Hugo Chavez's allies start smear campaign against Venezuela's new 'Jewish and gay' opposition leader

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    Feb 17, 2012 8:38 PM GMT
    Hugo Chavez's allies start smear campaign against Venezuela's new 'Jewish and gay' opposition leader


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2101469/Allies-Hugo-Chavez-start-smear-campaign-Venezuelas-new-Jewish-gay-opposition-leader.html
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    Feb 17, 2012 9:15 PM GMT
    Imagine that, a leftwing extremist leader smearing someone over being gay.
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    Feb 18, 2012 8:03 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie saidImagine that, a leftwing extremist leader smearing someone over being gay.


    he's a totalitarian who brooks no interference from his opponents. it doesn't matter if they are gay or not; he sees an enemy/rival and attacks. he'd do the same if he was a rt wing dictator. totalitarianism is totalitarianism.
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    Feb 18, 2012 8:27 PM GMT
    Chavez is an asshole. He's gonna pick on everything possible to get an edge on his opponents. Being gay and Jewish just makes it easier on him cause there's lots of gay jokes and Jew jokes he can get ammo from. In other words, he's unoriginal.
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    Feb 18, 2012 8:50 PM GMT
    tailgater_3 said
    mocktwinkie saidImagine that, a leftwing extremist leader smearing someone over being gay.


    he's a totalitarian who brooks no interference from his opponents. it doesn't matter if they r gay or not, he just sees an enemy/rival and attacks. he'd do the same if he was a rt wing dictator. totalitarianism is totalitarianism.


    Leftwing policies and societal action are what lead to totalitarianism, whether that totalitarianism turns out to be perceived as "rightwing" (fascist) or "leftwing" (communist) it all stems from people putting too much trust and power in the hands of government, a political leader or party and exchanging their freedom for security to "do what's best for everyone". It always potentially creates the hitlers and castros and kim jong ills of the world.
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    Feb 18, 2012 8:57 PM GMT
    Let's not forget that Chavez original sin was moving away from selling his oil with currencies other than the dollar. Had he not done this, his other 'errors' in judgement would have been fine with the US just like with Egypts leader, Irans shah, and the leader of Yemen, who we are now helping out in his personal crisis. The US isn't nearly as interested in forwarding Democracy as it is in forwarding its 'interests' such as holding up the value of the dollar by making sure it stays the primary currency used in selling oil.

    Check me out, don't take my word for it, check out all the research done by GlobalResearch.com, find out the connection between losing favor with the US and becoming a member of the 'axis of evil' in the Middle East as soon as they chose trading in other currencies for Oil sales. Iraq, Lybia, ( Afghanistan- they didn't want our oil pipeline crossing its territory from the Caspian Sea Oil basin) Now Iran. Like I said, as long as these country's went along with the US control program, they were fine, as soon as they started trading their oil in other than the Dollar, all their other 'sins' started suddenly to have significance.

    Its all a very interesting story if you'll take the time to research it.
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    Feb 18, 2012 9:01 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie said
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    mocktwinkie saidImagine that, a leftwing extremist leader smearing someone over being gay.


    he's a totalitarian who brooks no interference from his opponents. it doesn't matter if they r gay or not, he just sees an enemy/rival and attacks. he'd do the same if he was a rt wing dictator. totalitarianism is totalitarianism.


    Leftwing policies and societal action are what lead to totalitarianism, whether that totalitarianism turns out to be perceived as "rightwing" (fascist) or "leftwing" (communist) it all stems from people putting too much trust and power in the hands of government, a political leader or party and exchanging their freedom for security to "do what's best for everyone". It always potentially creates the hitlers and castros and kim jong ills of the world.



    I think you make a good point. This is why we like Paul, to get the Government in a 'side car', not the driver or a back seat driver. But Security is still a good thing. LOL just thought I'd throw that in because I don't see that as left or right.
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    Feb 28, 2012 3:01 AM GMT
    Chavez may have bigger problems:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/hugo-chavez-may-have-aggressive-tumor-cancer-experts-say/2012/02/25/gIQAgGuKaR_story.html
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    Feb 28, 2012 4:55 AM GMT
    Wolverine4 saidChavez may have bigger problems:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/hugo-chavez-may-have-aggressive-tumor-cancer-experts-say/2012/02/25/gIQAgGuKaR_story.html
    Couldnt have happened to a nicer guy!
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    Feb 29, 2012 8:29 PM GMT
    Pouncer said!Viva Chavez y viva la República Bolivariana de Venezuela!

    !Una sociedad socialista triunfante en América Latina!


    the socialist state he "created" will die w/ him. the military is chomping at the bit 2 take back control. que se vaya bien.
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    Mar 01, 2012 3:23 PM GMT
    i've studied Latin American history, and will live in Ecuador this summer (my 2nd extended stay there). anyone who knows even a modicum of Latin American history knows the prevalence of "strong men" there.

    Pres. Chavez is a "strong man," yet he is only human. he'll die. the changes 2 the Venezuelan constitution will out live him. he "suggested" those changes 2 remain in power. the changes only make it easier 4 another "strong man" 2 take over the country. pobre Velenzuela.
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    Mar 01, 2012 3:26 PM GMT
    Imagine that. Why do the "Jews" and "Gays" get blamed for everything? First of all the two have nothing to do with each other. Most Jews aren't gay. I get it that both groups are generally liberal, but cmon there's a million other groups to blame and generally it falls on those two. What gives?
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    Mar 01, 2012 9:09 PM GMT
    I've always maintained that right-wing homophobic nutjobs and left-wing communist crazies have more in common than they're willing to admit.
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    Mar 02, 2012 12:29 AM GMT
    Pouncer said
    Chavez is a democratic socialist, re-elected multiple times by his people.
    And so was Assad, Ahmadinejad, Gaddafi, Duvalier, Marcos, Itno, Biya, Mugabe, et al
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    Mar 02, 2012 2:21 AM GMT
    Venezuela has 1 of the highest inflation and unemployment rates in the world. actually, Pres. Chavez reminds me of another "strong man." Vladimir Putin, who maneuvered the constitution, and the election process so that he can remain in de facto power until (possibly) 2024. this is what democracy looks like?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Venezuela
    http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/01/10542779-could-vladimir-putin-be-in-power-until-2024-10-key-questions-about-russias-elections
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    Mar 02, 2012 2:43 PM GMT
    Pouncer said
    TropicalMark said
    Pouncer said
    Chavez is a democratic socialist, re-elected multiple times by his people.
    And so was Assad, Ahmadinejad, Gaddafi, Duvalier, Marcos, Itno, Biya, Mugabe, et al


    Assad wasn't democratically elected - he was an American lackey.
    Qaddafi wasn't democratically elected - he was an American lackey.
    Marcos wasn't democratically elected - he was an American lackey.
    Duvalier wasn't democratically elected - he was an American lackey.

    Biya was democratically elected, and if anything is a lackey of France (the former colonial power in Cameroon).
    Mugabe has never been elected fairly and is simply the black tyrant replacement of his white tyrant predecessor Ian Smith (an American/European lackey).

    tailgater_3 saidVenezuela has 1 of the highest inflation and unemployment rates in the world. actually, Pres. Chavez reminds me of another "strong man." Vladimir Putin, who maneuvered the constitution, and the election process so that he can remain in de facto power until (possibly) 2024. this is what democracy looks like?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Venezuela
    http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/01/10542779-could-vladimir-putin-be-in-power-until-2024-10-key-questions-about-russias-elections


    Venezuela had even higher 'inflation' rates before Chavez took office. Plus, unlike America's guys, liberty means more than prosperity to Chavez, just as the people mean more than profits.

    From your own source:
    "Historically, the highest yearly inflation was 99.9% in 1996"
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Venezuela#1999_-_present
    (That's before Chavez came to power, Einstein).

    Say, Vladimir Putin...
    Could you mean the 'once-again democratically elected Vladimir Putin'?
    (Advice: if you don't like Russia's oligarchs, it might've been an idea not to screw Gorbachev whilst lying to him about NATO, hint hint).
    Im sorry pouncer.. but your facts here are dead wrong. I dont debate with those who deliberately post false factual data.

    see ya!
    Sorry that you hate being an "American lackey".. join your buds, its a nice group ok?
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    Mar 02, 2012 9:52 PM GMT
    Guys, I think you already understand that you are dealing with someone who, uber alles, is anti-US/West/Israel.
    Not pro-democratic, though he likes to conjure that when convenient.

    He maintains that Hamas - which seized all power in a violent coup supported by only 20% of Palestinian Arabs and which opposes further elections - is the legitimate government. Despite running the directly elected president out of Gaza. Going as far as to say that Palestinian Arab voters knew they would suspend further elections (he claimed they campaigned as such) and that thus a 43% plurality can forever vote away democracy (that the al Sabah family was once elected in Kuwait, though, is insufficient).

    He supports Hizbullah and the non-democratic veto they hold in Lebanon. Despite only getting about 10% of the vote, they were the only militia which renegged on the Taif Agreement (the treaty which ended the bloody Lebanese civil war, with all other militias = political parties - disarming). What does he find appealing about Hizbullah? Surely not its adherence to democratic or liberal principles or their adherence to international law (re the UN Special Tribunal for Lebanon which found it responsible for the suicide bombing which assassinated the Lebanese Prime Minister - just as 30 years ago they assassinated the Lebanese President for daring to contemplate a peace agreement with Israel). So what is it that makes this nutcase embrace Hizbullah as he does Hamas? That they are anti-Israel and that prior to 9/11 were the terrorist group that had murdered the most Americans.

    This is the same nutjob who assured us just over a year ago that the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt only has 100,000 supporters and would never be elected. Adding that he wouldn't want to live under their rule. A few months later he was gloating that they were likely to win the election.

    Indeed, after telling us how peaceful they are, allegedly having abandoned violence decades ago, in support of Assad he raised the alarm that the insurgents were none other than the dreadful Muslim Brotherhood.

    A couple weeks later he celebrated their victory in Egypt.
    Check that: he wouldn't himself want to live under the rule of the Muslim Brotherhood.
    For the cause, though, he'd happily sacrifice 82 million Egyptians to suffer them.

    And if you think the above isn't sufficient lunacy, wait till he gets to Iran. That regime he claims is democratic, despite the vetting of candidates. When Ahmadinejad threatens to destroy Israel he gets a woody, but for "damage control" explains that he's not the person in power, but the [unelected!] "Suprreme Leader", an Ayatollah, is. How's that a democracy, again?

    Despite the massive demonstrations 3 years ago, propaganda pouncer opined:

    Ayatrollah pouncer> Iran is NOT cracking down brutally on its own protesters. Probably because Iran doesn't HAVE protesters in the kind of numbers it would take to mount any serious challenge to the government (this in a country of nearly 80 million people).

    He must get all his news from the regime controlled PressTV - you know, the "free" press which reported that there were but "scores" of deaths in Syria when the death toll was already in the thousands....

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1443151

    Sitting away in his mom's basement with nothing to do, this is how he gets his kicks.
    Be it New Year's Eve or Valentines day.
    A Gollum of sorts, a diseased mind sick on hate.
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    Mar 03, 2012 6:20 AM GMT
    i always know when someone doesn't believe their own argument. the name calling begins. there r 2 RJers who readily come 2 mind.... (Festinger: 1956) icon_wink.gif