N.J. Assembly Passes Gay Marriage Bill

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    Feb 16, 2012 10:24 PM GMT
    http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_News/2012/02/16/NJ_Assembly_Passes_Gay_Marriage_Bill/


    The New Jersey Assembly passed a marriage equality bill Thursday, promising to intensify the standoff with Gov. Chris Christie, who has vowed to veto the measure.
    By Julie Bolcer

    The New Jersey Assembly passed a marriage equality bill Thursday, promising to intensify the standoff with Gov. Chris Christie, who has vowed to veto the measure.

    The Assembly passed the Marriage Equality and Religious Exemption Act for the first time Thursday afternoon in a 41-33 vote. The historic passage, following Senate approval Tuesday, turns the spotlight to Christie, who has vowed to veto the measure once it reaches his desk.

    The Assembly passed the bill after two hours of debate about aspects of the issue including civil rights, the history of marriage, the state’s civil union law, and the prospect of putting the matter to a voter referendum. A motion to send the bill back to committee failed, 44-31, about an hour into the discussion.

    Assembly speaker Sheila Oliver, the first African-American woman to lead her chamber and a bill cosponsor, called marriage equality “clearly a constitutional issue of equal access under the law,” in a floor speech that compared the issue at hand to interracial marriage bans of the past.

    The Senate passed the bill for the first on Tuesday in a bipartisan 24-16 vote. Two Republicans supported the bill. The bill failed in a 20-14 vote in the Senate in 2010, but this year leaders in the Democratic-controlled Senate and Assembly made the bill their first priority.

    The bill now heads to Christie, who as recently as Tuesday promised “very swift action” to veto it. Pressure is likely to mount on the Republican governor from opponents and advocates, with national momentum building for marriage equality, as evidenced by last week's Prop. 8 ruling from a federal appeals court, a pending vote in the Maryland legislature, and the signing of the new law in Washington State this week. Washington governor Christine Gregoire, like Christie a Catholic, told The Advocate that she sent him a letter last month about her evolution on the issue and planned to reach out again after the New Jersey legislature passed the bill.

    Evan Wolfson, founder and president of Freedom to Marry, released a statement after the vote that criticized the governor for his stance.

    “Sadly, Governor Chris Christie has planted his feet on the wrong side of history, and the wrong side of the majority for marriage in New Jersey and nationwide,” he said. “If the governor sticks with his threat of a veto, Freedom to Marry will work throughout the entire remainder of the legislative session, supporting local families, leaders, and advocates as they make the case and win the extra handful of votes needed to override the veto and do right by these families.”

    Christie, a Mitt Romney surrogate widely considered a vice-presidential prospect, prefers the civil unions law and wants the Democratic-controlled legislature to put marriage equality to voters’ consideration in a referendum this fall. A recent poll shows that a majority of voters support same-sex marriage and want to have a vote on the issue.

    Legislative leaders have strongly opposed the referendum suggestion, saying that civil rights should not be put to a vote. They have engaged in an escalating war of words with the governor since Christie suggested last month that civil rights leaders in the South “would have been happy” to have a referendum in the 1950s and ’60s.

    Should Christie reject the legislation as promised, lawmakers could attempt to override his veto, but it remains unclear whether they can muster enough Republican support to bypass the governor with two-thirds majorities in each chamber. Based on the vote tallies this week, another three votes would be needed to reach the threshold of 27 in the 40-member Senate, and 13 votes would be needed to reach the threshold of 54 in the 80-member Assembly.

    Marriage equality advocates, who also have a lawsuit moving through state court, note that the current legislative session ends in January 2014, giving them ample time to prepare and attempt a veto override.
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    Feb 16, 2012 10:47 PM GMT
    Neighborly (pre-nup) hugs from NYS ! Looking forward to marital spooning!
    Hope that the big bad bigot doesn't get away with a successful veto.
  • citypartyboy

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    Feb 16, 2012 11:22 PM GMT
    Christie should listen to his people of NJ. The majority of people in NJ want Gay Marriage, he should vote in their favor.
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    Feb 16, 2012 11:52 PM GMT
    I feel sorry for him. He's in a tough position. He wants to pass the bill because he knows he will be on the wrong side of history if he doesn't but he's looking forward to possibly a presidential run and if he passes it he may lose a voting block in 2016.

    If he does nothing and let's it go through, he'll anger both parties. I think he might just not do anything and let it go through.
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    Feb 16, 2012 11:54 PM GMT
    Its his way of dealing with it in a political way...If it passes he can sign it and state it was voted upon and thereby protect his GOP standing going forward. And again, the vote would be in November thereby forestalling any action on his part until election day, especially if he is selected to be VP. Note: I dont believe that will happen as if it is Mitt, he will want to go out of the Northeast to select a running mate, preferably one that will carry his/her state - not at all certian if Christie were VP nominee.
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    Feb 16, 2012 11:56 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie saidI feel sorry for him. He's in a tough position. He wants to pass the bill but he's looking forward to possibly a presidential run and if he passes it he may lose a voting block in 2016.

    If he does nothing and let's it go through, he'll anger both parties.


    Mock, you're on the money and see my anaysis of his plan of action. No one (especially Repubicans) can argue against the will of the people in a referendum.
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    Feb 17, 2012 12:47 AM GMT
    Fatass Christie has repeatedly stated publicly that he DEFINITELY would veto the bill if it makes it to his desk.

    If he completely reverses himself and signs it into law he'll not only infuriate the base of the Repub party and guarantee he NEVER gets the Repub nomination in 2016 - he'll also make himself a flagrant FLIP-FLOPPER who cannot be trusted to keep his word.

    There's absolutely ZERO reason to feel sorry for Fatass.

    He can't have it both ways.

    Does he support equal rights or does he side with the religious right extremists who advocate making gay Americans second class citizens?

    Take a stand, buddy.

    Stand up for what you believe in.

    You can't play both sides of the issue anymore.
  • KissTheSky

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    Feb 17, 2012 2:51 AM GMT
    When courts rule in favor of gay civil rights, Republicans say that doesn't count, we demand legislative action.
    When legislatures vote for gay civil rights, Republicans say that doesn't count, we demand a public vote.
    When the public votes in favor of gay civil rights, Republicans say that doesn't count, we demand our Republican governor veto it.

    Notice a pattern here?
    Republicans keep moving the goal post. Their only consistency is their own anti-gay bigotry.
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    Feb 17, 2012 3:15 AM GMT
    KissTheSky saidWhen courts rule in favor of gay civil rights, Republicans say that doesn't count, we demand legislative action.
    When legislatures vote for gay civil rights, Republicans say that doesn't count, we demand a public vote.
    When the public votes in favor of gay civil rights, Republicans say that doesn't count, we demand our Republican governor veto it.

    Notice a pattern here?
    Republicans keep moving the goal post. Their only consistency is their own anti-gay bigotry.





    That's why the Repubs have moved to the position that they want to AMEND OUR CONSTITUTION to permanently make gay marriage illegal nationwide.

    That way they can force their bigoted twisted version of Christianity on all Americans in all states.

    That way they can undo the laws that have passed in some states allowing gay marriage - and prevent any other states from allowing it.

    They now want to enshrine anti-gay bigotry IN OUR CONSTITUTION.

    The Repubs are waging a war on our equal rights and we must fight back

    We need to vote to keep them out of the White House so they don't have the power to stack the Supreme Court with more right-wing justices.

    If the Repubs succeed at putting more right-wing justices on the Supreme Court they'll have the votes to make laws that deny us our equal rights.

    And make no mistake - that's exactly what they want to do.


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    Feb 17, 2012 3:35 AM GMT
    Romney was Governor of the Commonwealth when it became the FIRST state to pass marriage. If he won't pick Christie as a running mate because of it, wouldn't that would make him a first-class hypocrite?

    Christie stated last week that he can't turn on an issue "with the grace of a ballerina" ... which created a VERY disturbing mental image. To quote Newman: "and a more offensive spectacle, I cannot recall!"

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    Feb 17, 2012 4:09 AM GMT
    Christie is a bonafied asshole, and I literally mean that. My dad works indirectly in politics for the state. He considers himself pretty conservitive as well and he HATES christie. 95% of my family lives in New Jersey (the state I grew up in) and christie is absolutely doing everything wrong. The people who support him are also the kinds of people who are making the state horrible to live in with their mentalities. It sucks so hard... Glad I have moved out of there, but I feel for my family.

    This will just be yet another reason I absolutely hate his guts.


    njmeanwhile said
    Christie stated last week that he can't turn on an issue "with the grace of a ballerina" ... which created a VERY disturbing mental image.



    LMAO!!!!
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    Feb 17, 2012 4:48 AM GMT
    tautomer4314 saidChristie is a bonafied asshole, and I literally mean that. My dad works indirectly in politics for the state. He considers himself pretty conservitive as well and he HATES christie. 95% of my family lives in New Jersey (the state I grew up in) and christie is absolutely doing everything wrong. The people who support him are also the kinds of people who are making the state horrible to live in with their mentalities. It sucks so hard... Glad I have moved out of there, but I feel for my family.

    This will just be yet another reason I absolutely hate his guts.


    njmeanwhile said
    Christie stated last week that he can't turn on an issue "with the grace of a ballerina" ... which created a VERY disturbing mental image.



    LMAO!!!!




    I never understood why so many Repubs considered Fatass Christie a strong possible Repub nominee for president.

    The guy is rude crude with major 'tude.

    His crassness may be palatable in NJ but it would never play in the heartland.

    And when he vetoes equal rights for gay Americans and sides with the religious right nuts he'll become just another gay hating Repub who supports treating gay Americans as second class citizens.

    Plus he's just too damn FAT.
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    Feb 17, 2012 3:28 PM GMT
    tautomer4314 saidChristie is a bonafied asshole, and I literally mean that. My dad works indirectly in politics for the state. He considers himself pretty conservitive as well and he HATES christie. 95% of my family lives in New Jersey (the state I grew up in) and christie is absolutely doing everything wrong. The people who support him are also the kinds of people who are making the state horrible to live in with their mentalities. It sucks so hard... Glad I have moved out of there, but I feel for my family.

    This will just be yet another reason I absolutely hate his guts.


    njmeanwhile said
    Christie stated last week that he can't turn on an issue "with the grace of a ballerina" ... which created a VERY disturbing mental image.



    LMAO!!!!


    And yet with all that claptrap whining you can't offer even one substantive reason that warrants your anger. lol
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    Feb 17, 2012 3:32 PM GMT
    RickRick91 said...Plus he's just too damn FAT.


    The main reason why Christie is unelectable as POTUS, amirite? icon_twisted.gif

    After all, there really hasn't been a tubby president since William Howard Taft. Mind you, this being prior to the pre-24 hour news cycle era.

    {trollface}
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    Feb 17, 2012 3:37 PM GMT
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    mocktwinkie saidI feel sorry for him. He's in a tough position. He wants to pass the bill but he's looking forward to possibly a presidential run and if he passes it he may lose a voting block in 2016.

    If he does nothing and let's it go through, he'll anger both parties.


    Mock, you're on the money and see my anaysis of his plan of action. No one (especially Repubicans) can argue against the will of the people in a referendum.



    Mock, he may lose a voting block, and conversely, gain one.

    Gay people have (surprise surprise) straight families and friends that love them and want them to be able to marry.

    For example, I'm only one gay man but have many relatives friends and acquaintances that believe in marriage for Bill and I. Those people vote, and if we were in the States those people would be voting for someone who believed in complete equality and wasn't fearful of championing it.

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    Feb 17, 2012 3:40 PM GMT
    I'm 95% certain that he will veto it.
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    Feb 17, 2012 6:09 PM GMT
    AlphaTrigger saidI'm 95% certain that he will veto it.





    That's because unlike crazyjock you live in the real world of facts - and based on Christie's own public comments there's no legitimate rational reason to think that he won't veto it as he's repeatedly said he will .
  • GQjock

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    Feb 17, 2012 6:25 PM GMT
    He won't veto it....

    He's doing the cowardly way out by putting it up for a prop 8 style referendum
    This way if it passes he can say to the bigots in the republican party ... Hey what could I do... I put it up for a vote

    And if it doesn't pass he can say the people didn't want it
    But tubby knows that civil rights are NEVER put up for a vote

    ......