More Repub deceit / Mainstream Media Collusion in holding back the facts that RON PAUL propably won in Maine.

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    Feb 16, 2012 7:53 PM GMT
    There are numerous articles on non Mainstream Media about all the votes not counted in Last Saturday's Maine Caucuses.

    On on 'the Christian Science Monitor' titled: "SHOULD RON PAUL DEMAND A NEW VOTE COUNT IN MAINE ?"

    "Evidence is mounting that the vote totals for the Maine Caucuses, in which Mitt Romney edged out Ron Paul, (by 194) were pretty messed up, In addition to towns that hand't voted yet, others totals were not recorded."

    "Maine's Washington Country canceled its caucuses due to weather, yet the state party wen ahead and called the election without them, for instance. A few other towns had previously scheduled their caucuses for the post Feb. 12 period, and their totals weren't included either."

    "Now it appears that some towns which did caucus did not have their vote totals listed in the state's final count. The vote for most Waldo Country towns was entered as "O", pointed out the Bangor Daily News on Feb. 14, Waterville's numbers were similarly omitted."

    This shows a lot of desparation on the part of the Republican Party to keep Romney as their head man.

    Will this hurt Romney?

    Will it hurt the Repub Party's chances this coming November?

    Or will the Repubs and Mainstream Media get away with ignoring this probabal Paul win, so the man they picked will stay on top. ?

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    Feb 16, 2012 9:14 PM GMT
    I think if the Paul people turn out this Saturday in Washington County when they hold the rescheduled caucuses and if they garner victory I think the national press will pick this up as it is the dead zone that is in effect until the Michigan & Arizona primaries on Feb. 28th. Wouldnt that be great! Would freak the Romney folks out to have a reversal in advance of the now hotly contested Michigan primary.
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    Feb 16, 2012 9:19 PM GMT
    Mitt Romneycare is not only a flip-flopping liar - he's a thief.

    He in no way won Maine.

    There is a massive cover-up of all the shifty and corrupt vote manipulation that went on in Maine.

    And the fact that Willard couldn't win fair and square in his own backyard is just further proof that Mitt Romneycare is a deeply flawed unlikeable and unelectable loser.
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    Feb 16, 2012 9:21 PM GMT
    I heard about this right after the vote took place. GOP establishment threw Paul under the bus to create momentum for Romney.
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    Feb 16, 2012 10:05 PM GMT
    The only person holding back Ron Paul in this matter is Ron Paul. Ron Paul himself said he will not ask for a recount in Maine:

    http://content.usatoday.com/communities/onpolitics/post/2012/02/ron-paul-maine-caucuses-recount-/1?csp=34news#.Tz1-IYePXfg

    If he's not going to fight for his own voters, why should anybody else? Doesn't sound like Repub/mainstream media deceit, sounds like Ron Paul deceit since he is the main person ignoring his "win" in Maine.
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    Feb 16, 2012 11:24 PM GMT
    There actually isnt a provision for a recount as this was a straw poll conducted by volunteers. What can happen here is when the voters in the towns that were postponed cast the ballots, they can add them to the tallies and come out with a final total.
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    Feb 16, 2012 11:28 PM GMT
    I heard all about it last night. It will be interesting to see what happens with Washington County, ME this weekend!

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    Feb 16, 2012 11:29 PM GMT
    RickRick91 saidMitt Romneycare is not only a flip-flopping liar - he's a thief.

    He in no way won Maine.

    There is a massive cover-up of all the shifty and corrupt vote manipulation that went on in Maine.

    And the fact that Willard couldn't win fair and square in his own backyard is just further proof that Mitt Romneycare is a deeply flawed unlikeable and unelectable loser.


    He's on the fade out..... make way for Santorum!
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    Feb 17, 2012 12:11 AM GMT
    HndsmKansan saidHe's on the fade out..... make way for Santorum!
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    Romney is the only Republican candidate that worried me. Rick Sanitorium should be a slam-dunk for Obama. Of course now all the right-wingers here will have to readjust their rhetoric if Sanitorium is the nominee, and tell us why his extreme anti-gay fundamentalist views are really in our best interests here. Or better yet, why our interests shouldn't even interest us.

    But have no fear, they'll get it sorted out soon enough if the Republican Party anoints Sanitorium, when we'll have to endure a new onslaught of right-wing talking points. icon_razz.gif
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    Feb 17, 2012 1:11 AM GMT
    I sure hope that this Saturday's votes put Paul over the top and that it causes quite a revolt among repub voters calling for fairness. Now if the Mainstream Media would pick it up and give it even close to the attention that it gave the 'miniscule' CPAC conference where only a little over 3000 attended, then the attention could make a difference. but don't look for it.
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    Feb 17, 2012 2:37 AM GMT
    If the Romney people expect Paul's supporters to vote for Romney after being treated like this, I think they will be disappointed (if Romney even gets the nomination, which now seems doubtful).
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    Feb 17, 2012 2:57 AM GMT
    KissTheSky saidIf the Romney people expect Paul's supporters to vote for Romney after being treated like this, I think they will be disappointed (if Romney even gets the nomination, which now seems doubtful).




    VERY doubtful.

    The case for nominating Romney has gone up in smoke.

    The Repubs never wanted to nominate him.

    They dislike him as much as the rest of us do!

    The only reason they considered nominating him was because he seemed to have the best chance of winning against Obama.
    But now that Independents have shuddered in revulsion and turned away from Romney - Romney doesn't look much better against Obama than Santorum does.

    They might as well lose against Obama with someone they like (Santorum) than lose against Obama with someone they can't stand (Romney).

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    Feb 17, 2012 3:26 AM GMT
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    KissTheSky saidIf the Romney people expect Paul's supporters to vote for Romney after being treated like this, I think they will be disappointed (if Romney even gets the nomination, which now seems doubtful).




    VERY doubtful.

    The case for nominating Romney has gone up in smoke.

    The Repubs never wanted to nominate him.

    They dislike him as much as the rest of us do!

    The only reason they considered nominating him was because he seemed to have the best chance of winning against Obama.
    But now that Independents have shuddered in revulsion and turned away from Romney - Romney doesn't look much better against Obama than Santorum does.

    They might as well lose against Obama with someone they like (Santorum) than lose against Obama with someone they can't stand (Romney).


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    Polls are showing Romney is still the most competitive against Obama even though down by 6 to 8%, Santorum is down by 12% against Obama.


    Just between you and me Santorum or Gingrich, scare the hell out of me, either of them are way to the right of even bush. These two make Reagan look like a democrat. LOL

    I just cannot see the average American voting for either of them.


    I'm begining to believe that Ron Paul would have a better chance against Obama than Santorum. I know you think I'm crazy, but at least Paul has been consistent as apposed to the repubs.
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    Feb 17, 2012 2:05 PM GMT
    I think the best thing about the Ron Paul crowd is that they are extremely focused behind their ideas, regardless of who carries the banner.

    A lot of these guys in Maine are a branch of the Free State Project taking place in New Hampshire. They've certainly chosen a challenge for themselves in Maine.

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    Feb 17, 2012 6:47 PM GMT
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    Polls are showing Romney is still the most competitive against Obama even though down by 6 to 8%, Santorum is down by 12% against Obama.


    Not according to these polls:


    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203646004577215263708006278.html?mod=googlenews_wsj In a nationwide survey released this morning, President Obama's lead over Mitt Romney in a potential head-to-head contest has swelled to 10 points, with the president capturing 50% support to Mr. Romney's 40%. Meanwhile, Rasmussen finds that Mr. Obama leads Mr. Santorum by just four points, 46% to 42%. Another recent Rasmussen poll, focused on the key battleground state of Ohio, finds a dead heat in a potential Obama-Santorum contest. But the president leads Mr. Romney by four points among Buckeye voters. The evidence from Rasmussen clearly suggests that, at least for the moment, Mr. Santorum is the most electable Republican.


    Santorum's extreme social views means I would never vote for him. However he is more likeable and thus more electable that Mitt Romneycare, the corporate flip-flopper who likes to fire very poor people.
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    Feb 17, 2012 6:57 PM GMT
    TrojanAthlete said
    realifedad said


    Polls are showing Romney is still the most competitive against Obama even though down by 6 to 8%, Santorum is down by 12% against Obama.


    Not according to these polls:


    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203646004577215263708006278.html?mod=googlenews_wsj In a nationwide survey released this morning, President Obama's lead over Mitt Romney in a potential head-to-head contest has swelled to 10 points, with the president capturing 50% support to Mr. Romney's 40%. Meanwhile, Rasmussen finds that Mr. Obama leads Mr. Santorum by just four points, 46% to 42%. Another recent Rasmussen poll, focused on the key battleground state of Ohio, finds a dead heat in a potential Obama-Santorum contest. But the president leads Mr. Romney by four points among Buckeye voters. The evidence from Rasmussen clearly suggests that, at least for the moment, Mr. Santorum is the most electable Republican.


    Santorum's extreme social views means I would never vote for him. However he is more likeable and thus more electable that Mitt Romneycare, the corporate flip-flopper who likes to fire very poor people.




    Yup.

    The argument for making Mitt Romneycare the Repub nominee has gone up in smoke.

    All he has to offer now as a candidate is a long record of blatant flip-flops and a cold stiff elitist and unlikeable personality.

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    Feb 17, 2012 7:38 PM GMT
    I know the OP like Ron Paul, as do I.

    But why are so many others eager on here for him to beat Romney? It's obviously only to spite Romney and not because you like Ron Paul.
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    Feb 17, 2012 7:57 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie saidI know the OP like Ron Paul, as do I.

    But why are so many others eager on here for him to beat Romney? It's obviously only to spite Romney and not because you like Ron Paul.


    Isn't that the basis of any presidential election...or any election for that matter? In the end...you root for the lesser of two evils to win, even if you don't actually like them....

    I think that should be the theme of this year's election...In the heart of a large number of people, I truly think it's gonna come down to the "lesser of two evils" vote...whichever way that ends up being.
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    Feb 17, 2012 10:38 PM GMT
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    HndsmKansan saidHe's on the fade out..... make way for Santorum!
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    Romney is the only Republican candidate that worried me. Rick Sanitorium should be a slam-dunk for Obama. Of course now all the right-wingers here will have to readjust their rhetoric if Sanitorium is the nominee, and tell us why his extreme anti-gay fundamentalist views are really in our best interests here. Or better yet, why our interests shouldn't even interest us.

    But have no fear, they'll get it sorted out soon enough if the Republican Party anoints Sanitorium, when we'll have to endure a new onslaught of right-wing talking points. icon_razz.gif


    Prey tell, have you yourself forgotten all your very own many, many, many years of being Anti Gay, and looking down on us as something less and dirty; all awhile overlooking your very own sins, and the damage you yourself have done. Were where you in the 1980s and 90s when we were on our knees and we really needed you; nowhere in sight; thank mate, for waiting for all the hard work to of been done so you could come out late in middle age, and fly the f;lag as some bloody gay hero, when you stood by and did nothing, just when we needed you the most.
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    Feb 17, 2012 10:41 PM GMT
    OMG you guys must really fear Mitt, to hold on so tightly, to a myth that he is a liar and a cheat; over looking how Obama lied and cheated you; yet many of you fools will be foolish enough to vote him in again, and not correct an Error.
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    Feb 18, 2012 12:10 AM GMT
    I just read on Slate that the republican party have succumbed to pressure to count all the votes, prior to this decision from what I've read, they were planning to avoid the chance of Paul winning by leaving it as it stood with the purposefully done 'early' call for Romney last saturday. Slate was quoting the New York Times, but will CBS, NBC and ABC pick it up if Paul turns out to be the winner? Either way it seems to me the damage is done.

    There is another way to look at it, that these shenanigans will make quite a few people disgusted and turn their votes toward Paul.



    TrojanHorse referred to newer polls, which again, scare the hell out of me that the radical fanatic Santorum is actually catching up to Obama. Even as disgusted with Obama as I am, I'd go to work for his election crew to keep Santorum out.

    I still say we'd be better off with Paul who is definately not sold out to the corps. Sure the status quo would keep him from doing much, but at least then we wouldn't be burdened down with thousands more of Useless legislation steadily taking away liberty and letting the military and lobby take us to another war. He could at least accomplish that much.

    If crazy Santorum can become popular I don't see it as so far out for Paul because he actually does have some good ideas, he's certainly not fanatical like santorum is and Obama is like a reed in the river current, unable to stand up if the pressure gets too great, he can be led to war or god knows what else he'll cave in to.
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    Feb 18, 2012 12:59 AM GMT
    realifedad said I just read on Slate that the republican party have succumbed to pressure to count all the votes, prior to this decision from what I've read, they were planning to avoid the chance of Paul winning by leaving it as it stood with the purposefully done 'early' call for Romney last saturday. Slate was quoting the New York Times, but will CBS, NBC and ABC pick it up if Paul turns out to be the winner? Either way it seems to me the damage is done.

    There is another way to look at it, that these shenanigans will make quite a few people disgusted and turn their votes toward Paul.



    TrojanHorse referred to newer polls, which again, scare the hell out of me that the radical fanatic Santorum is actually catching up to Obama. Even as disgusted with Obama as I am, I'd go to work for his election crew to keep Santorum out.

    I still say we'd be better off with Paul who is definately not sold out to the corps. Sure the status quo would keep him from doing much, but at least then we wouldn't be burdened down with thousands more of Useless legislation steadily taking away liberty and letting the military and lobby take us to another war. He could at least accomplish that much.

    If crazy Santorum can become popular I don't see it as so far out for Paul because he actually does have some good ideas, he's certainly not fanatical like santorum is and Obama is like a reed in the river current, unable to stand up if the pressure gets too great, he can be led to war or god knows what else he'll cave in to.







    Have no fear.

    What's changed with the polls is not that Santorum has gotten popular - its that Independent voters have gotten to know Mitt Romneycare and have turned against him.

    Mittens' poll numbers versus Obama have dropped down to be roughly equal to Santorums' poll numbers versus Obama.

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    Feb 18, 2012 1:25 AM GMT
    JPtheBITCH said
    realifedad said
    If crazy Santorum can become popular I don't see it as so far out for Paul because he actually does have some good ideas, he's certainly not fanatical like santorum is

    Paul is NOT fanatical?
    Do you have any idea how demented a return to the gold standard would be? And he's been whipping that horse since 1978. roughly as long as he's been whipping Jews and IBPs (icky brownish people) in his fanatical newsletters.

    Paul is not a fanatic? Then no one is. Retire the word completely.

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    What system is the UK using that keeps their currency steady and usually holding the highest value of world currencies?

    The decades old arrangement of using the Dollar as the world currency for oil sales is about all that's propping it up. Notice that when that Dollar dominance in Oil trade was threatened by the 'sin' of Iraq, Iran, Lybia, Venezuella selling their barrels of oil in other currencies or gold, that these country's suddenly became members of 'the axis of evil'. Wouldn't we be much better off to change this status quo that is propping up the dollar by Middle Eastern Oil sales, should we have a war with all who don't go along for the sake of our dollar ? many world political researchers tell us that this is putting the US on very shaky ground for its currency value. Look up the subject on GlobalResearch.com

    Why is it crazy to base our dollar value based on something of real value and not dependent on Middle Eastern Oil based on the dollar ?

    I know you tie Paul's opinion about this and the Fed Reserve as another of your Anti Semitic accusations against him, but maybe you should dig deeper, his concern runs deeper than a few Jewish bankers after all.
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    Feb 19, 2012 3:33 AM GMT
    I just checked on the progress on actually counting all the votes in Maine and now the state Repub Party leader is saying the totals won't be availabe until March 10. This is nothing but a political tactic to save Romney's campaign. Who do they think they're fooling?