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Mitt Romney's Arizona Co-Chair quits and admits he's gay

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    QUOTE Feb 19, 2012 7:16 PM GMT
    zackmorrisfanclub saidSheriff Babeu will now experience "first hand" the same social conservative prejudice that other gay Arizonans face everyday ... as well as well the "fallout" from anti-Latino social conservatives for dating a non-US Latino man.

    Discuss!!
    Then he'll get all jaded and grumpy, and create a sock account here and call himself sou...

    ...nevermind.
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    QUOTE Feb 19, 2012 7:16 PM GMT
    wvufan87 said
    coolarmydude saidNow let's see Jan Brewer point her finger in Babeu's face. LOL!



    Yeah, this a good quip.
    But seriously, Paul Babeu is so friggin handsome. I could get real friendly with him, and real fast.




    Nah.
    He needs to lose the flubby spare tire before he can be called handsome.
    He's average looking.
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    QUOTE Feb 19, 2012 7:19 PM GMT
    coolarmydude said

    You might want to read this, where the story first broke:

    http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2012-02-16/news/paul-babeu-s-mexican-ex-lover-says-sheriff-s-attorney-threatened-him-with-deportation/2/


    Maybe I shouldn't be so quick to jump to Babeu's defense. I shouldn't make rash judgements before the dust settles (which is true for people both sides). I watched his press conference and he seemed genuine, and he had many people speak to his upstanding character. However, at this point, I don't trust anything that comes out of any politician's mouth. I don't want to defend him and then turn around and find out that he was lying the whole time.

    So far this situation is very partisan battle with both sides giving their own story. I'm inclined to believe the sheriff's story. I think the other side is just trying to bring him down in an unfair way. This seems to simply be a relationship gone bitter.

    If Babeu did in fact threaten deportation or make other ruinous threats against Jose, that's unacceptable, and he should be removed from his position.

    You cite the fact that he has retained legal counsel as evidence of his guilt. So by this logic, no innocent person should ever have to hire a lawyer? If you were in his shoes, would you not want legal counsel on your side? These are serious allegations against him, and he is indeed taking them seriously.

    A final note: I admire him for not playing the identity politics game. So many minorities (whether sexual orientation, race, gender, religion, etc.) fall hook, line, and sinker for the Democrats' divide-and-conquer identity politics warfare. Such warfare ultimately weakens our union and destroys our common identity. It's an easy trap to fall into (I was ensnared for years), but it's encouraging to see more and more people emerging from it. Being gay does not mean you have to be liberal, and being a gay conservative doesn't make you a kapo or gay Uncle Tom. One can disagree with certain policies or wings of a political party without being a hypocrite or self-loathing.
  • coolarmydude Posts: 8434
    QUOTE Feb 19, 2012 7:28 PM GMT
    bwinter00 said
    Maybe I shouldn't be so quick to jump to Babeu's defense. I shouldn't make rash judgements before the dust settles (which is true for people both sides). I watched his press conference and he seemed genuine, and he had many people speak to his upstanding character. However, at this point, I don't trust anything that comes out of any politician's mouth. I don't want to defend him and then turn around and find out that he was lying the whole time.

    So far this situation is very partisan battle with both sides giving their own story. I'm inclined to believe the sheriff's story. I think the other side is just trying to bring him down in an unfair way. This seems to simply be a relationship gone bitter.

    If Babeu did in fact threaten deportation or make other ruinous threats against Jose, that's unacceptable, and he should be removed from his position.

    You cite the fact that he has retained legal counsel as evidence of his guilt. So by this logic, no innocent person should ever have to hire a lawyer? If you were in his shoes, would you not want legal counsel on your side? These are serious allegations against him, and he is indeed taking them seriously.

    A final note: I admire him for not playing the identity politics game. So many minorities (whether sexual orientation, race, gender, religion, etc.) fall hook, line, and sinker for the Democrats' divide-and-conquer identity politics warfare. Such warfare ultimately weakens our union and destroys our common identity. It's an easy trap to fall into (I was ensnared for years), but it's encouraging to see more and more people emerging from it. Being gay does not mean you have to be liberal, and being a gay conservative doesn't make you a kapo or gay Uncle Tom. One can disagree with certain policies or wings of a political party without being a hypocrite or self-loathing.


    First of all, I never said that his seeking legal counsel is evidence of his guilt. I questioned how his lawyer and political consultant claimed that Jose was an illegal immigrant to another lawyer, but Babeu says differently to reporters.

    Secondly, could it be the "divide-and-conquer" strategy of Republicans that make gay conservatives so "altruistic" about their own sexual orientation?? [I don't want you to even think that I'm gay just so that you can be comfortable in our vanilla harmony (sarcastic jest, btw)] Think about that one...for a very long time.

    And lastly, if this accusation comes true, which I'm sure it is, then it's nothing less than blatant identity politics on the part of Babeu and his people. (We know how to get rid of a Hispanic in Arizona - just call him an illegal.)
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    QUOTE Feb 19, 2012 7:30 PM GMT
    Oh, and I question the credibility of the Phoenix New Times. So many of those alternative weeklies (and other publications) are sensationalist rags that will exaggerate anything for publicity or increased readership. The fact that the publication reported it doesn't mean it's necessarily true.
  • coolarmydude Posts: 8434
    QUOTE Feb 19, 2012 7:32 PM GMT
    bwinter00 saidOh, and I question the credibility of the Phoenix New Times. So many of those alternative weeklies (and other publications) are sensationalist rags that will exaggerate anything for publicity or increased readership. The fact that the publication reported it doesn't mean it's necessarily true.


    ....or necessarily false.

    Remember, it was the NATIONAL ENQUIRER that first broke the news about John Edwards' affair.
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    QUOTE Feb 19, 2012 7:38 PM GMT
    coolarmydude said
    bwinter00 saidOh, and I question the credibility of the Phoenix New Times. So many of those alternative weeklies (and other publications) are sensationalist rags that will exaggerate anything for publicity or increased readership. The fact that the publication reported it doesn't mean it's necessarily true.


    ....or necessarily false.

    Remember, it was the NATIONAL ENQUIRER that first broke the news about John Edwards' affair.


    True.. but right now it's "he said.. he said"...

    I'm inclined to believe it is true, but I will reserve judgement.
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    QUOTE Feb 19, 2012 7:38 PM GMT
    #Baboner'sA4Apics



    Looks like the Baboner done closed the barn doors after the horse bolted.
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    QUOTE Feb 19, 2012 7:47 PM GMT
    JakeBenson saidAnother reason to legalize Mexicans already living in America: they're everybody's boyfriends nowadays.


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    QUOTE Feb 19, 2012 7:50 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie said
    JakeBenson saidAnother reason to legalize Mexicans already living in America: they're everybody's boyfriends nowadays.




    LOL..love me my Mexican bois
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    QUOTE Feb 19, 2012 7:52 PM GMT
    bwinter00 said
    coolarmydude said

    You might want to read this, where the story first broke:

    http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2012-02-16/news/paul-babeu-s-mexican-ex-lover-says-sheriff-s-attorney-threatened-him-with-deportation/2/


    Maybe I shouldn't be so quick to jump to Babeu's defense. I shouldn't make rash judgements before the dust settles (which is true for people both sides). I watched his press conference and he seemed genuine, and he had many people speak to his upstanding character. However, at this point, I don't trust anything that comes out of any politician's mouth. I don't want to defend him and then turn around and find out that he was lying the whole time.

    So far this situation is very partisan battle with both sides giving their own story. I'm inclined to believe the sheriff's story. I think the other side is just trying to bring him down in an unfair way. This seems to simply be a relationship gone bitter.

    If Babeu did in fact threaten deportation or make other ruinous threats against Jose, that's unacceptable, and he should be removed from his position.

    You cite the fact that he has retained legal counsel as evidence of his guilt. So by this logic, no innocent person should ever have to hire a lawyer? If you were in his shoes, would you not want legal counsel on your side? These are serious allegations against him, and he is indeed taking them seriously.

    A final note: I admire him for not playing the identity politics game. So many minorities (whether sexual orientation, race, gender, religion, etc.) fall hook, line, and sinker for the Democrats' divide-and-conquer identity politics warfare. Such warfare ultimately weakens our union and destroys our common identity. It's an easy trap to fall into (I was ensnared for years), but it's encouraging to see more and more people emerging from it. Being gay does not mean you have to be liberal, and being a gay conservative doesn't make you a kapo or gay Uncle Tom. One can disagree with certain policies or wings of a political party without being a hypocrite or self-loathing.






    What a pile of bullshit.

    It's the Repubs who have used "divide-and-conquer" tricks to try to win votes with their appeals to anti-gay bigots anti-black bigots anti-Latino immigrant bigots.

    It's the Repubs who are waging a war on equal rights for gay Americans.
    They put the anti-gay ballot measures on the ballot in swing states in 2004 to try to help elect Bush.
    They have a specific anti-gay plank in their official party platform.
    They're pandering to the religious right by pushing to amend the Constitution to make gay marriage illegal nationwide in attempt to win votes from anti-gay bigots.

    They've pushed the divisive racist anti-black Southern Strategy for decades.

    They been pushing a lot of severe anti-immigrant legislation to pander to anti-Mexican bigots.

    You have things ass backwards and are trying to rewrite history to bullshit people about the Repubs' record of despicably divisive political games and pandering.
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    QUOTE Feb 19, 2012 7:56 PM GMT
    RickRick91 said
    wvufan87 said
    coolarmydude saidNow let's see Jan Brewer point her finger in Babeu's face. LOL!



    Yeah, this a good quip.
    But seriously, Paul Babeu is so friggin handsome. I could get real friendly with him, and real fast.




    Nah.
    He needs to lose the flubby spare tire before he can be called handsome.
    He's average looking.


    I wish I was that average looking!
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    QUOTE Feb 19, 2012 7:59 PM GMT
    wvufan87 said
    RickRick91 said
    wvufan87 said
    coolarmydude saidNow let's see Jan Brewer point her finger in Babeu's face. LOL!



    Yeah, this a good quip.
    But seriously, Paul Babeu is so friggin handsome. I could get real friendly with him, and real fast.




    Nah.
    He needs to lose the flubby spare tire before he can be called handsome.
    He's average looking.


    I wish I was that average looking!


    He's a hottie.. he could totally pick me up.
  • skyguyWI Posts: 7
    QUOTE Feb 19, 2012 8:00 PM GMT
    YVRguy saidWhere in the article did it say that the Sheriff sent naked pics???? For someone who suggested I read the article maybe RickRick91 should read it again.


    Here's the link to the article in question:
    http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2012-02-16/news/paul-babeu-s-mexican-ex-lover-says-sheriff-s-attorney-threatened-him-with-deportation/

    Page 2 says, "During the previous year, Jose says, Babeu e-mailed explicit photographs of himself to an anonymous man he met on the gay adam4adam.com website." It goes on to say, "He shared with New Times photographs that he claims Babeu e-mailed to the anonymous love interest. In the photographs, the sheriff revealed himself shirtless, in his underwear, and naked from the waist down."

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    QUOTE Feb 19, 2012 8:01 PM GMT
    skyguyWI said
    YVRguy saidWhere in the article did it say that the Sheriff sent naked pics???? For someone who suggested I read the article maybe RickRick91 should read it again.


    Here's the link to the article in question:
    http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2012-02-16/news/paul-babeu-s-mexican-ex-lover-says-sheriff-s-attorney-threatened-him-with-deportation/

    Page 2 says, "During the previous year, Jose says, Babeu e-mailed explicit photographs of himself to an anonymous man he met on the gay adam4adam.com website." It goes on to say, "He shared with New Times photographs that he claims Babeu e-mailed to the anonymous love interest. In the photographs, the sheriff revealed himself shirtless, in his underwear, and naked from the waist down."



    Still.. the ex claims.. no proof (although it wouldn't surprise me)
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    QUOTE Feb 19, 2012 8:08 PM GMT
    AlphaTrigger said#Baboner'sA4Apics



    Looks like the Baboner done closed the barn doors after the horse bolted.





    The 43 year old "studBOI" took down his pics?

    To little too late!
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    QUOTE Feb 19, 2012 8:10 PM GMT
    He didn't take them down.. they are just "private" now.. were they before? Probably.

    That said... Rickrick is hotter.. I'm just sayin'
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    QUOTE Feb 19, 2012 8:12 PM GMT
    sdgman said
    skyguyWI said
    YVRguy saidWhere in the article did it say that the Sheriff sent naked pics???? For someone who suggested I read the article maybe RickRick91 should read it again.


    Here's the link to the article in question:
    http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2012-02-16/news/paul-babeu-s-mexican-ex-lover-says-sheriff-s-attorney-threatened-him-with-deportation/

    Page 2 says, "During the previous year, Jose says, Babeu e-mailed explicit photographs of himself to an anonymous man he met on the gay adam4adam.com website." It goes on to say, "He shared with New Times photographs that he claims Babeu e-mailed to the anonymous love interest. In the photographs, the sheriff revealed himself shirtless, in his underwear, and naked from the waist down."



    Still.. the ex claims.. no proof (although it wouldn't surprise me)






    The pic of Baboners' boner is proof positive and not a mere claim.
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    QUOTE Feb 19, 2012 8:13 PM GMT
    sdgman saidHe didn't take them down.. they are just "private" now.. were they before? Probably.

    That said... Rickrick is hotter.. I'm just sayin'




    Thx.
    And you look better than Baboner does yourself.
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    QUOTE Feb 19, 2012 8:14 PM GMT
    Fact of the matter is:

    People who seek high political office should expect to be kept to higher standards. This probably should include conducting one's private life with an expectation of closer public scrutiny - which would make keeping an A4A or similar account on a hookup site and sending n00dz pics to other folks (who might get an idea to use them against you) a bad idea.

    Aside from that...

    ...this country needs a conservative party that doesn't give a rat's ass about sexual orientation or the fundamentalist whackjobs.

    Having to pick between socialist, identity-politics gaming Democrats and social conservative Republicans is getting tiresome.
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    QUOTE Feb 19, 2012 8:17 PM GMT
    RickRick91 saidThe 43 year old "studBOI" took down his pics?

    To little too late!


    His profile says he is 37.

    I guess lying about one's age on A4A is nothing new (and I thought he looked a tad older than me anyway )
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    QUOTE Feb 19, 2012 8:18 PM GMT
    RickRick91 said
    sdgman saidHe didn't take them down.. they are just "private" now.. were they before? Probably.

    That said... Rickrick is hotter.. I'm just sayin'




    Thx.
    And you look better than Baboner does yourself.


    Then I can count on your vote? ;-P
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    QUOTE Feb 19, 2012 8:25 PM GMT
    AlphaTrigger said
    RickRick91 saidThe 43 year old "studBOI" took down his pics?

    To little too late!


    His profile says he is 37.

    I guess lying about one's age on A4A is nothing new (and I thought he looked a tad older than me anyway )





    It's just one more thing Baboner is lying about.

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Babeu

    They're really adding up!
  • CuriousJockAZ Posts: 18245
    QUOTE Feb 19, 2012 8:25 PM GMT
    This whole thing is kind of over- blown and ridiculous...much of It unsubstantiated rumor and innuendo
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    QUOTE Feb 19, 2012 8:30 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidThis whole thing is kind of over- blown and ridiculous...much of It unsubstantiated rumor and innuendo


    Right? but I believe his is about 47yo