Angry Vegetarian

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    Feb 15, 2012 5:27 AM GMT
    Honestly I try so hard not to be a preachy vegetarian. I don't think it's my place to tell people what they can and can't eat but people really piss me off. Like I don't eat meat because I personally am not okay with an animal dying when I can sustain myself without their sacrifice. Almost everyone can do the same thing. Most people choose not too. That's not what I have a problem with. It doesn't bother me that people eat meat. What bothers me is how people ignore where their food comes from. Most people don't hunt and kill for their meat so their mind doesn't think about what it took to get the greasy hamburger in their burgeoning stomach. I think this is beyond disrespectful and it makes me furious. People forget that a living being dies for the food because they don't have the guts to kill the animal themselves. I was having dinner with my mom and she ordered a hamburger and I jokingly asked her if their was any blood left in her burger and she said I was "disgusting" to say that while she was eating. That made me angry so I continued to try and remind her of the cow that died that provided the food for her eat. She was visibly uncomfortable with the idea of it and almost stopped eating. What I don't understand is if she is so uncomfortable with the thoughts and images I placed in her head, WHY THE HELL DOES SHE EAT MEAT. It just baffles me. If she had to actually kill a cow to eat a hamburger she would not do it. So why does she get to zone out during dinner time while she stuffs her face with a dead animal? Why do people think it's "cruel" to eat dogs and cats but not pigs and cows? It makes no sense to me. Ridiculous.

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    Feb 15, 2012 10:51 AM GMT
    That's nice that your a vegetarian.

    I'm glad it was your choice to become a vegetarian.

    It makes me happy that you can exercise your choice to eat what you feel is appropriate for your self based upon your own beliefs.

    Now, to answer your question, I'm going to give you a simple answer.

    Fuck off and stop trying to make omnivores adhere to your standards of what you think is right.

    Why?

    You made your choice, you educated yourself. How you did that is not insignificant.

    What you don't have a right to do is force that education onto another person to forcefully stop them from eating meat.

    However, if someone comes to you an asks you to tell them what happens to animals you may of course use all the bullshit arguments you have to turn them off meat.



    And before you try and say that I don't care about the life of the animal I'm eating (and if it's beef, it's incredibly rare) I buy ALL of my meat from farms that have organically grown free range animals, including, cows, sheep, ducks, chicken, Rabbit and a few other things and I purchase that meat because I want to eat animals that 1, tastes amazing and 2 have had the best life they can have before slaughter.

    Also, I've slaughtered a cow, a pig, dozens of chickens, 3 rabbits, a duck and most recently a kangaroo, that was an interesting experience shooting it.

    Just covering my bases here because I know what you vegetarians are like.
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    Feb 15, 2012 11:56 AM GMT
    Keep in mind that in most cases when you want to persuade someone of something, getting angry gets in the way.

    Persuasion works best when you can see something from another person's perspective and then find a way to make your own position attractive based on mutual similarities.

    Challenging someone, even in a light-hearted way, as they're enjoying their meal, is probably going to provoke them. If you really have a serious point to make, try it when your mom is likely to be receptive.

    Otherwise she's likely to start chasing you around with a package of bacon.
  • mikey_101

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    Feb 15, 2012 12:59 PM GMT
    I'm vegetarian also, but its my choice - I dont tell people why I'm vegetarian, I wait and if they ask, I will tell them.

    If they dont ask, I dont tell them.

    Its almost like sexuality - I dont force mine down anyones throat..... they cant tell just by looking at me, and I dont force the issue.

    If anyone asks, I'm happy to tell them.



    OP - do you eat dairy?

    I do, but its hard to justify if you take logic to the n-th degree...... mamals only produce milk once they have concieved........ by the law of averages, its 50% male/female.

    Those male animals are slaughtered to justify the dairy industry.

    Just a thought.
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    Feb 15, 2012 1:06 PM GMT
    Have you ever cooked your mother a veggie burger? That might be what a Cheerful, Loving Vegetarian would do for his burger-loving mom.
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    Feb 15, 2012 2:07 PM GMT
    Caius saidHonestly I try so hard not to be a preachy vegetarian. I don't think it's my place to tell people what they can and can't eat but people really piss me off. Like I don't eat meat because I personally am not okay with an animal dying when I can sustain myself without their sacrifice.
    Plants are living beings, too. Would you like it if someone killed your house plants?

    Either way you look at it, you're killing something when you eat.
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    Feb 15, 2012 3:36 PM GMT
    It is true that it's a double-standard for people to think that it's "okay" to kill certain animals to eat and "not okay" to kill others.

    It's funny that you can slit the throats of chickens and pigs and cows and let them suffer and die but when someone hurts a dog or a cat they can face charges.

    I guess it's just because our society arbitrarily says one thing is okay and the other isn't.

    Personally I'm a vegan and almost exclusively for health reasons and don't have a problem with anyone eating meat in front of me, but it does make me sad that so many animals have to be killed to please man.

    At least I'm doing my part for the planet and environment without imposing that on anyone else.
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    Feb 15, 2012 3:36 PM GMT
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    Caius saidHonestly I try so hard not to be a preachy vegetarian. I don't think it's my place to tell people what they can and can't eat but people really piss me off. Like I don't eat meat because I personally am not okay with an animal dying when I can sustain myself without their sacrifice.
    Plants are living beings, too. Would you like it if someone killed your house plants?

    Either way you look at it, you're killing something when you eat.


    Plants don't have the 5 senses. They aren't "alive" in that sense.
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    Feb 15, 2012 3:57 PM GMT
    If our species wasn't meant to eat meat, we wouldn't have the enzymes to digest it. Either that or meat would make us very ill. Besides, there are numerous indigenous populations near the Arctic where vegetation is minimal, so their diet consists almost entirely of meat. They seem to get by just fine for their environment.

    No one said animal slaughtering was a pretty sight. Though yes, I would tend to agree that not having to kill animals ourselves allows us to eat meat without any thought.

    Oddly enough, this whole thread makes me think Thanksgiving should really be a day to be thankful everyone in the farm and food industry for working their asses off to produce the food we want to eat.
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    Feb 15, 2012 4:12 PM GMT
    Every time I see a feed lot on Dateline or 20/20 All I can think is MMMMM STEAKS.
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    Feb 15, 2012 4:18 PM GMT
    pocketnico saidIf our species wasn't meant to eat meat, we wouldn't have the enzymes to digest it. Either that or meat would make us very ill. Besides, there are numerous indigenous populations near the Arctic where vegetation is minimal, so their diet consists almost entirely of meat. They seem to get by just fine for their environment.

    No one said animal slaughtering was a pretty sight. Though yes, I would tend to agree that not having to kill animals ourselves allows us to eat meat without any thought.

    Oddly enough, this whole thread makes me think Thanksgiving should really be a day to be thankful everyone in the farm and food industry for working their asses off to produce the food we want to eat.


    I suppose our species was MEANT to eat large amounts of sugar and junkfood and trans fats too, because even though it isn't healthy for us, we have the ability to digest it! icon_wink.gif
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    Feb 15, 2012 4:29 PM GMT
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    pocketnico saidIf our species wasn't meant to eat meat, we wouldn't have the enzymes to digest it. Either that or meat would make us very ill. Besides, there are numerous indigenous populations near the Arctic where vegetation is minimal, so their diet consists almost entirely of meat. They seem to get by just fine for their environment.

    No one said animal slaughtering was a pretty sight. Though yes, I would tend to agree that not having to kill animals ourselves allows us to eat meat without any thought.

    Oddly enough, this whole thread makes me think Thanksgiving should really be a day to be thankful everyone in the farm and food industry for working their asses off to produce the food we want to eat.


    I suppose our species was MEANT to eat large amounts of sugar and junkfood and trans fats too, because even though it isn't healthy for us, we have the ability to digest it! icon_wink.gif


    LOL! Well, that's why humans in industrialized countries die mainly from diseases as a result of lifestyle choices.
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    Feb 15, 2012 4:56 PM GMT
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    paulflexes said
    Caius saidHonestly I try so hard not to be a preachy vegetarian. I don't think it's my place to tell people what they can and can't eat but people really piss me off. Like I don't eat meat because I personally am not okay with an animal dying when I can sustain myself without their sacrifice.
    Plants are living beings, too. Would you like it if someone killed your house plants?

    Either way you look at it, you're killing something when you eat.


    Plants don't have the 5 senses. They aren't "alive" in that sense.
    With that logic, a person who is blind, deaf, mute, numb/paralyzed, lacks the sense of smell (usually due to cold or allergies), or any combination of those, can be killed and eaten because they're not "alive" like "normal" people.
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    Feb 15, 2012 5:13 PM GMT
    pocketnico saidIf our species wasn't meant to eat meat, we wouldn't have the enzymes to digest it. Either that or meat would make us very ill. Besides, there are numerous indigenous populations near the Arctic where vegetation is minimal, so their diet consists almost entirely of meat. They seem to get by just fine for their environment.

    No one said animal slaughtering was a pretty sight. Though yes, I would tend to agree that not having to kill animals ourselves allows us to eat meat without any thought.

    Oddly enough, this whole thread makes me think Thanksgiving should really be a day to be thankful everyone in the farm and food industry for working their asses off to produce the food we want to eat.


    Smile in the mirror and look at your teeth. Why do you have to scorch the meat at 400 degrees before your body can take it? Doesn't sound natural to me. Humans didn't always have fire.
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    Feb 15, 2012 5:20 PM GMT
    Caius said
    pocketnico saidIf our species wasn't meant to eat meat, we wouldn't have the enzymes to digest it. Either that or meat would make us very ill. Besides, there are numerous indigenous populations near the Arctic where vegetation is minimal, so their diet consists almost entirely of meat. They seem to get by just fine for their environment.

    No one said animal slaughtering was a pretty sight. Though yes, I would tend to agree that not having to kill animals ourselves allows us to eat meat without any thought.

    Oddly enough, this whole thread makes me think Thanksgiving should really be a day to be thankful everyone in the farm and food industry for working their asses off to produce the food we want to eat.


    Smile in the mirror and look at your teeth. Why do you have to scorch the meat at 400 degrees before your body can take it? Doesn't sound natural to me. Humans didn't always have fire.


    We've evolved that way...we still have the necessary teeth to eat both meat and plants. As human ancestors became less violent and territorial, as well as our developing of cooking food, we began to lose a lot of the teeth necessary to both fight with our mouths and eat raw meat. We also don't have the teeth or digestive tract necessary to eat many plant products...Why? Because we evolved eating certain plants and animals. We also can't digest many plant products - again, because we didn't evolve with either the necessary enzymes or the bacterial flora of our digestive tract to eat either. Also, we evolved with being omnivores in mind. Today, it's possible to be vegetarian as you can indulge in fruits, vegetables, and other products that are grown all over the world. In the past, one was limited to what was able to be grown in that particular area. Many diets would have been horribly lacking in various nutrients had they removed either plants or animals from their diet.

    We are meant to be omnivores - that's how we evolved. We evolved with the capability to eat some of everything.

    If you choose, based off of moral beliefs, to eat only plant products - more power to you. However, to bring evolution into this argument is incorrect.

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    Feb 15, 2012 5:20 PM GMT
    Caius said
    pocketnico saidIf our species wasn't meant to eat meat, we wouldn't have the enzymes to digest it. Either that or meat would make us very ill. Besides, there are numerous indigenous populations near the Arctic where vegetation is minimal, so their diet consists almost entirely of meat. They seem to get by just fine for their environment.

    No one said animal slaughtering was a pretty sight. Though yes, I would tend to agree that not having to kill animals ourselves allows us to eat meat without any thought.

    Oddly enough, this whole thread makes me think Thanksgiving should really be a day to be thankful everyone in the farm and food industry for working their asses off to produce the food we want to eat.


    Smile in the mirror and look at your teeth. Why do you have to scorch the meat at 400 degrees before your body can take it? Doesn't sound natural to me. Humans didn't always have fire.
    The lifespan of humans before inventing a way to make and control fire was less than 30 years.

    All meats CAN be eaten raw if they have no malicious parasites or bacteria in them.

    All vegetables have the same chance - if not higher - of having malicious parasites or bacteria that and can kill you if they're not cooked.

    Your argument is invalid.

    Edit: And, you're typing this stuff on an unnatural device that uses fire (electricity).
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    Feb 15, 2012 5:23 PM GMT
    Caius saidSmile in the mirror and look at your teeth. Why do you have to scorch the meat at 400 degrees before your body can take it? Doesn't sound natural to me. Humans didn't always have fire.


    It's been suggested that controlled use of fire possibly predates modern Homo sapiens. There are indications that ancestral Homo species figured out the wonders of fire before humans (e.g. dated ashes suggesting controlled brush fires and such).

    More than likely cooking began as an accident or an experiment. Sure, you can eat raw meat as long as there aren't any harmful bacteria. You can accomplish that by eating the animal on the spot as soon as you kill it.
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    Feb 15, 2012 5:23 PM GMT
    paulflexes said
    Caius said
    pocketnico saidIf our species wasn't meant to eat meat, we wouldn't have the enzymes to digest it. Either that or meat would make us very ill. Besides, there are numerous indigenous populations near the Arctic where vegetation is minimal, so their diet consists almost entirely of meat. They seem to get by just fine for their environment.

    No one said animal slaughtering was a pretty sight. Though yes, I would tend to agree that not having to kill animals ourselves allows us to eat meat without any thought.

    Oddly enough, this whole thread makes me think Thanksgiving should really be a day to be thankful everyone in the farm and food industry for working their asses off to produce the food we want to eat.


    Smile in the mirror and look at your teeth. Why do you have to scorch the meat at 400 degrees before your body can take it? Doesn't sound natural to me. Humans didn't always have fire.
    The lifespan of humans before inventing a way to make and control fire was less than 30 years.

    All meats CAN be eaten raw if they have no malicious parasites or bacteria in them.

    All vegetables have the same chance - if not higher - of having malicious parasites or bacteria that and can kill you if they're not cooked.

    Your argument is invalid.

    Edit: And, you're typing this stuff on an unnatural device that uses fire (electricity).


    Ditto...Also, our digestive tract and bacterial flora have changed with time. Same with our immune system. Also...I do love me some sushi... Raw beef cut thin is also mouthwateringly good and I've never been ill off it..
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    Feb 15, 2012 5:28 PM GMT
    nanidesukedo said
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    pocketnico saidIf our species wasn't meant to eat meat, we wouldn't have the enzymes to digest it. Either that or meat would make us very ill. Besides, there are numerous indigenous populations near the Arctic where vegetation is minimal, so their diet consists almost entirely of meat. They seem to get by just fine for their environment.

    No one said animal slaughtering was a pretty sight. Though yes, I would tend to agree that not having to kill animals ourselves allows us to eat meat without any thought.

    Oddly enough, this whole thread makes me think Thanksgiving should really be a day to be thankful everyone in the farm and food industry for working their asses off to produce the food we want to eat.


    Smile in the mirror and look at your teeth. Why do you have to scorch the meat at 400 degrees before your body can take it? Doesn't sound natural to me. Humans didn't always have fire.
    The lifespan of humans before inventing a way to make and control fire was less than 30 years.

    All meats CAN be eaten raw if they have no malicious parasites or bacteria in them.

    All vegetables have the same chance - if not higher - of having malicious parasites or bacteria that and can kill you if they're not cooked.

    Your argument is invalid.

    Edit: And, you're typing this stuff on an unnatural device that uses fire (electricity).


    Ditto...Also, our digestive tract and bacterial flora have changed with time. Same with our immune system. Also...I do love me some sushi... Raw beef cut thin is also mouthwateringly good and I've never been ill off it..
    Sushi is my meat of choice...even over a mouthwatering Ribeye.
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    Feb 15, 2012 8:31 PM GMT
    Caius saidSmile in the mirror and look at your teeth. Why do you have to scorch the meat at 400 degrees before your body can take it? Doesn't sound natural to me. Humans didn't always have fire.

    Cooking doesn't always make meat easier to eat nor digest. With a lot of vegetables that's a whole different story.

    You can eat meat raw just fine and it's really quite tasty actually having tried many animals raw. Although Kangaroo and Rabbit are really odd and kangaroo is a bit chewy.

    Cooking kills bacteria on the outer surface of meat that has been stored.
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    Feb 15, 2012 9:12 PM GMT
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    Caius saidHonestly I try so hard not to be a preachy vegetarian. I don't think it's my place to tell people what they can and can't eat but people really piss me off. Like I don't eat meat because I personally am not okay with an animal dying when I can sustain myself without their sacrifice.
    Plants are living beings, too. Would you like it if someone killed your house plants?

    Either way you look at it, you're killing something when you eat.


    Plants don't have the 5 senses. They aren't "alive" in that sense.
    With that logic, a person who is blind, deaf, mute, numb/paralyzed, lacks the sense of smell (usually due to cold or allergies), or any combination of those, can be killed and eaten because they're not "alive" like "normal" people.


    Find me a historical record of some person in history like that and we can start debating it.
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    Feb 15, 2012 9:18 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie saidFind me a historical record of some person in history like that and we can start debating it.

    Lets feed you someone who is brain dead and kept alive via life support
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    Feb 15, 2012 9:19 PM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle saidI tried becoming vegetarian but it doesn't work for me. I become weak and dizzy and anemic. The anemic part can be handled with iron supplementation but there really is no way for me to get the nutrition I get from meat from plant sources.

    I wish there were a way to exist without having to kill an animal. I don't like it but I can't escape it either.


    You just didn't know what you were doing or how to do it. I've actually been vegan (so no milk cheese or eggs either) my entire life and I have no dizziness or any such sensations. I would be dead or extremely unhealthy if there was "no other way to get nutrition from meat" as you ignorantly suggest. I happen to be in perfect health.

    Protein is rarely an issue for vegetarians, especially if you are eating beans and rice (perfect protein) or bean protein meat substitutes or tofu. Chickpeans or felafels made from chickpeas are also extremely high in protein.

    It's important for everyone to supplement but vegetarians and vegans just need to make sure they are getting plenty of vitamin D and B12, and that's basically it. It's not complicated. As long as you're eating foods with iron in them you'll be fine as well.

    If scientific research is of any help, vegetarians statistically live the longest and meat eating has been linked to cancer. It's surprising people still don't even know this.

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    Feb 15, 2012 9:20 PM GMT
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    mocktwinkie saidFind me a historical record of some person in history like that and we can start debating it.

    Lets feed you someone who is brain dead and kept alive via life support


    Ah yes, because it's healthy!
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    Feb 15, 2012 9:31 PM GMT
    Totally unrelated, but in an alternate-universe kind of way:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/15/heart-attack-grill_n_1279291.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000003

    HuffPoAccording to amateur video and a report from Fox 5 Vegas, a man suffered from a heart attack while dining at Heart Attack Grill in Las Vegas. He was eating a Triple Bypass burger at the time of his cardiac arrest. The unnamed man is reportedly alive and recuperating.

    The restaurant's now sadly predictive name was coupled with the even more unfortunate slogan, "Taste Worth Dying For." The incident comes just of one year after the death of the Heart Attack Grill's 575-pound, 29-year-old spokesman.

    The Vegas owner of Heart Attack Grill, "Doctor" Jon Basso -- who is not actually a doctor -- first thought the man's cardiac arrest was a joke, but soon phoned 911. Basso told Fox 5, "I actually felt horrible for the gentleman because the tourists were taking photos of him as if it were some type of stunt. Even with our own morbid sense of humor, we would never pull a stunt like that," he said.