Preschooler’s Homemade Lunch Replaced with Cafeteria “Nuggets”

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    Feb 15, 2012 6:44 PM GMT
    http://www.carolinajournal.com/exclusives/homemade-lunch-replaced-with-cafeteria-nuggets.html

    RAEFORD - A preschooler at West Hoke Elementary School ate three chicken nuggets for lunch Jan. 30 because a state employee told her the lunch her mother packed was not nutritious.

    The girl's turkey and cheese sandwich, banana, potato chips, and apple juice did not meet U.S. Department of Agriculture guidelines, according to the interpretation of the agent who was inspecting all lunch boxes in her More at Four classroom that day.

    The Division of Child Development and Early Education at the Department of Health and Human Services requires all lunches served in pre-kindergarten programs - including in-home day care centers - to meet USDA guidelines. That means lunches must consist of one serving of meat, one serving of milk, one serving of grain, and two servings of fruit or vegetables, even if the lunches are brought from home.

    When home-packed lunches do not include all of the required items, child care providers must supplement them with the missing ones.

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    When the girl came home with her lunch untouched, her mother wanted to know what she ate instead. Three chicken nuggets, the girl answered. Everything else on her cafeteria tray went to waste.

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    I'm all for getting kids to eat healthier. But chicken nuggets are healthier than a turkey sandwich and fruit? lolwuticon_question.gificon_question.gificon_question.gif
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    Feb 15, 2012 6:54 PM GMT
    Well damn, if the government isn't in your wallet, in your bedroom, in your anus, or in your vagina, they're in your kiddo's lunchbox, too!
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    Feb 15, 2012 6:58 PM GMT
    so stupid.
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    Feb 15, 2012 6:58 PM GMT
    wth? this is why kids are getting so fat /:
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    Feb 15, 2012 7:08 PM GMT
    Here's an update -

    [url] http://www.digtriad.com/news/article/214498/57/Mother-Childs-Homemade-Lunch-Replaced-With-Nuggets?odyssey=tab%7Ctopnews%7Cbc%7Clarge[/url]

    Sounds like the school misinterpreted the regulation. Not saying the reg itself is a great idea, but anyway.

    Edit to add - tried to work with the URL code and couldn't get it to link for some reason. Here's the reg (from the story) -

    "Sites must provide breakfast and/or snacks and lunch meeting USDA requirements during the regular school day. The partial/full cost of meals may be charged when families do not qualify for free/reduced price meals."

    "When children bring their own food for meals and snacks to the center, if the food does not meet the specified nutritional requirements, the center must provide additional food necessary to meet those requirements."
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    Feb 15, 2012 7:08 PM GMT
    azimmwax saidwth? this is why kids are getting so fat /:
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    Off-topic: that kid on the right with his elbow on the table is SOOOOO gonna grow up to be gay icon_lol.gif
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    Feb 15, 2012 7:14 PM GMT
    MightyMouse87 said
    When home-packed lunches do not include all of the required items, child care providers must supplement them with the missing ones.


    Wait, there was meat and wheat present in her turkey sandwich. Aren't they supposed to supplement only what is missing? Why did they give her nuggets?
  • Latenight30

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    Feb 15, 2012 7:21 PM GMT
    Poor nutrition leads to poor learning, means a less educated society means the country and government has more control. It also leads to poor health, more health issues, which gives cause to force insurance on people.
    Yeah I like a conspiracy.
    I think they know exactly what they are trying to do with the school lunch program.
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    Feb 15, 2012 7:27 PM GMT
    Please read the rest of the article - the excerpt there makes it seem far worse than it is.

    The policy is such that they don't take the food from the child, they just provide a meal that is meant to meet the nutritional standards.

    In this case, the child preferred the chicken nuggets (which, she never should have been given) over her lunch - her lunch was never taken away from her (still, misinformation on the side of the person who enforced this was the cause of the issue)

    It's also stated by the person in charge of nutrition that the person who assessed this did assess improperly. The program is meant to provide appropriate nutritional content for kids who, say, only bring in a cookie and chips and a soda to lunch.

    I think the program itself is an absolutely amazing and necessary one and should not be judged negatively due to the actions of one idiot who wasn't able to recognize that the child's lunch was more than adequate.

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    Feb 15, 2012 7:33 PM GMT
    JinRDU saidHere's an update -

    [url] http://www.digtriad.com/news/article/214498/57/Mother-Childs-Homemade-Lunch-Replaced-With-Nuggets?odyssey=tab%7Ctopnews%7Cbc%7Clarge[/url]

    Sounds like the school misinterpreted the regulation. Not saying the reg itself is a great idea, but anyway.

    Edit to add - tried to work with the URL code and couldn't get it to link for some reason. Here's the reg (from the story) -

    "Sites must provide breakfast and/or snacks and lunch meeting USDA requirements during the regular school day. The partial/full cost of meals may be charged when families do not qualify for free/reduced price meals."

    "When children bring their own food for meals and snacks to the center, if the food does not meet the specified nutritional requirements, the center must provide additional food necessary to meet those requirements."


    Sounds like somebody missed that word, "additional..."

    I'm also guessing the girl pulled out just the chips. "Here, chile, have some nuggets with those chips..."
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    Feb 15, 2012 7:34 PM GMT
    If you ever saw the amount of waste caused by this program you would be sick TONS of food thrown away daily because kids who sign up don't eat it.. I'm all for helping those in need but not when idiot bureaucrats can't manage their own programs..
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    Feb 15, 2012 7:37 PM GMT
    AvadaKedavra said
    MightyMouse87 said
    When home-packed lunches do not include all of the required items, child care providers must supplement them with the missing ones.


    Wait, there was meat and wheat present in her turkey sandwich. Aren't they supposed to supplement only what is missing? Why did they give her nuggets?


    I didn't see ANYTHING missing
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    Feb 15, 2012 7:39 PM GMT
    The_Dollarwine said
    AvadaKedavra said
    MightyMouse87 said
    When home-packed lunches do not include all of the required items, child care providers must supplement them with the missing ones.


    Wait, there was meat and wheat present in her turkey sandwich. Aren't they supposed to supplement only what is missing? Why did they give her nuggets?


    I didn't see ANYTHING missing


    Yeah, and that's why the one guy was an idiot...One idiot shouldn't ruin a program that has great benefit.

    That's like saying that welfare or foodstamps should be abolished because of the small percentage that do abuse it...
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    Feb 15, 2012 7:42 PM GMT
    It sounds bad, but it's hard to tell from a news story.

    I remember the "meat" sandwiches my mom used to send to school with me. ONE slice of that paper-thin ham or turkey - the stuff you were supposed to layer or bunch up many slices - maybe one gram at best - between two slices of wonder bread and about three grams of mustard. Or maybe a bit of velveeta (vegetable oil) but not both. icon_rolleyes.gif It was basically just dirty wonder bread. Some "nuggets" would have been a good addition.
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    Feb 15, 2012 7:45 PM GMT
    Gym_bull saidThe US government should not be in charge of nutrition. "Pizza is a vegetable" wtf??? Plus what more do you expect out of them?


    Blame Republicans for "pizza is a vegetable." Otherwise, the US government should be in charge of nutrition due to the USDA national school lunch program. Whether that should exist or not is a different matter...But if they are going to be subsidizing the cost of school lunches in order to provide a social safety net for those kids that can't afford lunches due to their family's SES, they also should be providing a healthy and nutritious one. As far as this program is concerned for the pre-school aged kids, I think it's heart is in the right place as long as it is enforced judiciously with a bit of common sense, which was lacking in this single incident.
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    Feb 15, 2012 8:56 PM GMT
    nanidesukedo saidPlease read the rest of the article - the excerpt there makes it seem far worse than it is.

    The policy is such that they don't take the food from the child, they just provide a meal that is meant to meet the nutritional standards.

    In this case, the child preferred the chicken nuggets (which, she never should have been given) over her lunch - her lunch was never taken away from her (still, misinformation on the side of the person who enforced this was the cause of the issue)

    It's also stated by the person in charge of nutrition that the person who assessed this did assess improperly. The program is meant to provide appropriate nutritional content for kids who, say, only bring in a cookie and chips and a soda to lunch.

    I think the program itself is an absolutely amazing and necessary one and should not be judged negatively due to the actions of one idiot who wasn't able to recognize that the child's lunch was more than adequate.



    thank you for the information.
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    Feb 15, 2012 8:59 PM GMT
    MightyMouse87 said
    azimmwax saidwth? this is why kids are getting so fat /:
    Aww+shit+-+I+Ate+My+Desk+Again.jpg


    Off-topic: that kid on the right with his elbow on the table is SOOOOO gonna grow up to be gay icon_lol.gif


    Elbow kid is fierce. Though fat kid's Peggy Bundy leopard stretch pants are werkin it out pretty good.
  • Menergy_1

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    Feb 15, 2012 9:04 PM GMT
    First off -- you guys complaining about the government intrusion and poor nutrition programs -- the National School Lunch Program (NSLP) is a voluntary federal subsidy program, and sometimes also augmented by State agency subsidies for each school meal (also breakfast and snacks) served that meets the program's nutritional standards, which are adjusted as needed and updated according to science.

    Many, many schools pulled out of that program (which started in 1946 under Truman because so many recruits failed their physical exams due to poor nutrition in a time of war....) in recent years -- too much paperwork, accountability, "self-rule" emotions by administrators and principals, budget cuts, no school meals offered at all, or bring in McDonalds, Taco Bell, Pizza Hut and so on as concessionaires and serve a meal which may be popular but doesn't meet any federal guidelines under the NSLP. the schools don't have cafeterias any more in many places; the school administrators like to "privatize" the meal program out because the schools often get kickbacks and benefits from the food and beverage compaies (read Coca Cola and Pepsi, etc.) and the companies provide school band uniforms, school sport uniforms, goal posts, score boards, etc. etc. etc. -- but the school kids are getting crap for nutrition and value.

    In the OP case, I think it's understood now that the rules of the NSLP were misapplied -- and I never in 34 years ever heard of a school confiscating or replacing a home-brought lunch although the food service workers often saw plenty of sad things brought from home -- and not usually home-made - think Twinkies, chips, Mothers Cookies, koolaid etc. But the kids, especially poor ones, have the option of a decent and nutritious meal under the NSLP and School Breakfast program if the parents apply for free or reduced price meals and if the school even participates in the programs to begin with.

    I think the article and the situation were a very unfortunate mistake.
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    Gym_bull saidThe US government should not be in charge of nutrition. "Pizza is a vegetable" wtf??? Plus what more do you expect out of them?

    Depends on what you consider the government. The program requiring nutritional standards is good. Political intervention spurred by lobbyists to redefine which foods are nutritious and which aren't is bad.
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    Feb 15, 2012 9:05 PM GMT
    First off -- you guys complaining about the government intrusion and poor nutrition programs -- the National School Lunch Program (NSLP) is a voluntary federal subsidy program, and sometimes also augmented by State agency subsidies for each school meal (also breakfast and snacks) served that meets the program's nutritional standards, which are adjusted as needed and updated according to science.

    Many, many schools pulled out of that program (which started in 1946 under Truman because so many recruits failed their physical exams due to poor nutrition in a time of war....) in recent years -- too much paperwork, accountability, "self-rule" emotions by administrators and principals, budget cuts, no school meals offered at all, or bring in McDonalds, Taco Bell, Pizza Hut and so on as concessionaires and serve a meal which may be popular but doesn't meet any federal guidelines under the NSLP. the schools don't have cafeterias any more in many places; the school administrators like to "privatize" the meal program out because the schools often get kickbacks and benefits from the food and beverage compaies (read Coca Cola and Pepsi, etc.) and the companies provide school band uniforms, school sport uniforms, goal posts, score boards, etc. etc. etc. -- but the school kids are getting crap for nutrition and value.

    In the OP case, I think it's understood now that the rules of the NSLP were misapplied -- and I never in 34 years ever heard of a school confiscating or replacing a home-brought lunch although the food service workers often saw plenty of sad things brought from home -- and not usually home-made - think Twinkies, chips, Mothers Cookies, koolaid etc. But the kids, especially poor ones, have the option of a decent and nutritious meal under the NSLP and School Breakfast program if the parents apply for free or reduced price meals and if the school even participates in the programs to begin with.

    I think the article and the situation were a very unfortunate mistake.
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    Feb 15, 2012 9:06 PM GMT
    Super weirdness.
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    Feb 15, 2012 11:25 PM GMT
    Ewwwww! Chicken "nuggets" are NOT food!



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    Feb 15, 2012 11:32 PM GMT
    Just wait till y'all see how they REALLY make Shamrock Shakes.

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    dayumm saidJust wait till y'all see how they REALLY make Shamrock Shakes.

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    Feb 16, 2012 12:22 AM GMT
    I also just read elsewhere that this pre-school program is administered by the US Dept of Health and Human Services and apparently mandates that meals provided in these preschool facilities must met the US Dept of Agriculture meal program nutrition standards. The program is not actually administered or monitored by USDA as it does in the school meal programs and other USDA recipient agencies who get funds to run the USDA programs and pay in whole or in part for meals provided.

    So this was a program mirroring USDA meal standards, and mandating from DHHS that meals from home must meet the same requirements or have food items added by the facility to bring them into compliance.

    In any case, it seems to have been badly handled, poorly understood, and didn't result in the right outcome.

    The sky is falling! The sky is falling! because of this instance......