have to accomplish it.
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    Feb 15, 2012 4:28 PM GMT
    The impending global famine caused by a limited number of proprietary GMO crops failing will do wonders to reduce the human population by a good 70-80%.

    And the high cost of heritage seed stock at that time (which will be a black market, contraband item outside of government control - i.e. Monsanto, who has seeded the FDA and the Justice Dept with its minions) will ensure deep poverty for generations to come for all but the top 1%ers.

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    Feb 15, 2012 6:23 PM GMT
    AlphaTrigger saidThe impending global famine caused by a limited number of proprietary GMO crops failing will do wonders to reduce the human population by a good 70-80%.

    And the high cost of heritage seed stock at that time (which will be a black market, contraband item outside of government control - i.e. Monsanto, who has seeded the FDA and the Justice Dept with its minions) will ensure deep poverty for generations to come for all but the top 1%ers.

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    O god, dont get me started on that :/ *sigh*
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    Feb 15, 2012 7:27 PM GMT
    AlphaTrigger saidHave to admit that I have some LULZ at the folks (here on RJ and elsewhere) who thought that the Arab Spring was all about ushering in a bright new era of democracy where a nation of folks bound to a religion largely unchanged from its principles and biases since the 7th century CE would suddenly make the giant leap to Western style self-government.


    Alpha, you know I like you, but this comes across as pure ignorant drivel, somehow infused in your mind by a society which has deemed Muslims to be the evil boogeymen of the world. The Arab Spring is about self determination and liberation from domination, which includes significant democratic voices and demands (which come more from the labour activists, not the militant terrorists who we support). Self determination is that small little thing that we have denied the Arab world a right to over the past century, so that we could dominate them and exploit their resources.

    Every time an attempt was made, we called it communism, and then destroyed it. Or since the Cold War farce of history ended, we just call it "Islamism", or terrorism, or whatever other crap we want to call it to then go ahead and continue being the biggest terrorist state on earth (the United States), or one of its willing terrorist co-sponsors (the West).

    I think it would be awful if they went for Western style democracy, because western style democracy is not authentic democracy, it's oligarchy with the absurd little facade of a democratic system. The Arab world deserves authentic democracy, and there is nothing in their culture that could prevent democracy from existing, save to say that we could, have, can, and will prevent it, even if it means bombing them to "save them" from self-determination. Of course, we go on to express absolute fear over the inevitable end of the world if Islamist parties or ideas gain power in democratic systems in these countries (of course, managing to ignore how the West actively and decidedly switched to support for radical islamist factions in the late 50s onward in order to prevent the spread of non-aligned "radical nationalist" regimes like Nasser in Egypt)... and frankly, it's just a regurgitation of old Orientalist racist imperial bullshit.

    So terrified of having to face the consequences of our own actions, and thus, we simply think it just to undertake more actions with worse consequences. We are also only able to do so if we completely ignore history, because we dont come out looking like good guys, and we are able to remain absurdly ignorant.

    Alpha, I may be a bit harsh here, but I am SO tired of seeing/reading/hearing or even pretending that the idea is legitimate to simply throw Islam into one category, as if it has been an unchanged historical process, and its people have always adhered to it in the same, unchanging fashion that we are propagandized to believe today.

    It sounds as if you read Bernard Lewis for your history of the Middle East, and for people who aren't British intelligence agents, rabid imperialists, and racists, Bernard Lewis is seen as an absolute moron, though a dangerous one, because policy makers and the public read his lies and Orientalist drivel. But it truly sounds as if you read him or Samuel Huntington, another horrific individual without a clue, but with a great deal of power and influence. Please, PLEASE, if you are interested in the subject, read books that are legitimately historical, written to educate and inform, not indoctrinate and justify Western imperial domination (which is the point of Orientalist discourse such as that you unknowingly espouse).

    Framing Muslims as "the Other" ignores the entire history of that part of the world and our interaction with it from the West. Always viewing them as enemies of so-called "Western Civilization," when, while the West was for hundreds of years immersed in the "Dark ages", it was the middle east that kept alive the Greek and Roman histories and philosophers and texts. It was the Middle East that gave us arithmetic, paper, other sciences and advances, much of which came out of Babylon, that city we knowingly destroyed, plunged into civil war, looted, and plundered, which we call Baghdad.

    Who, really, is civilized here?

    I'm just so sick and tired of all these worn-out, torn-down racist-imperialist Orientalist bull shit ignorant ideas, which, I know you don't intend as such, but that's where those ideas come from: rabid, racist imperialists.

    Would you quote Hitler on the history of Jews? Bernard Lewis is not a good source on the history of the Middle East, nor are his loyal proudly absurd followers.
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    Feb 15, 2012 7:29 PM GMT
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    I'm just so sick and tired of all these worn-out, torn-down racist-imperialist Orientalist bull shit ignorant ideas,


    I hear that... lol
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    Feb 15, 2012 7:30 PM GMT
    I miss the days when people in the US used to look at the middle east as where "aladdin" happened and when I went over there I 'looked like Aladdin"... nowadays, I go there and I "look like a terrorist" hihihi