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BearCub17 Posts: 228	Jul 01, 2008 6:17 PM GMT Quote As most of you who follow any of my threads probably have realized by now, I tend to be a very liberal/libertarian type when it comes to human rights and social issues. One thing I have always advocated is the legalization of public nudity. I think it is absolutely stupid to require people to wear clothing in public. Humans are just highly specialized animals, and as such, we should only wear clothing out of necessity, not out of societies pressure to do so. I mean, if it's 90 degrees outside, why the hell do people expect you to walk around fully clothed? I dont understand why people are so afraid of nudity. Seeing a naked person should not be a big deal, and whether to protect the "innocent" children from nakedness or to prevent public sex, robbing people of the right to walk in public naturally is an injustice. Basically, let people get naked, baby!!! haha what do you guys think?

mickeytopogig... Posts: 1027	Jul 01, 2008 8:51 PM GMT Quote BearCub17 said...haha what do you guys think? Come to Austin and check out Hippie Hollow. Weekends are a little mixed, clothing-wise, but weekdays are naked naked naked. I'm for functional clothing: a strap or whatever to prevent chafing and swinging. Hairnets, to keep stuff out of my food. Aprons and gloves for doctors and nurses...that sort of thing. But other than that, I'm all for public nakedness. Except on children, who should wear burkas.
a1972guy Posts: 1980	Jul 01, 2008 8:54 PM GMT Quote mickeytopogigio said[quote] Come to Austin and check out Hippie Hollow. Weekends are a little mixed, clothing-wise, but weekdays are naked naked naked. I'm for functional clothing: a strap or whatever to prevent chafing and swinging. Hairnets, to keep stuff out of my food. Aprons and gloves for doctors and nurses...that sort of thing. But other than that, I'm all for public nakedness. Except on children, who should wear burkas.
Caslon8000 Posts: 8134	Jul 01, 2008 8:58 PM GMT Quote Considering the general level of fitness of the population, I am very happy to have them stay covered up. Plus, who wants to sit in a seat previously occupied by a big, fat, sweating naked guy...or a little, skinny, sweating naked guy, for that matter?
HighVoltageGu... Posts: 1306	Jul 01, 2008 9:02 PM GMT Quote Mmmmmmmmmmm....sweat! I went to Sonoma State University here in CA and it was (and I believe still is) a clothing optional campus. No one really took part, however in the early 70's they did.
gymguy1 Posts: 1012	Jul 01, 2008 9:04 PM GMT Quote I dont agree with this. I do not want my nieces and nephews playing at the park and then witness some person walking around naked. They dont need to see that. You will also have people who do not know how to act and public masterbation will quickly rise. If you want to be naked do it in the privacy of your own home or go to a nudist community.
Distinguished... Posts: 4	Jul 01, 2008 9:07 PM GMT Quote I agree with Calson; who wants to sit in someone elses sweat? I think though, if people want to be nude, let them, on the nude beaches that are provided for them
MSUBioNerd Posts: 683	Jul 01, 2008 9:12 PM GMT Quote Caslon raises quite a valid point. Think of the people you see in life outside of the gym/your rec sports/etc. What percentage of them do you have any desire to see naked? What percentage of them are you quite happy you don't have to see naked? Also, consider this: if we remove the societal pressure/expectation about wearing clothing and make it more functional, the primary reason why most of us outside of the tropics would wear clothing would be protection from the cold. The fatter you are, the less the cold effects you. Therefore, from a purely functional basis, the people who would be most likely to wear clothing would be those we would least enjoy seeing naked.
fitdude62 Posts: 111	Jul 01, 2008 9:29 PM GMT Quote Maybe if more people were naked more people would go to the gym out of necessity. Just a thought. I spend as much time naked as I can.
zdrew Posts: 1978	Jul 01, 2008 9:33 PM GMT Quote To the proponents of public nudity: ya really wanna see your dear ol' mom letting it all hang out?
MikeOnMain Posts: 506	Jul 01, 2008 9:43 PM GMT Quote Think it over next time you ride a public bus or the subway during the rush hour... ick
Aquanerd Posts: 338	Jul 01, 2008 9:48 PM GMT Quote fitdude62 saidMaybe if more people were naked more people would go to the gym out of necessity. Just a thought. I spend as much time naked as I can. Just another thought... Who are the guys that walk around naked in the lockerroom at your gym, and who are the one wearing workout clothes in the sauna?
fitdude62 Posts: 111	Jul 01, 2008 9:50 PM GMT Quote I only wish I had a sauna......lol Point taken.....
McGay Posts: 3220	Jul 01, 2008 9:51 PM GMT Quote Sorry, man, but I couldn't live in a place where the grotesque are free to flaunt their grotesqueness. Why? Because they would, they would flaunt their grotesqueness, given the opportunity. All kinds of other laws would need to be in place, concerning weight and hygiene. I don't need to be the witness to someone's lack of toilet paper skills and I don't need someone's crabs leaping on me in the subway. I don't need the extra shit particles up my nose that are normally trapped by someone's pants when they fart. I have nothing against the human body when it's maintained. When it's not, cover it up. We have laws about maintaining our homes. We would need laws about maintaining our bodies and it aint gonna happen. You'll have 90 year old ladies tripping over their tits, old men with knee-bruised balls. I just threw up a little in my mouth. Gotta go.
lilTanker Posts: 1267	Jul 01, 2008 10:20 PM GMT Quote TO THE OP Mate, you can walk around naked all a like.. but the post below gave me chills! MikeOnMain saidThink it over next time you ride a public bus or the subway during the rush hour... ick
mickeytopogig... Posts: 1027	Jul 01, 2008 10:29 PM GMT Quote There are bad bodies, and there are good. Yes, people's bodies are gross. But, we're conditioned to be disgusted by them. And I think nieces and nephews deal with the facts of life a lot better than adults do. That reminds me of my sister-in-law, who didn't want the kids to know I was gay. "What do I tell my kids? How do I explain it to them?" Which is such a stupid question. Kids deal with facts. I told her to say, "Uncle Mike has a boyfriend, who'll be there when you are." And leave it at that. Oddly enough, the kids couldn't give a rats ass who was spoiling them. Once you see a few dozen ugly naked bodies, you get over your giggles and disgust and deal with the person. Same as with the clothed people.
FirefighterBl... Posts: 923	Jul 01, 2008 11:03 PM GMT Quote shrug. nudity doesn't bother me, we see people that brought sexy back ... to the stone ages, at the nude beach here. we see families with kids of all ages at the nude beach. society conditions us to revile the nude human form in public, regardless of sexual desire. especially in america. put clothing on for function and hygiene or if you so choose, otherwise i'm really bothered by the lack of clothing. of course it's not sanitary to sit on a bus seat that some other unclothed anus was a few minutes ago. you'll find that nudist colonies often ask people to carry a towel with them for the purpose of sanitary seating like this. it's more the knee-jerk reaction people have when someone brings up public nudity that catches my eye.
Global_Citize... Posts: 972	Jul 01, 2008 11:33 PM GMT Quote zdrew saidTo the proponents of public nudity: ya really wanna see your dear ol' mom letting it all hang out? I don't want to even think about it much less see it. (But thanks for planting that imagery )
Timberoo Posts: 2863	Jul 02, 2008 12:36 AM GMT Quote I think more people should wear more clothing.
yo_mamali Posts: 449	Jul 02, 2008 1:29 AM GMT Quote Sometimes it's what we don't see that gets us through the night... I agree with Carlson.
Hidden/Deleted Member	Jul 02, 2008 1:33 AM GMT Quote Confirmed exhibitionist here. no prizes for guessing where my loyalties lie
Guy101 Posts: 877	Jul 02, 2008 2:11 AM GMT Quote Sorry. I can't agree with public nudity no matter who it is (hot or not). If people want that kind of "freedom" then I say go to a nude beach or to one of those nudist colonies on an island somewhere. I don't want to be walking down the street and have to actually see someone's bits flapping around (male and female). Clothing provides a form of protection form weather, bugs, and diseases. Would you want to sit in a chair after someone on a sweaty day knowing they were stark naked and rocking the birthday suit and see a puddle of ass juice on that chair? I think not. I'll be the villain and openly admit that some people should not walk around naked in the first place. I don't feel bad in saying it because I know lots of people are thuinking the same thing too. That's just a reality. Besides, if everyone walked around naked it would take away the mystery and in a sense it would take away a person's uniqueness and style since clothes do give that sort character to a person.
Hagan_F Posts: 180	Jul 02, 2008 3:33 AM GMT Quote If they don't ever make it legal in public, you can come over to my place and be naked to your hearts content!
a1972guy Posts: 1980	Jul 02, 2008 3:35 AM GMT Quote Yeah, not into public nudity! Plus see here in SF almost every day and it's NEVER the ones who you want to see naked!!!
gettoknowit Posts: 1073	Jul 02, 2008 3:43 AM GMT Quote OMG, you mean I can actually look up free porn on the internet and its at my fingertips/right under my nose...what a concept. So inspiring.
SurrealLife Posts: 4496	Jul 02, 2008 10:02 AM GMT Quote Anytime I have been at a nude beach (where I keep at least a bathing suit on) it is not the people with great physiques that are nude, but those that are really out of shape. Enough to kill the sex drive for a month.
BearCub17 Posts: 228	Jul 02, 2008 5:59 PM GMT Quote Well well well, just as I thought, everyone is against public nudity because they dont want to see fat people, lol But the point remains the same; whether someone is out of shape or not, they should still have the right to chose to wear clothing or not. Nakedness is part of being a human being, and I think people need to learn to accept that. Now, as far as sanitation goes, I agree that I wouldnt want to sit on a seat after some gross person did, but there MUST be some way to work around that. As far as young kids; they should not need to be protected from peoples nakedness, as it is just part of human nature. Better yet, kids always say inappropriate stuff, so if they see an obese naked person, they may just make enough comments to convince the person to lose weight=) And i wouldnt care seeing my parents naked; lol wouldnt hurt my labido at all (i dont think anything can at this pint ) and SOME of you people just need to grow a pair; honestly! haha but anyway, i still think the option should be there if people want to be naked in public away from "designated areas". After all, wouldnt you be upset if there were designated areas where you can be "openly homosexual" ?
mickeytopogig... Posts: 1027	Jul 02, 2008 6:12 PM GMT Quote Every industrialized first- and second-world country has a cultural taboo about nakedness. But the rationalizations against it are merely that. Don't want to see ugly people, ass crack is slimy, I don't want crabs, the mystery is gone, etc. IF our culture changed (it won't), we'd be okay with naked people and letting it swing. But as long as we've got moms hiding our eyes from boobies, boners and butts in our G-rated upbringings we'll always have this taboo.
Sedative Posts: 5570	Jul 02, 2008 6:28 PM GMT Quote I'm curious as to how nakedness became the most universally accepted social taboo... People were less concerned about nakedness back then, but that might just be because cloth was hard to make. Hehe. The Greeks for example had very relaxed attitudes on nudity.
BearCub17 Posts: 228	Jul 02, 2008 6:33 PM GMT Quote ... and homosexuality, and bestiality, and every taboo topic in modern times pretty much. What caused the taboo? Easy; christianity! haha but that's a different issue
closetsinger Posts: 78	Jul 02, 2008 6:40 PM GMT Quote [quote][cite]Sedative said[/cite]I'm curious as to how nakedness became the most universally accepted social taboo... LOL. Maybe Sedative we as a race are Narcissus reversed? Excellent penmanship by the way.
Hidden/Deleted Member	Jul 02, 2008 6:58 PM GMT Quote I agree. There is a time and a place for all things, nudity included. I have no problem with nudity on the beach, in the sports arena (though protective clothing is wiser), or in places where grooming and hygiene is being enhanced (eg. manscaping, waxing, massage, etc.). Minimal clothing is required for hygienic purposes, such as a loincloth. Nevertheless, I have nothing against old people or fat people being in that minimal clothing. My parents walked around naked in front of me while I was growing up. They had sex in the next room, and I could hear them. I walked around naked in front of them, too. No big deal -- and my mom was fat and had huge boobs. I could have cared less. Damn, when I was a little boy, I loved lying against that wonderfully soft, warm body of hers, and I have nothing but appreciation for it. I think that we would be more accepting of other body types if the damned media would quit fucking us over and displaying only "perfect" genetically rare bodies. Everyone is unique, and everyone is different. There are lots of people who are genetically predisposed to being fat, and there's not a thing they can do about it. You guys don't care if someone is sweaty if you're sexually attracted to them, so why should you care if it's someone else? We might even be a bit more careful about our grooming and cleanliness if we showed more of our bodies in those appropriate locations. And I agree about 90 degree days and needing to let our body mechanisms work naturally to cool us down. Use of clothing needs to be a function of necessity (hygiene, protection, etc.). Oh, and one of the things on my list of things to do before I die is to go to a clothing optional beach, so that I can go naked, and my partner can wear his swimming suit, because he feels uncomfortable being naked. I don't even care if I pop a woodie, or if someone else does. It's fucking part of being human. Get over it.
Sedative Posts: 5570	Jul 02, 2008 7:04 PM GMT Quote closetsinger said LOL. Maybe Sedative we as a race are Narcissus reversed? Excellent penmanship by the way. Yippee! You read my poem! LOL Thankee, kind sir. bearcub17What caused the taboo? Easy; christianity! haha but that's a different issue Ahihihi. nodding head in agreement but keeping mouth shut lest another atheist-christian flame war erupt Funny, how in other non-Abrahamic world religions, nudity isn't that much of a taboo. Shinto, Buddhism, Hinduism, etc. I'm not also advocating for total nudity everywhere, but a more relaxed attitude on nudity. i.e. When will being naked in public be taken off the petty crimes list?
mickeytopogig... Posts: 1027	Jul 02, 2008 8:08 PM GMT Quote BearCub17 saidWhat caused the taboo? Easy; christianity!...haha I'm no Christian, but that's neither true nor constructive. In all the recorded history of civilized man (the last 8000 years at least) there is evidence of clothing and the taboo against nudity.
Sedative Posts: 5570	Jul 02, 2008 8:17 PM GMT Quote Well Christianity/Islam/Judaism certainly did take it further by making sex somehow sinful... something not shared by most other world religions.
BearCub17 Posts: 228	Jul 02, 2008 8:38 PM GMT Quote I'll repeat; THAT'S A DIFFERENT ISSUE! =)
Hidden/Deleted Member	Jul 03, 2008 3:50 PM GMT Quote I think public nudity should not be a problem here in the US. I do think that nude people should carry a towel to sit on though when they're in public.
Jockbod48 Posts: 1535	Jul 03, 2008 4:13 PM GMT Quote I love running for a couple of miles nude on guys-only clothing optional beaches. Nothing is better for me than to have an occasional "mental health" day off - and head for the nude beaches to run, swim, and soak up some rays!
Chizzad Posts: 678	Jul 03, 2008 4:20 PM GMT Quote BearCub17 saidAs most of you who follow any of my threads probably have realized by now, I tend to be a very liberal/libertarian type when it comes to human rights and social issues. One thing I have always advocated is the legalization of public nudity. I think it is absolutely stupid to require people to wear clothing in public. Humans are just highly specialized animals, and as such, we should only wear clothing out of necessity, not out of societies pressure to do so. I mean, if it's 90 degrees outside, why the hell do people expect you to walk around fully clothed? I dont understand why people are so afraid of nudity. Seeing a naked person should not be a big deal, and whether to protect the "innocent" children from nakedness or to prevent public sex, robbing people of the right to walk in public naturally is an injustice. Basically, let people get naked, baby!!! haha what do you guys think? Fully dressed with correct atire on a 90 degree day with full sun actually makes more sense than walking around fully nude. Have you not seen what the sun can do to your skin. Even the "not so highly specialized animals" have something covering their skin that would normally be exposed if not for their furr, feathers, scales, and shells.
SAHEM62896 Posts: 1264	Jul 03, 2008 4:40 PM GMT Quote Chizzad said[quote] Fully dressed with correct atire on a 90 degree day with full sun actually makes more sense than walking around fully nude. Have you not seen what the sun can do to your skin. Even the "not so highly specialized animals" have something covering their skin that would normally be exposed if not for their furr, feathers, scales, and shells. As a guy with real fair skin (always burns, never tans), I must concur.... especially since I got a really bad burn two weeks ago! It was just on my chest and tummy, but it was still hard to bear the healing process. Any more skin that had been burnt like that, and I would have been in agony!
slimdad1 Posts: 3	Jul 03, 2008 5:08 PM GMT Quote I think it is a question of modesty for most people. Some of us like a little mystery, too. There is something very erotic about the process of undressing someone (or fantasizing about it). You've got to leave something to the imagination. Even so (and I may be considered as "not-PC" for saying this), there are some people who should NEVER be permitted to appear nude in public.
Crimthann Posts: 781	Jul 03, 2008 5:23 PM GMT Quote aside from the sunburning (my last name translates as 'fair-skinned' so I BUUUURRRRRNNNN ) I like to leave a little to the imagination. I prefer they not run away puking until after I've had the chance to frighten them away with my wierd personality.
redheadguy Posts: 2275	Jul 04, 2008 6:59 AM GMT Quote I don't even like seeing nudity on beaches where clothing is optional. It's just not sexy seeing people's "junk" flopping around. Or their jewelry jangling around from their perineums (usually the Germans). Give me a man in sexy swim wear any day. Also, I'm too fair for nudity. I end up looking like a lobster if I'm not really careful so not practical for me.
TD22 Posts: 872	Jul 04, 2008 7:18 AM GMT Quote Yeh granny goes to walmart letting it all dangle? WTF?
Hidden/Deleted Member	Jul 04, 2008 11:47 PM GMT Quote Some people just look better with clothes on, plain and simple. In public you need to have some decorum. Although I agree that in general Americans are way too uptight about nudity. Violence in movies and on TV is much more accepted than, God forbid, a naked breast or ass.
Midwestern Posts: 20	Jul 07, 2008 1:24 AM GMT Quote my street is typically busy during the day, but at night, hardly any cars. When its really nice outside or if it is raining at somewhere between 1 to 3am, i will go out on my street completely naked and walk around. it is extremely liberating. ive done it a number of times and have yet to be caught.
Timberoo Posts: 2863	Jul 07, 2008 1:27 AM GMT Quote Midwestern saidmy street is typically busy during the day, but at night, hardly any cars. When its really nice outside or if it is raining at somewhere between 1 to 3am, i will go out on my street completely naked and walk around. it is extremely liberating. ive done it a number of times and have yet to be caught. awesome volleyball pics in your profile I so wish I was tall like you
Sean_85 Posts: 1066	Jul 07, 2008 1:53 AM GMT Quote There is to much money to be made on clothing.. It would be like the lobbiests in Washington fighting other alternatives to oil. You'd have Everyone from GAP Inc. to D&G up in arms. I don't care to much I mean I saw people naked in the street among thousands at Toronto Pride.. I felt it was a little un-needed but to each there own.. Sure the option would be nice but also understanding humans as animals. Well humans have migrated to other parts of the world from Africa (given that where we did all come from.) It dosen't really make much sence for people who live in Canada in January to walk around naked. And no offence.. I wouldn't want to sit on a chair after somebody sat on it bare assed. theres so many things that could be spread I'd rather not think about it.
GQjock Posts: 3846	Jul 07, 2008 2:09 AM GMT Quote I don't see clothes as something that is a cover up because people are shameful of their bodies To me clothes are an expression of who we are What you wear and how you dress are an indication of your personality Walking around naked erases all that Nudity at the beach or a public pool is fine But do you want a naked person sitting on your dining room chairs? You want someone naked sitting next to you on a plane in Coach?
gettoknowit Posts: 1073	Jul 07, 2008 2:36 AM GMT Quote more sex http://www.onlydudes.com/
GoWest Posts: 16	Jul 07, 2008 3:00 AM GMT Quote As in many cases, Europeans have a fairly good idea. The Tiergarten, in Berlin, is their equivalent of Central Park. It has its clothing optional areas, which you can avoid if you are prudish. That way you can still be in city center and take a nice suntanning break with lunch. As a side note, it was funny that many areas also happened to be basically designated as gay. Apparently a group of guys from my class wandered on a bunch of guys enjoying themselves. Apparently one couple was enjoying themselves a tad too much for public consumption. I think full on intercourse should be left to the bedroom (or somewhere a little more inconspicuous than an open lawn in a public park). However, our prof said that the guys should put that in their trip journal as a cultural experience. Ah, the memories. So, anyway, I think that we could be a tad more open, but I do think that it should be limited in social settings that would make people a little uncomfortable.
Hidden/Deleted Member	Jul 07, 2008 3:28 AM GMT Quote We are primarily social creatures, and thus social conventions of good taste and protocol rule. If I say: 'Hi, how are you?', and you say 'Fine, thanks. You?' it is a sign; a recognition password to signal a general association with an idealogy.
Azwoody Posts: 705	Jul 08, 2008 4:52 PM GMT Quote I like being naked and I like nude beaches. I think it should be kept there. Now public sex is something different....I also like that and well I am very bad about it and find it HARD to resist!!
Manhood69 Posts: 9	Aug 13, 2008 6:54 PM GMT Quote AZStreaker, I agree with you. I absolutely love nude beaches. It seems so natural and liberating. I don't think nudity in public is practical. But, I must admit that when I go to the nude beach, if I see some hot bodies, it does get the libido pumping and a brotha starts looking for someone to release with. But, generally, I'm pretty good.
CarlosGringo Posts: 554	Aug 13, 2008 7:59 PM GMT Quote Beaches and pools, definitely. Public parks, probably. But the Metro and Metrobus in Mexico City during rush hour? No thank you! It's bad enough with clothes!
Hidden/Deleted Member	Aug 13, 2008 8:33 PM GMT Quote its legal to be naked anywhere here in boulder, as long as no one is offended. i think most men on this site would be able to walk around naked and not worry about offending any one
getfitrick Posts: 158	Aug 13, 2008 8:38 PM GMT Quote theycallmeRED saidits legal to be naked anywhere here in boulder, as long as no one is offended. i think most men on this site would be able to walk around naked and not worry about offending any one I wouldn't be offended if Cody was nude ...errr I mean with nudity
Koaa2 Posts: 506	Aug 13, 2008 8:58 PM GMT Quote A lot of the concern about public nudity goes back to religion, and it's influence on what is good and what is evil. Amazing how the naked body has turned into, for some, something that is bad, dirty, and something that should be keept hidden. I wonder if a lot of the negative comments about out of shape people are only projected fears that someday you may look like that! Amazing how a discussion of nudity turns into something sexual all the time. People have these archaic ideas that just because your nude it has got to have something to do with sex.
MikePhilPerez Posts: 2931	Aug 13, 2008 9:04 PM GMT Quote Where would I put my wallet and my keys and my phone And doing the job I do, where would I put my screwdriver
BigSETXjock Posts: 391	Aug 13, 2008 9:05 PM GMT Quote I love going nude... any chance I get. Last December, while on a cruise, we stopped in St. Marteen and visited Club Orient. It was such an incredible place... from the beach to the restaurant to the entire resort... all nude... all the time. Plus it had a nice mix of gay and straight, young and old. The Atlantis Gay Cruise will be stopping at St. Marteen this January! Can't wait to see how many guys on the ship joins us on the beach, in the buff!!
Hidden/Deleted Member	Aug 13, 2008 9:16 PM GMT Quote Whom wants to sit on plastic seats in the summer with nothing on, and they would make you sweet even more, and they would have to be plastic, as it would be essayer too clean up those wet farts. I get to see nood people all the time via my job, and I'm grateful people wear clohing. Could you imagine at a pride march, and all those bull dyke's walking around naked, OMG. They would be in need of something too tie that load down. Good example of why One votes conservative, as liberals seem to be irresponsible, and it seems the responsible thing to do.
MikePhilPerez Posts: 2931	Aug 13, 2008 9:24 PM GMT Quote I was wondering where you were Pat
MikeOnMain Posts: 506	Aug 13, 2008 9:53 PM GMT Quote NNJfitandbi wroteNudity has its time and place. I'm all for a CO beach. A CO movie theater? CO airplanes, trains, buses, subway cars? CO courtrooms? CO schools? Don't think so. You left out CO restaurants...anyone want the boiled lobster tonight? How about Buffalo wings? Check please!
MikePhilPerez Posts: 2931	Aug 13, 2008 10:13 PM GMT Quote Think about the waiter taking your order in a restaurant, and then walking away scratching his arse. Could you really enjoy your meal after that
BigSETXjock Posts: 391	Aug 13, 2008 10:22 PM GMT Quote Uh... most people who have been to clothing optional resorts know that regardless of how the patrons are dressed or undressed, the staff is required by health code to be covered.
Musclebucket Posts: 86	Aug 13, 2008 10:23 PM GMT Quote The fact that our country was founded by a group of very uptight religious folks called the Puritans has also contributed significantly to American attitudes towards nudity...the Europeans are much less uptight about public nudity.
Buffyfan84 Posts: 143	Aug 13, 2008 10:25 PM GMT Quote Religious issue or not, I'm against public nudity unless it is in permissible areas . The innocence of a child is so precious these days. I'm not saying nudity is something that should be shunned or made to feel guilty about, but like others have said, leave it in its place. Furthermore, do we really need to see erections in public places such as the mall, Wal-Mart (ha-ha), or the local grocery store?
MikePhilPerez Posts: 2931	Aug 13, 2008 10:25 PM GMT Quote Imagine being in a Q at the bank for example, and there's a hot guy in front of you, and it's one of those days that is raining, and there's not much room in the bank, so everyone is crammed in out of the rain Think about it
5537B00B Posts: 195	Aug 13, 2008 10:30 PM GMT Quote MikePhil saidImagine being in a Q at the bank for example, and there's a hot guy in front of you, and it's one of those days that is raining, and there's not much room in the bank, so everyone is crammed in out of the rain Think about it Oh, I'm thinking about it. Everyone smells like a wet dog, giant asses are rubbing up against me (not in a good way), and the hot guy will probably punch me in the face and call me a fag for staring at his ass. No thanks.
MikePhilPerez Posts: 2931	Aug 13, 2008 11:16 PM GMT Quote 5537B00B said MikePhil saidImagine being in a Q at the bank for example, and there's a hot guy in front of you, and it's one of those days that is raining, and there's not much room in the bank, so everyone is crammed in out of the rain Think about it Oh, I'm thinking about it. Everyone smells like a wet dog, giant asses are rubbing up against me (not in a good way), and the hot guy will probably punch me in the face and call me a fag for staring at his ass. No thanks. Oh, I'm talking so crammed, you can't stare at his ass. All you can stare at is the back of his head, and you are wondering when he will turn around to see who is poking his ass Anyway, no thanks again. This is why God gave us an intelligent brain. Public nudity should never be aloud.
paradox Posts: 1521	Aug 13, 2008 11:28 PM GMT Quote MikePhil saidPublic nudity should never be aloud. Never trussed yore spellchecker.
Sedative Posts: 5570	Aug 14, 2008 12:14 AM GMT Quote paradox said MikePhil saidPublic nudity should never be aloud. Never trussed yore spellchecker. Why note? Nothing shoes up red.
Limited Posts: 46	Aug 14, 2008 1:59 AM GMT Quote I sure in the hell would NEVER want to see some of these fat people naked in public...EW!
muchmorethanm... Posts: 2814	Aug 14, 2008 2:06 AM GMT Quote It's also a matter of maintaining sanitary conditions. Some people just aren't very clean and I don't want any of that around me.
GuiltyGear Posts: 2904	Aug 14, 2008 2:38 AM GMT Quote Ok, not going to flame you, but guy, think about this. Social homeostasis is WHAT elevates us among the animals, who do run around naked, but only because they don't know any better. Apart from a sanitary aspect (clothes provide an extra layer of protection from contamination), but WE ARE SEXUAL BEINGS. On a level that is not like animals, our brains react to nakedness in ways that are a bit OBVIOUS. Almost automatically, nakedness = sex in most people's mind. And, as you know, the mind can behave quite irrationally when it comes to sex. Have you read the forums about trolls, who are mostly rational men until they see a hot naked body. I've gotten groped and have seen people groped: thank god for clothes or I don't want to imagine were those fingers could go in a split second. She was askin for it: this is a popular term used by rapist. I could never agree, but if a girl went outside NAKED...come on (she's askin for it). He was askin for it!! Someone like MuchMore ventures outside naked...OMG, I ...uh...what I mean is...well...damn.
swimbikerun Posts: 926	Aug 14, 2008 2:48 AM GMT Quote GuiltyGear said Ok, not going to flame you, but guy, think about this. Social homeostasis is WHAT elevates us among the animals, who do run around naked, but only because they don't know any better. Apart from a sanitary aspect (clothes provide an extra layer of protection from contamination), but WE ARE SEXUAL BEINGS. On a level that is not like animals, our brains react to nakedness in ways that are a bit OBVIOUS. Almost automatically, nakedness = sex in most people's mind. And, as you know, the mind can behave quite irrationally when it comes to sex. Have you read the forums about trolls, who are mostly rational men until they see a hot naked body. I've gotten groped and have seen people groped: thank god for clothes or I don't want to imagine were those fingers could go in a split second. She was askin for it: this is a popular term used by rapist. I could never agree, but if a girl went outside NAKED...come on (she's askin for it). He was askin for it!! Someone like MuchMore ventures outside naked...OMG, I ...uh...what I mean is...well...damn. That's a very primative mindset of nudism. Just because someone is naked, it is not automatically an invitation to commit a violent sexual act against them. Why would you joke about rape?
hagerstowncat... Posts: 36	Aug 14, 2008 2:51 AM GMT Quote Bearcub17 is more than welcome to run around my house naked I'm all for public nudity but in a more controlled environment like certain areas are nude and certain areas are clothed (like restaurants)
GuiltyGear Posts: 2904	Aug 14, 2008 3:04 AM GMT Quote swimbikerun said That's a very primative mindset of nudism. Just because someone is naked, it is not automatically an invitation to commit a violent sexual act against them. Why would you joke about rape? Watch it hot shorts, I was not joking about rape. I was just tying in my first opinion that people WHO ARE NOT NUDISTS behave erratically around sexual stimulus. In a public setting, no one is going to be having this zen state of mind you speak of and in a world that is already dangerous to women I was just trying to impress upon the OP that clothes also serve to cool hot primal desires in otherwise rational people. I WOULD NEVER COMMIT RAPE, but even when I see a hot man in clothes, this is true, I sometime have to sit down and collect myself. I get very hot and my eyes start watering. My fist clench and I feel faint. The sexual desires the man's sexiness conjure up are the problem not whether or not he's clothed. Now, I'm a rational man. IF HE WERE NAKED...I do not doubt, I might pass out completely. This is a reaction I can control because he isn't. What other intense mental reactions to sex are people walking around with that might be unleashed with the stimulus of public nudity? What does that say of the irrational? I think many men in society would agree: cover up, some of us are just plain crazy.
zeebyaboi Posts: 525	Aug 14, 2008 3:09 AM GMT Quote I'm really astounded. All these guys on here putting up pics of themselves with almost nothing on in order to impress everyone else as to how buffed and beautiful they are, and then they get all prudish about nudity. Sounds pretty elitist to me - or maybe it's some kind of perverted self-loathing. I personally couldn't care less if people walked around naked as long as they kept a towel or sarong to sit on when using a public seat for hygene reasons. I've been to many naturist beaches and clubs, and of course the spa where everyone is naked, and I see all kinds of bodies, and I don't really go out of my way to pass judgement. Only the U.S. has such strong taboos against nudity in public, and that's still based directly on the self-hatred passed down to us by The Puritans, a sick society if ever there was one. Most of western Europe does not have such taboos, not to mention many Third World countries or areas of The Tropics. I've certainly seen my share of fat naked Samoans, and it doesn't bother me at all.
swimbikerun Posts: 926	Aug 14, 2008 3:32 AM GMT Quote GuiltyGear said Watch it hot shorts, I was not joking about rape. I was just tying in my first opinion that people WHO ARE NOT NUDISTS behave erratically around sexual stimulus. In a public setting, no one is going to be having this zen state of mind you speak of and in a world that is already dangerous to women I was just trying to impress upon the OP that clothes also serve to cool hot primal desires in otherwise rational people. I WOULD NEVER COMMIT RAPE, but even when I see a hot man in clothes, this is true, I sometime have to sit down and collect myself. I get very hot and my eyes start watering. My fist clench and I feel faint. The sexual desires the man's sexiness conjure up are the problem not whether or not he's clothed. Now, I'm a rational man. IF HE WERE NAKED...I do not doubt, I might pass out completely. This is a reaction I can control because he isn't. What other intense mental reactions to sex are people walking around with that might be unleashed with the stimulus of public nudity? What does that say of the irrational? I think many men in society would agree: cover up, some of us are just plain crazy. Again, you seem to be basing your opinions on some unknown people who you predict will do something. The fact is, there are currently public venues where nudity occurs: locker rooms, beaches, resorts, all kinds of places and we've yet to hear of the kinds of rampant activity you say will happen.
GuiltyGear Posts: 2904	Aug 14, 2008 3:46 AM GMT Quote These venues have rational and understood boundaries and hardly contain a sample of the population large enough to account for the whole shabang. PUBLIC is not contained, cannot be contained. I'm telling you that without boundaries there are none. Clothes represent a boundary, which is why nudity is not allowed out on the floor at gyms or on some sections of the beach. Even in these venues boundaries exist. Public life of it's own is still very wild and relies largely on implied boundaries. What does public nudity imply? LOL, everyone follows the rules: everyone practices nudist ideals. LOL, where did you get those rose colored glasses?
swimbikerun Posts: 926	Aug 14, 2008 3:52 AM GMT Quote GuiltyGear said These venues have rational and understood boundaries. PUBLIC is not contained, cannot be contained. I'm telling you that without boundaries there are none. I'm not sure I understand your argument. Folsom Street Fair, Bay to Breakers, and other venues occur in a public (as opposed to private) settings and yet rapes and other sexual crimes do not occur in higher proportion. Just because people are naked does not mean anarchy sets in and all laws are forgotten. Burningman is another venue where large groups of people are naked, free to do as they please but must still obey laws regarding violent crimes.
GuiltyGear Posts: 2904	Aug 14, 2008 4:04 AM GMT Quote Yes, all of these venues can be contained and do not represent all of society. Plus, I wasn't implying that violent crimes would automatically go up. I said, there is no telling how people on a mass scale would react to public nudity. I used myself as an example: I truly believe I would faint and not only around hot men, but really, nakedness period makes me feel faint. This is just me, what other strange reactions to nudity are lurking around in people's heads? you don't know. A covering up of the sexual stimulus, "naked flesh" keeps these reactions at bay in normally "rational" people. We are both guessing here to whether or not people could contain themselves in a public nudity setting. So far, you have brought up monitored events and venues that really, are not even public, but exclusive to the group that participate in them. A group that hardly represents society as a whole.
swimbikerun Posts: 926	Aug 14, 2008 4:46 AM GMT Quote GuiltyGear said Yes, all of these venues can be contained and do not represent all of society. Plus, I wasn't implying that violent crimes would automatically go up. I said, there is no telling how people on a mass scale would react to public nudity. I used myself as an example: I truly believe I would faint and not only around hot men, but really, nakedness period makes me feel faint. This is just me, what other strange reactions to nudity are lurking around in people's heads? you don't know. A covering up of the sexual stimulus, "naked flesh" keeps these reactions at bay in normally "rational" people. We are both guessing here to whether or not people could contain themselves in a public nudity setting. So far, you have brought up monitored events and venues that really, are not even public, but exclusive to the group that participate in them. A group that hardly represents society as a whole. So what exactly are you saying the reactions of people would be? Black's beach is a public venue and on any summer weekend there are vast amounts of naked people and yet California still seems to keep going on. Cap d'Agde [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cap_d%27Agde[/url], "Naked City" in the south of France is, in fact, a city where nudism is tolerated and yet society still seems to function day after day, year after year. None of this is left up to any "guessing". All of these venues and the ones I've mentioned previously all are monitored, as any place society is by authorities. There's even a town in Vermont where people walk around naked.
muchmorethanm... Posts: 2814	Aug 14, 2008 4:54 AM GMT Quote It seems apparent to me that Big G (to the second power) equates nakedness with sex. Or at least with people whom he finds physically attractive. Most people do. I for one don't and because I've had this intrinsic belief since way back when I believe it gets me into trouble with others. Usually the first thing I do when I get home is strip down and all I'm wearing is a pair of sandals or flip flops in my apartment. I don't know where I'm going with this. But once I was in Costa Rica in Quepos and my friend and I went to the beach and we were the only ones there. It wasn't a nudist beach but since there was no one in site I wanted to play on the beach naked. It was amazing. My friend went to sleep and I went body surfing in the water. I felt like I was Adam from the bible and this whole paradise was mine. Had I been with other people at a nudist beach I wouldn't feel comfortable. Even though we're all there naked I would not feel very safe. I guess I'm a closet nudist. There was no real point to my rant. I just got carried away on several different yet related thoughts.
GuiltyGear Posts: 2904	Aug 14, 2008 5:12 AM GMT Quote SwimBikeRun, you're right. Although, I stand by my initial opinion that these enclaves of human existance you mentioned are too exclusive and too obscure to count. I'm just glad I don't live in these places because my nose would be in a perpetual state of bloodletting. MuchMore, THAT entire post was just hot as fuck.
jimbo3 Posts: 9	Aug 14, 2008 5:53 AM GMT Quote I think being naked is fine. I grew up with hippie parents and nudity was not even an issue. When I was about 8 years old I was at a friends house and their neighbor was sitting on his front porch nude, smoking a cigarette. He wasn't doing anything rude or sexual. As children we didn't even think it was that weird. Maybe if you guys had been exposed to nudity all the time it wouldn't be such a big deal. Maybe some of you need to be exposed to more fat people since it seem to bother you so much. After a while you would just think of them as people and not "fat people".
looknrnd Posts: 617	Aug 14, 2008 5:55 AM GMT Quote I haven't read all the posts, but am I the only one that finds it odd that the poster is promoting the legalization of Public Nudity but has his private pics locked? Just a thought... On a less liberal note, why should I have to see naked people in public? It's not something I'd enjoy, and seeing as civilized society has been going out clothed for a number of millenniums...why in the hell should we feel the need to see someone naked in public now? Also, as a Gay man, wouldn't this put designers and associated companies out of business? That's not going to happen in our Capitalistic society. Sorry... I advise all promoters of Public Nudity to spend their energy promoting the resolution of much more interesting subjects - such as starvation, poverty, dictatorships, genocides, and the sex slave trade. Waste my braincells on this subject once all that stuff is taken care of.
GuiltyGear Posts: 2904	Aug 14, 2008 6:15 AM GMT Quote I'm just thinking about how I sometimes spring wood while out.
Hidden/Deleted Member	Aug 14, 2008 6:20 AM GMT Quote GuiltyGear said I'm just thinking about how I sometimes spring wood on the morning bus. One is also sure, these people would be even less amused, if it started too spit chips.
GuiltyGear Posts: 2904	Aug 14, 2008 7:19 AM GMT Quote Its only done that once. The nurse gave me something for it. Nice lady, she didn't have to give me the sweet tasting antibiotics.
MikemikeMike Posts: 1096	Aug 14, 2008 7:29 AM GMT Quote Go to a nude beach- I do. Or camping no one can tell you what to wear and not to wear in the middle of nowhere!
Hidden/Deleted Member	Aug 14, 2008 7:43 AM GMT Quote But where would one put their wallet? I suppose it would give the foreskin a use.
mindgarden Posts: 1433	Aug 14, 2008 4:50 PM GMT Quote Pattison saidBut where would one put their wallet? Velcro + body hair or Clip your pocket hardware to your body piercing rings: finally a practical use!
Sedative Posts: 5570	Aug 14, 2008 7:28 PM GMT Quote mindgarden said Pattison saidBut where would one put their wallet? Velcro + body hair or Clip your pocket hardware to your body piercing rings: finally a practical use! OUCH AND OUCH!
blink777 Posts: 499	Aug 14, 2008 7:32 PM GMT Quote Pattison saidBut where would one put their wallet? You know, if anyone could figure this issue out, it would be gay guys...
swimbikerun Posts: 926	Aug 14, 2008 7:45 PM GMT Quote Ankle wallet
BearCub17 Posts: 228	Aug 14, 2008 7:55 PM GMT Quote mwah hah hah, i stir up yet another string of rousing debates. Check for this week=)
Fiveldsp Posts: 68	Aug 14, 2008 8:00 PM GMT Quote I've always been an advocate for public nudity. And for me, it's not about seeing other people naked or being grossed out by obese nakedness, but it's about what I feel comfortable doing. I don't see why people can't drive around in their own cars naked, or why they can't walk down the street with their dog naked. I don't think that restaurants or produce stores should necessarily be clothing optional for hygiene and health purposes... but it does seem very limiting in our society that such a firm hand is in place on this issue. For the few of us out there that do enjoy public nudity, we are forced into the very few number of clothing optional resorts, beaches and clubs around the country as if we had lepracy or something. Too many people see nudity in a sexual sense instead of just a human being without clothing. I'm with ya 100% on this one BearCub
lilmann Posts: 488	Aug 14, 2008 8:07 PM GMT Quote If I could be naked all the time, better believe I woule ;)
LyteFyre Posts: 267	Aug 14, 2008 8:15 PM GMT Quote Pattison saidBut where would one put their wallet? I suppose it would give the foreskin a use. Actually I saw a stripper put his tips under his foreskin...hate it if he got a papercut from it!
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