Gallup survey - for President's Day - America's greatest president

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    Feb 20, 2012 4:16 PM GMT
    http://www.gallup.com/poll/146183/Americans-Say-Reagan-Greatest-President.aspx
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    Feb 20, 2012 6:11 PM GMT
    These polls are entirely useless and stupid. I doubt most people even know much about these presidents or US history. Watch, in another 20 years, George W. Bush will be one of these presidents.
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    Feb 20, 2012 6:59 PM GMT
    Reagan was very folksy and likeable. He cheerfully survived an assassination shooting and dealt with his decline into Alzheimers with dignity and grace. These factors, rather than his political abilities, probably account for his high ratings in these 'greatest president' polls.
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    Feb 20, 2012 7:10 PM GMT
    Reagan also holds the "honor" of being being the WORST president ever for blowing up the National Debt!

    After eight years in office Ronnie left behind a National Debt that was THREE AND A HALF TIMES BIGGER than it was when he took office.

    The biggest explosion of debt on any president in history's watch!
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    Feb 20, 2012 7:51 PM GMT
    commoncoll saidThese polls are entirely useless and stupid. I doubt most people even know much about these presidents or US history. Watch, in another 20 years, George W. Bush will be one of these presidents.


    take another look at the survey results
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    Feb 20, 2012 7:57 PM GMT
    RickRick91 saidReagan also holds the "honor" of being being the WORST president ever for blowing up the National Debt!

    After eight years in office Ronnie left behind a National Debt that was THREE AND A HALF TIMES BIGGER than it was when he took office.

    The biggest explosion of debt on any president in history's watch!


    Never ever let facts get in the way

    Top Five Highest Years of Deficit vs GDP %

    1943 - 30.3% of GDP
    1944 - 22.8% of GDP
    1945 - 21.5% of GDP
    1942 - 14.2% of GDP
    1983 - 6.0% of GDP

    2009 Deficit Estimated to be 12-13% of GDP
    2010 Deficit Estimated to be 9-10% of GDP

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    Feb 20, 2012 7:57 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    commoncoll saidThese polls are entirely useless and stupid. I doubt most people even know much about these presidents or US history. Watch, in another 20 years, George W. Bush will be one of these presidents.


    take another look at the survey results


    You're TOO funny Free
    You see .... Even after 20 years? .... The people he killed in Iraq and thru his incompetence here on 9/11 .... They'll still all be dead
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    Feb 20, 2012 10:52 PM GMT
    I vote for Washington and Lincoln.
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    Feb 20, 2012 11:04 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree saidblah blah blah ...
    2009 Deficit Estimated to be 12-13% of GDP
    2010 Deficit Estimated to be 9-10% of GDP




    psst ... in case you were wondering ... GWBush.
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    Feb 20, 2012 11:10 PM GMT
    I hate ranking presidents because they all face different time periods.

    No president faced 9/11 like Bush.
    No president faced what FDR faced.
    No president faced what Lincoln faced with the Civil War.


    I will however say I have the most respect for George Washington. He didn't even want to become President, he left on his own without term limits. How many would do that today.
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    Feb 20, 2012 11:13 PM GMT
    msuNtx saidI hate ranking presidents because they all face different time periods.

    No president faced 9/11 like Bush.
    No president faced what FDR faced.
    No president faced what Lincoln faced with the Civil War.


    I will however say I have the most respect for George Washington. He didn't even want to become President, he left on his own without term limits. How many would do that today.


    And look at how well Bush handled 9/11. icon_rolleyes.gif Our children's children will be paying for Bush's failed policies and moronic decisions.

    Don't compare Bush to FDR or Lincoln, for Christ's sake.
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    Feb 21, 2012 12:09 AM GMT
    msuNtx saidI hate ranking presidents because they all face different time periods.

    No president faced 9/11 like Bush.
    No president faced what FDR faced.
    No president faced what Lincoln faced with the Civil War.


    I will however say I have the most respect for George Washington. He didn't even want to become President, he left on his own without term limits. How many would do that today.
    You know what?

    It Really pisses me off seeing THAT name placed alongside FDR and Lincoln ... two of our Greatest Presidents by far
    No President had to face 9/11 because THAT CERTAIN President allowed the incidents to fall into place that ALLOWED it to happen
    ...........By Far The second Bush Presidency will always be known as the single worst Presidency in the Modern era
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    Feb 21, 2012 12:56 AM GMT
    GQjock said
    msuNtx saidI hate ranking presidents because they all face different time periods.

    No president faced 9/11 like Bush.
    No president faced what FDR faced.
    No president faced what Lincoln faced with the Civil War.


    I will however say I have the most respect for George Washington. He didn't even want to become President, he left on his own without term limits. How many would do that today.
    You know what?

    It Really pisses me off seeing THAT name placed alongside FDR and Lincoln ... two of our Greatest Presidents by far
    No President had to face 9/11 because THAT CERTAIN President allowed the incidents to fall into place that ALLOWED it to happen
    ...........By Far The second Bush Presidency will always be known as the single worst Presidency in the Modern era


    well that doesn't piss me off.....thanks msuNtx

    Your opinion is noted though Gqjock.
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    Feb 21, 2012 1:34 AM GMT
    musclmed said
    GQjock said
    msuNtx saidI hate ranking presidents because they all face different time periods.

    No president faced 9/11 like Bush.
    No president faced what FDR faced.
    No president faced what Lincoln faced with the Civil War.


    I will however say I have the most respect for George Washington. He didn't even want to become President, he left on his own without term limits. How many would do that today.
    You know what?

    It Really pisses me off seeing THAT name placed alongside FDR and Lincoln ... two of our Greatest Presidents by far
    No President had to face 9/11 because THAT CERTAIN President allowed the incidents to fall into place that ALLOWED it to happen
    ...........By Far The second Bush Presidency will always be known as the single worst Presidency in the Modern era


    well that doesn't piss me off.....thanks msuNtx

    Your opinion is noted though Gqjock.



    I like how I take a moderate approach and get blown up for it. I was stating that all the presidents face different circumstances so to throw them in one barrel and decide who is best is impossible.
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    Feb 21, 2012 1:35 AM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    commoncoll saidThese polls are entirely useless and stupid. I doubt most people even know much about these presidents or US history. Watch, in another 20 years, George W. Bush will be one of these presidents.


    take another look at the survey results

    He is on the list. I didn't see him.

    Which just proves the point. These are recent presidents. People voted for Reagan probably because this poll had an overwhelming majority of people who grew up with Reagan. While some presidents on the list were good for America, people believe politics and charm, not what their legacy was. Some people will never know presidents like Adams and Monroe and Tyler and Polk and Taylor and Wilson and the first Roosevelt and probably all the others I'm forgetting, who did something good for America and made it a power to be reckoned with.
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    Feb 21, 2012 1:08 PM GMT
    If anyone not named Washington or Lincoln wins this, it's bogus.
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    Feb 21, 2012 1:27 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree saidNever ever let facts get in the way

    Top Five Highest Years of Deficit vs GDP %

    1943 - 30.3% of GDP
    1944 - 22.8% of GDP
    1945 - 21.5% of GDP
    1942 - 14.2% of GDP
    1983 - 6.0% of GDP

    2009 Deficit Estimated to be 12-13% of GDP
    2010 Deficit Estimated to be 9-10% of GDP

    But you left out the fact that 1942 to 1945 was World War II, when it was either run up the debt or die as a nation. The deficit in 2009 & 2010 is also largely a war debt, combined with the ill effects of the Bush Recession, whereas the US was engaged in no comparable major conflict in 1983. It pays not to have wars.
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    Feb 21, 2012 2:15 PM GMT
    msuNtx said
    musclmed said
    GQjock said
    msuNtx saidI hate ranking presidents because they all face different time periods.

    No president faced 9/11 like Bush.
    No president faced what FDR faced.
    No president faced what Lincoln faced with the Civil War.


    I will however say I have the most respect for George Washington. He didn't even want to become President, he left on his own without term limits. How many would do that today.
    You know what?

    It Really pisses me off seeing THAT name placed alongside FDR and Lincoln ... two of our Greatest Presidents by far
    No President had to face 9/11 because THAT CERTAIN President allowed the incidents to fall into place that ALLOWED it to happen
    ...........By Far The second Bush Presidency will always be known as the single worst Presidency in the Modern era


    well that doesn't piss me off.....thanks msuNtx

    Your opinion is noted though Gqjock.



    I like how I take a moderate approach and get blown up for it. I was stating that all the presidents face different circumstances so to throw them in one barrel and decide who is best is impossible.


    I wasn't blowing up at you but having lost people who were close to me on 9/11 makes me angry when I see anyone praise a man who is largely responsible for putting in place the holes in our safety net .... That made that horrible day occur

    Beyond his incompetences in fiscal responsibility as well
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    Feb 21, 2012 4:36 PM GMT
    jockfever: Way to bring them out of the fever swamps, freedomisntfree

    Ex_Mil8Reagan was very folksy and likeable. He cheerfully survived an assassination shooting and dealt with his decline into Alzheimers with dignity and grace. These factors, rather than his political abilities, probably account for his high ratings in these 'greatest president' polls

    jockfever: You don't win two landslide presidential elections by being "folksy" and "cheerful." Reagan is one of the greatest presidents of modern times because he was an inspiring leader whose foreign and domestic policies succeeded. Reagan won landslides because he unleashed capitalism and restrained government (unlike the phony heroes of the Left who unleash government and restrain capitalism). Reagan's foreign policies thwarted America's enemies, especially the evil Soviet Union, which collapsed, dismaying Lefties who will never forgive Reagan.

    RickRick91Reagan also holds the "honor" of being being the WORST president ever for blowing up the National Debt! After eight years in office Ronnie left behind a National Debt that was THREE AND A HALF TIMES BIGGER than it was when he took office. The biggest explosion of debt on any president in history's watch!


    jockfever: Reagan had to work with a Democrat Congress headed by a big fat Democrat spender, Tip O'Neill. The biggest spending orgy belongs to Obama and his Democrat Congress. Over $4 trillion in less than four years with little hope of paying it back. That kind of spend-and-borrow recklessness earned the US the disgrace of a downgraded credit rating.

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    JPtheBITCH: Reagan was actually the president whose legacy is the single worst. Although Nixon really began the process of polarizing the country for political gain, Reagan threw it into high gear. Combined with his economic policies which have directly led to the inequalities today and to the precarious state of the national finances, history will view him as the single most destructive influence on what used to be a great experiment. GWB is the second-worst, but really all he did was accelerate the process of ruin started by Reagan.

    Jockfever: Remarkably detached from reality, even by your standards. Reagan united the country by his leadership and successful policies. His pro-capitalist economic policies reversed the Carter recession and started twenty years of sustained economic growth, including millions of jobs created. Blaming the nation's current financial mess on a successful president who left office over twenty years ago, while applauding the irresponsible, failed nonsense from Obama-Pelosi-Reid would be stunning, except that it comes from the demented Left.

    Credo: And look at how well Bush handled 9/11. Our children's children will be paying for Bush's failed policies and moronic decisions.

    Jockfever: Bush took the war on terror to the enemy, reversing the limp-wristed policies of the Clinton administration. The war in Afghanistan drove the Taliban from power and sent bin Laden scrambling to find another rat's lair. The economy under Bush did well until the Democrat-engineered subprime mortgage program led to the greatest financial crisis since the Depression. The Bush administration tried repeatedly to reverse stupid lending policies at Fannie and Freddie, only to be met a whole mob of indignant Democrats led by Dodd, Frank, and Maxine Waters. The financial crisis still has Democrat fingerprints all over it and Obama policies have probably made it worse, resulting in the longest period of sustained high employment in America since the Depression. Nice work, Obama zombies

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    GQjock It Really pisses me off seeing THAT name placed alongside FDR and Lincoln ... two of our Greatest Presidents by far
    No President had to face 9/11 because THAT CERTAIN President allowed the incidents to fall into place that ALLOWED it to happen


    jockfever: 9/11 was planned during and inspired by the weakness of the Clinton administration. BJ Clinton passed up numerous opportunities to get bin Laden. BJ Clinton's administration was dedicated to the goofy idea that fighting international terror should be a law enforcement exercise

    By Far The second Bush Presidency will always be known as the single worst Presidency in the Modern era

    jockfever: Carter used to be considered the worst president of modern times. Democrat Lyndon Johnson should have been in the running due to the wasted lives, casualties, and other resources of the Democrat Viet Nam War. Of course the Democrat Congress under Ford made sure our massive investment of blood and treasure went straight into the toilet. The worst president of the modern era is now the crypto-commie who ran as a moderate and whose stupid Marxist policies continue to spread misery from sea to sea, as they do wherever they're tried.

    I wasn't blowing up at you but having lost people who were close to me on 9/11 makes me angry when I see anyone praise a man who is largely responsible for putting in place the holes in our safety net .... That made that horrible day occur Beyond his incompetences in fiscal responsibility as well

    9/11 was inspired by, and planned during, the weakness of the Clinton administration. BJ Clinton's failed anti-terror policies set the stage for 9/11. Barack Hussein Obama said that Bush allowing the debt to grow $4 trillion in eight years was "unpatriotic." Nobody outdoes Obama in the "unpatriotic" department; so Obama grew the national debt by over $4 trillion in less than four years. That probably makes the bolshevik bois on RJ swoon, and blame Bush, blame Bush, blame Bush.
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    Feb 21, 2012 4:45 PM GMT
    Most underrated President: the great John Adams (read his bio and then see the mini-series based on it). And up there with him I rank Theodore Roosevelt. Obama had that potential, but he has not had the influence Roosevelt had when it came ot contolling corporate greed and interests. At this point in history, corporations run the government (rather and government governing the corporations) and there semes ot be no stopping them; A riot over here is impossible since the government successfully villified anything related to uber-strong in the mind of average Americans, who are so fat and out of shape these days they get winded jsut looking for the TV remote, never mind trying to take to the streets.
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    Mar 02, 2012 4:34 PM GMT
    MuscledHorse...At this point in history, corporations run the government (rather and government governing the corporations) and there semes ot be no stopping them;...

    jockfever: A few corporations, like Goldman Sachs and GE, probably do have too much influence in the Obama regime.

    In general though, if corporations ran the government, our economy would be growing like Singapore's, instead of like some banana republic.

    If corporations ran the government, capitalism would be unleashed, the private sector would be growing much faster than government, and unemployment would be minimized.

    If corporations ran the government, there would be no Marxist takeover of health care.

    If corporations ran the government, there would have been no Democrat Community Reinvestment Act sub-prime mortgage fiasco/disaster.

    If corporations ran the government, the dollar would be strong, rather than turning into worthless paper.

    If corporations ran the government, there would be fiscal responsibility rather than Leftist spend-print-and borrow insanity.

    If corporations ran the government, the EPA would not be strangling the economy using the hoax of man-made global warming as an excuse.

    If corporations ran the government, the US would have an energy policy that makes sense, rather than a Leftist policy that makes no sense.

    If corporations ran the government, Boeing would have no trouble opening a manufacturing plant in South Carolina.

    If corporations ran the government, we wouldn't have a failed Marxist buffoon in the White House, and the Leftist cesspool in the Senate would have been drained long ago.


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    Mar 02, 2012 4:37 PM GMT
    We know who considers himself in the group of the top 4 Presidents. If you haven't seen the video before, enjoy.

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/2054970/

    Many good comments in the thread give "credence" to the "greatness".
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    Mar 02, 2012 4:57 PM GMT
    socalfitness: We know who considers himself in the group of the top 4 Presidents. If you haven't seen the video before, enjoy.
    Many good comments in the thread give "credence" to the "greatness".

    jockfever: Thanks Socalfitness for another humorous and informative contribution to RJ.