Gallup: Health Costs, Gov't Regulations Curb Small Business Hiring

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    Feb 15, 2012 8:22 PM GMT
    http://www.gallup.com/poll/152654/Health-Costs-Gov-Regulations-Curb-Small-Business-Hiring.aspx

    - U.S. small-business owners who aren't hiring -- 85% of those surveyed -- are most likely to say the reasons they are not doing so include not needing additional employees; worries about weak business conditions, including revenues; cash flow; and the overall U.S. economy. Additionally, nearly half of small-business owners point to potential healthcare costs (48%) and government regulations (46%) as reasons. One in four are not hiring because they worry they may not be in business in 12 months.
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    Feb 15, 2012 8:33 PM GMT

    And here's the accurate topic title:

    Gallup: Nearly Half of Small Businesses Surveyed Cite Health Costs, Gov't Regulations Curb Hiring

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    Feb 15, 2012 8:36 PM GMT
    More importantly, 76% don't need new employees......

    Just to put the whole thing into context, ya know...since the title kinda lacks it.
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    Feb 15, 2012 8:38 PM GMT
    meninlove said
    And here's the accurate topic title:

    Gallup: Nearly Half of Small Businesses Surveyed Cite Health Costs, Gov't Regulations Curb Hiring



    It's the title from Gallup which is a well recognized polling organization.
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    Feb 15, 2012 8:41 PM GMT
    Fine: their title is incorrect.

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    Feb 15, 2012 8:41 PM GMT
    Also important to note, directly from Gallup

    Right now, economic confidence is approaching its highest levels in the last four years. U.S. small-business owners are also about as optimistic about their business and their future hiring as they've been at any point during that time.
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    Feb 15, 2012 8:52 PM GMT
    nanidesukedo saidMore importantly, 76% don't need new employees......

    Just to put the whole thing into context, ya know...since the title kinda lacks it.


    Ah so are you saying these are not valid concerns? Further, they don't need it sort of contradicts your next argument that they are most optimistic about the future (which could just as well be because they believe that there will be a change in Administration for all we know).
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    Feb 15, 2012 8:59 PM GMT
    riddler78 said
    nanidesukedo saidMore importantly, 76% don't need new employees......

    Just to put the whole thing into context, ya know...since the title kinda lacks it.


    Ah so are you saying these are not valid concerns? Further, they don't need it sort of contradicts your next argument that they are most optimistic about the future (which could just as well be because they believe that there will be a change in Administration for all we know).


    If my two statements, which are taken directly from the gallup poll you posted are contradictions, then you just contradicted your statement about the validity of the poll, which contradicts your entire god damned thread? No? Yeah... So... Whoa-my-god, thread implosion!!! Run away!!!! icon_rolleyes.gif

    Point of the matter is this: You posted a poll and only a tiny excerpt of it in order to further a certain political agenda. You specifically left out a large part of the rest of it knowing that most people wouldn't take time to actually read the article in its entirety and would just read your excerpt which is, by itself, very mislead, when not taking in context of the other variables listed.
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    Feb 15, 2012 9:39 PM GMT
    Furthermore, doing a google search on thoughts on government regulations from 2001-2008, one sees the same thing: People bitching and moaning about government regulations strangling small businesses.

    This seems to be a fairly consistent pattern. Now, combine it with this:

    http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/04/regulation-and-unemployment/


    There we have Bruce Bartlett, an economist who served a senior policy position under both George H.W. Bush and your Savior, Reagan, stating that regulations have little effect on firing...He blames it on the economic downturn and lack of demand (surprise, surprise!)

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    What we see is this: Small businesses have been bitching about government regulations forever, but, when you look at the statistics, it doesn't appear to actually be the case.

    What's going on? Simple psychology: You need to point your finger at someone for your failure. It's hard to suck it up and say "I messed up. Things aren't going well because I could improve." Nor is it easy to say "The economy stinks. I know this." Psychology tells us that, when we fail or don't do well, we point our fingers at others - hence, the pointing at the government for as far back as one can find. When we do well, we blame ourselves. When we fail, we blame others.

    If you are going to tout that regulations are really having a large effect on hirings and firings, despite what Bartlett and many others state, you are going to have to look back much farther than Obama in order to assign blame.
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    Feb 15, 2012 10:05 PM GMT
    nanidesukedo said
    What's going on? Simple psychology: You need to point your finger at someone for your failure. It's hard to suck it up and say "I messed up. Things aren't going well because I could improve." Nor is it easy to say "The economy stinks. I know this." Psychology tells us that, when we fail or don't do well, we point our fingers at others - hence, the pointing at the government for as far back as one can find. When we do well, we blame ourselves. When we fail, we blame others.


    Our culture peculiarly honors the act of blaming, which it takes as the sign of virtue and intellect.
    Lionel Trilling

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    Feb 15, 2012 10:43 PM GMT
    LMAO riddler and his GOP screaming points..

    gawd the parroting by the 'conservative' posse in here is shrill!
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    Feb 15, 2012 11:07 PM GMT
    nanidesukedo said
    riddler78 said
    nanidesukedo saidMore importantly, 76% don't need new employees......

    Just to put the whole thing into context, ya know...since the title kinda lacks it.


    Ah so are you saying these are not valid concerns? Further, they don't need it sort of contradicts your next argument that they are most optimistic about the future (which could just as well be because they believe that there will be a change in Administration for all we know).


    If my two statements, which are taken directly from the gallup poll you posted are contradictions, then you just contradicted your statement about the validity of the poll, which contradicts your entire god damned thread? No? Yeah... So... Whoa-my-god, thread implosion!!! Run away!!!! icon_rolleyes.gif

    Point of the matter is this: You posted a poll and only a tiny excerpt of it in order to further a certain political agenda. You specifically left out a large part of the rest of it knowing that most people wouldn't take time to actually read the article in its entirety and would just read your excerpt which is, by itself, very mislead, when not taking in context of the other variables listed.


    No - if you take them at face value instead of pairing them, you can see that while they may be optimistic (which could just as easily as I noted because they think the Administration would change), they aren't hiring for these two reasons which are directly in the control of the current Administration. I posted the title, and the first paragraph. Please keep up.

    And incidentally, yes, regulations have often been an issue to small businesses - as any small business owner might tell you. The difference is that now they believe that it is one of the primary reasons they will not hire - contradicting the view of many liberals here.
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    Feb 16, 2012 1:29 AM GMT
    More from article - for clarity:

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    Many believe that in the very minimum governments should at least not get in the way to business and if not, offer a favorable environment for growth. The US government fails in this respect given the rise in these concerns - which are very much in their control.

    Finally, to accuse small business owners of being whiney schmucks - which is what one poster does, is a bit sad - and perhaps indicative of the creator versus consumer world we live in where he is more interested in consuming than being part of those who take risks and do new things of worth.

    Oh and oops you must have missed this paragraph: "One in three small-business owners who have hired employees in the last year say they have hired fewer employees than they need, while 65% have hired as many as they need. Five percent of owners report hiring more employees than they need. "