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The moral of the story is don't think you can lead others when you can't lead yourself out of the closet.

edit: Perhaps it was the double standards on his view on illegal immigration that is at issue rather than that he is gay. But anyways, in today's much-more-accepting society, that moral still applies.

Does being gay mean you should be pro illegal immigration?

sdgman saidDoes being gay mean you should be pro illegal immigration?

That's not what this story is about. He was dating a supposed illegal immigrant and that was okay with him, but then allegedly threatened his ex with deportation if word got out about their former relationship.

endo said

PeteInVenice said

Heh. My friend took that picture. They've been to pool parties at their house several times. I didn't know that Paul Babeu wasn't out.

I've always known he was gay too. It was no secret here in AZ. Not sure it was something that needed to be broadcast as national news, but what he did in terms of threatening his BF with deportation was inexcusable.

coolarmydude said

sdgman saidDoes being gay mean you should be pro illegal immigration?

That's not what this story is about. He was dating a supposed illegal immigrant and that was okay with him, but then allegedly threatened his ex with deportation if word got out about their former relationship.

edit: Perhaps it was the double standards on his view on illegal immigration that is at issue rather than that he is gay. But anyways, in today's much-more-accepting society, that moral still applies.

Now let's see Jan Brewer point her finger in Babeu's face. LOL!

Ummm, in case you aren't aware, he didn't actually threaten his boyfriend with deportation. This is a case of a jilted lover seeking revenge. The only truth among the accusations is that Babeu is indeed gay. Beyond that, it's all fabrications.

endo saidWe just have some mutual friends. I've met Jose once at a pool party. I haven't met Paul.

According to my friends, Jose had a serious breakdown when he caught Paul cheating and they broke up.

So this Sheriff cheated on the guy he subsequently threatened to deport? But how could he have been dating an illegal alien, as a county sheriff and candidate for Congress? Hadn't he supported a fence to keep out Mexicans? Except maybe for those he dates? He must have known he was illegal, or how could he threaten to deport him?

No, wait, his BF was here on a legal visa, not illegal at all, so that's OK. But the Sheriff was going to charge that the visa had expired, when it hadn't, once they broke up due to his own cheating. And not difficult to export Mexicans, quite a few cases where even naturalized or native-born US citizens have been wrongfully deported to Mexico in the current frenzy to expel based on racial profiling. So quite a believable threat from a powerful County Sheriff.

This Sheriff may have resigned from a volunteer position with the Romney campaign, but what about his official position with the County, and his own Republican candidacy for Congress? By this same time Democrat leaders were already calling for incumbent Democratic Congressman Weiner to resign, which he did, just for having nude pics online, but nothing involving possible misuse of his official office regarding an ex gay BF like this Sheriff allegedly has.

I'm not hearing anything from the GOP in this case. Have there been statements I've missed? Not very high profile if there were, not like Weiner.

bwinter00 saidUmmm, in case you aren't aware, he didn't actually threaten his boyfriend with deportation. This is a case of a jilted lover seeking revenge. The only truth among the accusations is that Babeu is indeed gay. Beyond that, it's all fabrications.

Perhaps you aren't aware that Babeu's lawyer and his political campaign consultant allegedly reported to Jose's lawyer that Jose was in the country illegally and that slick Babeu claims that he thought Jose was legal when questioned by reporters. Now why would Babeu's lawyer and consultant do such a thing???

coolarmydude said

sdgman saidDoes being gay mean you should be pro illegal immigration?

That's not what this story is about. He was dating a supposed illegal immigrant and that was okay with him, but then allegedly threatened his ex with deportation if word got out about their former relationship.

The Ex wasn't an illegal alien....

sdgman said

coolarmydude said

sdgman saidDoes being gay mean you should be pro illegal immigration?

That's not what this story is about. He was dating a supposed illegal immigrant and that was okay with him, but then allegedly threatened his ex with deportation if word got out about their former relationship.

The Ex wasn't an illegal alien....

But that's not what Babeu's lawyer and political consultant told Jose's lawyer, which would make for intimidation by Babeu's campaign, especially if not true.

Either way, this doesn't bode well for Babeu.

If Babeu is really clean, let's see how long he keeps his lawyer and political consultant.

Too late. They should have been fired before he even removed himself from Romney's campaign.

coolarmydude said

sdgman said

coolarmydude said

sdgman saidDoes being gay mean you should be pro illegal immigration?

That's not what this story is about. He was dating a supposed illegal immigrant and that was okay with him, but then allegedly threatened his ex with deportation if word got out about their former relationship.

The Ex wasn't an illegal alien....

But that's not what Babeu's lawyer and political consultant told Jose's lawyer, which would make for intimidation by Babeu's campaign, especially if not true.

Either way, this doesn't bode well for Babeu.

But did that actually happen?

Art_Deco said

endo saidWe just have some mutual friends. I've met Jose once at a pool party. I haven't met Paul.

According to my friends, Jose had a serious breakdown when he caught Paul cheating and they broke up.

So this Sheriff cheated on the guy he subsequently threatened to deport? But how could he have been dating an illegal alien, as a county sheriff and candidate for Congress? Hadn't he supported a fence to keep out Mexicans? Except maybe for those he dates?

No, wait, his BF was here on a legal visa, not illegal at all, so that's OK. But the Sheriff was going to charge that the visa had expired, when it hadn't, once they broke up due to his own cheating. And not difficult to export Mexicans, quite a few cases where even naturalized or native-born US citizens have been wrongfully deported to Mexico in the current frenzy to expel based on racial profiling. So quite a believable threat from a powerful County Sheriff.

This Sheriff may have resigned from a volunteer position with the Romney campaign, but what about his official position with the County, and his own Republican candidacy for Congress? By this same time Democrat leaders were already calling for incumbent Democratic Congressman Weiner to resign, which he did, just for having nude pics online, but nothing involving possible misuse of his official office regarding an ex gay BF like this Sheriff allegedly has.

I'm not hearing anything from the GOP in this case. Have there been statements I've missed? Not very high profile if there were, not like Weiner.

Wow, are you seriously trying to draw parallels to the Anthony Weiner case and trying to make the GOP seem hypocritical? If anything it's the Democrats who are hypocrites, but I digress...

There are several major differences between the Weiner case and Babeu case that I would like to highlight:

1. Weiner was married and cheating on his pregnant wife. That makes him a huge scumbag. Babeu is not married and is perfectly free to exchange pictures, have relationships, carry out his private life as he sees fit (he's not breaking any vows).

2. Weiner LIED and denied the whole situation for several days. THAT in and of itself is why he needed to resign. Babeu, a real man, immediately addressed the situation without every lying or trying to cover it up.

And to address your other falsehoods: Babeu did not misuse his official role because he did not threaten his ex with deportation. At this point it appears as though that is just his jilted lover and the liberal machine trying to bring him down.

This is my assessment based on data available now. Things could change if other details emerge.

sdgman said

coolarmydude said

sdgman said

coolarmydude said

sdgman saidDoes being gay mean you should be pro illegal immigration?

That's not what this story is about. He was dating a supposed illegal immigrant and that was okay with him, but then allegedly threatened his ex with deportation if word got out about their former relationship.

The Ex wasn't an illegal alien....

But that's not what Babeu's lawyer and political consultant told Jose's lawyer, which would make for intimidation by Babeu's campaign, especially if not true.

Either way, this doesn't bode well for Babeu.

But did that actually happen?

Well, there appear to be statements from the ex-BF's lawyer, that they were contacted by the Sheriff's people with a possibly phony threat of deportation. If not true, then any attorneys for the ex could be in serious trouble themselves. Let's hope good records were kept.

bwinter00 said
Wow, are you seriously trying to draw parallels to the Anthony Weiner case and trying to make the GOP seem hypocritical? If anything it's the Democrats who are hypocrites, but I digress...

There are several major differences between the Weiner case and Babeu case that I would like to highlight:

1. Weiner was married and cheating on his pregnant wife. That makes him a huge scumbag. Babeu is not married and is perfectly free to exchange pictures, have relationships, carry out his private life as he sees fit (he's not breaking any vows).

2. Weiner LIED and denied the whole situation for several days. THAT in and of itself is why he needed to resign. Babeu, a real man, immediately addressed the situation without every lying or trying to cover it up.

And to address your other falsehoods: Babeu did not misuse his official role because he did not threaten his ex with deportation. At this point it appears as though that is just his jilted lover and the liberal machine trying to bring him down.

This is my assessment based on data available now. Things could change if other details emerge.

You might want to read this, where the story first broke:

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2012-02-16/news/paul-babeu-s-mexican-ex-lover-says-sheriff-s-attorney-threatened-him-with-deportation/2/

coolarmydude saidYou might want to read this, where the story first broke:

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2012-02-16/news/paul-babeu-s-mexican-ex-lover-says-sheriff-s-attorney-threatened-him-with-deportation/2/

Amazing, reads like a thread here on RJ, about cheating BFs caught on gay dating sites. I wonder if the Sheriff is or has been an RJ member here? Any Arizonans missing lately, or suddenly very quiet?

YVRguy saidWhere in the article did it say that the Sheriff sent naked pics???? For someone who suggested I read the article maybe RickRick91 should read it again.

Besides, I guess in the US anyone who has ever sent an naked pic of themselve to a lover by email is not fit for public office. I mean, who would ever do such a thing!!!! If making a dumb mistake disqualifies anyone for public office I suspect the pool of candidates would be small indeed.

...and with respect to the "bullshit" comment let's see if I understood correctly: the closeted guy's lawyers threatened the BF if he outed the closeted guy, so the closeted guy felt obligated to out him! Uh huh. More likely to me that the lawyers got involved because a jilted BF threatened to out him in the first place. Obviously more to the story than has been reported so far.

(WRT to the Weiner case I thought the scandal was that he was married, which explains why many people found the situation unacceptable, not so much that a naked pic was sent.)

Where to begin responding to the falsehoods you posted?

First of all, I urged you to get the facts of the scandal not to merely click on the link in this thread.
FYI - there's a little thing called the Internet.
You can search for information there but if you're too lazy - here you go.
http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2012-02-16/news/paul-babeu-s-mexican-ex-lover-says-sheriff-s-attorney-threatened-him-with-deportation/
This article cites the xrated pics sent online by Baboner.

And also FYI - Baboner was in a commited relationship with the ex-boyfriend when he sent the naked erect dick pic online - so he was cheating just like Weiner.

And Baboner DID lie about all this.
He claimed that the ex-boyfriend was merely a business associate!

If Weiner defiled his office and constituents with his actions then Babeu defiled his office and constituents with his actions.

If Weiner had to resign for his actions then Babeu has to resign for same actions.

That's the only "fair and balanced" response to this scandal.

You're just making excuses for Baboner because he's a Repub and so are you.

Typical Repub double standard hypocrisy

bwinter00 saidThis is my assessment based on data available now. Things could change if other details emerge.

Except you omit that Democratic leaders quickly condemned Weiner, while the Repub response here is, shall we say, muted? To them, messing around with gay guys is the worst possible offense, so where are their reactions? They were curiously myopic when it came to Louisiana Senator David Vitter, too, who also cheated on his wife and children.

Also, read the details already available a little closer. There are copies of Babeu's text messages, and other evidence in hand. He violated a consensual agreement and tracked Jose down over Christmas. I'm afraid this guy is cooked.

Sheriff Babeu will now experience "first hand" the same social conservative prejudice that other gay Arizonans face everyday ... as well as well the "fallout" from anti-Latino social conservatives for dating a non-US Latino man.

Discuss!!

Art_Deco said

sdgman said

coolarmydude said

sdgman said

coolarmydude said

sdgman saidDoes being gay mean you should be pro illegal immigration?

That's not what this story is about. He was dating a supposed illegal immigrant and that was okay with him, but then allegedly threatened his ex with deportation if word got out about their former relationship.

The Ex wasn't an illegal alien....

But that's not what Babeu's lawyer and political consultant told Jose's lawyer, which would make for intimidation by Babeu's campaign, especially if not true.

Either way, this doesn't bode well for Babeu.

But did that actually happen?

Well, there appear to be statements from the ex-BF's lawyer, that they were contacted by the Sheriff's people with a possibly phony threat of deportation. If not true, then any attorneys for the ex could be in serious trouble themselves. Let's hope good records were kept.

what trouble would that be? I could say you told me whatever I want, who cares?

I suspect that neither side is guilt free, but the glee over this Sheriff's situation is a bit disturbing. He is a Republican, but I've never heard that he is anti gay.

coolarmydude said

sdgman said

coolarmydude said

sdgman saidDoes being gay mean you should be pro illegal immigration?

That's not what this story is about. He was dating a supposed illegal immigrant and that was okay with him, but then allegedly threatened his ex with deportation if word got out about their former relationship.

The Ex wasn't an illegal alien....

But that's not what Babeu's lawyer and political consultant told Jose's lawyer, which would make for intimidation by Babeu's campaign, especially if not true.

Either way, this doesn't bode well for Babeu.

With the naked erect dick pic Baboner sent online it's Weinergate part two - BABONERGATE!

RickRick91 said

coolarmydude said

sdgman said

coolarmydude said

sdgman saidDoes being gay mean you should be pro illegal immigration?

That's not what this story is about. He was dating a supposed illegal immigrant and that was okay with him, but then allegedly threatened his ex with deportation if word got out about their former relationship.

The Ex wasn't an illegal alien....

But that's not what Babeu's lawyer and political consultant told Jose's lawyer, which would make for intimidation by Babeu's campaign, especially if not true.

Either way, this doesn't bode well for Babeu.

With the naked erect dick pic Baboner sent online it's Weinergate part two - BABONERGATE!

Again...I demand proof... PLEASE lol

sdgman said
what trouble would that be? I could say you told me whatever I want, who cares?

Apparently you do since you "demand proof!"

coolarmydude saidNow let's see Jan Brewer point her finger in Babeu's face. LOL!

Yeah, this a good quip.
But seriously, Paul Babeu is so friggin handsome. I could get real friendly with him, and real fast.