Ron Paul: Social Conservatism a "losing position"

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    Feb 20, 2012 9:42 PM GMT
    http://cnsnews.com/news/article/ron-paul-social-conservatism-i-think-its-losing-position

    Tell 'em Ron!
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    Feb 20, 2012 9:48 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie saidhttp://cnsnews.com/news/article/ron-paul-social-conservatism-i-think-its-losing-position

    Tell 'em Ron!


    Reality check: How is Pauls political position working for him?
    Santorum is leading the race. How bout Paul?
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    Feb 20, 2012 9:52 PM GMT
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    mocktwinkie saidhttp://cnsnews.com/news/article/ron-paul-social-conservatism-i-think-its-losing-position

    Tell 'em Ron!


    Reality check: How is Pauls political position working for him?
    Santorum is leading the race. How bout Paul?


    It's because the voter turnout is low but very high among evangelicals and crazed extremist christians who are fired up over someone like santorum.

    Ron Paul's foreign policy is what kills him.
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    Feb 20, 2012 10:23 PM GMT
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    mocktwinkie saidhttp://cnsnews.com/news/article/ron-paul-social-conservatism-i-think-its-losing-position

    Tell 'em Ron!


    Reality check: How is Pauls political position working for him?
    Santorum is leading the race. How bout Paul?


    It's because the voter turnout is low but very high among evangelicals and crazed extremist christians who are fired up over someone like santorum.


    You just described the Republican party we know and hate here in the deep south- the party that you support!
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    Feb 20, 2012 10:31 PM GMT
    The trouble, catfish, is that there are only two parties. Imagine the KKK and super religious zealots suddenly joining the Democratic Party. (In fact, if you go back in history far enough...)

    You need four parties, Democratic, Republican, Nut-bar Left Party and Nut-bar Right Party.

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    Feb 20, 2012 10:34 PM GMT
    meninlove said The trouble, catfish, is that there are only two parties. Imagine the KKK and super religious zealots suddenly joining the Democratic Party. (In fact, if you go back in history far enough...)

    You need four parties, Democratic, Republican, Nut-bar Left Party and Nut-bar Right Party.

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    Id support a tree huggin hippie over a right wing christian morals family values conservative any day! Love and peace vs fire and brimstone.
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    Feb 20, 2012 10:41 PM GMT
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    Id support a tree huggin hippie over a right wing christian morals family values conservative any day! Love and peace vs fire and brimstone.


    At least the loony preacher isn't too stoned to remember to bathe regularly icon_wink.gif
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    Feb 20, 2012 10:44 PM GMT
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    catfish5 said
    Id support a tree huggin hippie over a right wing christian morals family values conservative any day! Love and peace vs fire and brimstone.


    At least the loony preacher isn't too stoned to remember to bathe regularly icon_wink.gif


    The looney preacher just thinks i should be dead.
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    Feb 20, 2012 10:45 PM GMT
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    catfish5 said
    Id support a tree huggin hippie over a right wing christian morals family values conservative any day! Love and peace vs fire and brimstone.


    At least the loony preacher isn't too stoned to remember to bathe regularly icon_wink.gif


    At least the stoned hippy isnĀ“t fucking guys on the DL and giving his wife STIs which condemning gays in public.
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    Feb 20, 2012 10:51 PM GMT
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    meninlove said The trouble, catfish, is that there are only two parties. Imagine the KKK and super religious zealots suddenly joining the Democratic Party. (In fact, if you go back in history far enough...)

    You need four parties, Democratic, Republican, Nut-bar Left Party and Nut-bar Right Party.

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    Id support a tree huggin hippie over a right wing christian morals family values conservative any day! Love and peace vs fire and brimstone.



    lol, that's a rather tame description of a nut-bar Left, Catfish. It also may surprise you to know there are tree-hugging hippie conservatives. Many Hippies went on to become Yuppies. History.

    I'm referring to the sort that are wayyyyy Left. One such is a friend who thinks the house in Doctor Zhivago, filled with 15 families with no possessions to call their own, because no one should own anything and (how did he put it?) oh yes, the death of the private life, was absolutely GREAT!

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    Feb 20, 2012 10:59 PM GMT
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    meninlove said The trouble, catfish, is that there are only two parties. Imagine the KKK and super religious zealots suddenly joining the Democratic Party. (In fact, if you go back in history far enough...)

    You need four parties, Democratic, Republican, Nut-bar Left Party and Nut-bar Right Party.

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    Id support a tree huggin hippie over a right wing christian morals family values conservative any day! Love and peace vs fire and brimstone.



    lol, that's a rather tame description of a nut-bar Left, Catfish. It also may surprise you to know there are tree-hugging hippie conservatives. Many Hippies went on to become Yuppies. History.

    I'm referring to the sort that are wayyyyy Left. One such is a friend who thinks the house in Doctor Zhivago, filled with 15 families with no possessions to call their own, because no one should own anything and (how did he put it?) oh yes, the death of the private life, was absolutely GREAT!


    MIL- the right wing evangelical social conservative Santorum types are in the majority here in the deep south. To mock twinkie and those up north, they are just a few looneys. In the deep south, they are a majority

    When you vote Republican, you support these looneys.
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    Feb 20, 2012 11:06 PM GMT
    I know, Catfish, and you have huge sympathy from me over that. However, imagine that group contaminated the Democratic Party. How would you vote?

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    Feb 20, 2012 11:07 PM GMT
    meninlove said I know, Catfish, and you have huge sympathy from me over that. However, imagine that group contaminated the Democratic Party. How would you vote?



    They havent. On the flip side, Santorum is leading in the polls.
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    meninlove said I know, Catfish, and you have huge sympathy from me over that. However, imagine that group contaminated the Democratic Party. How would you vote?



    They havent. On the flip side, Santorum is leading in the polls.



    Now that's scary.

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    Feb 20, 2012 11:22 PM GMT
    meninlove said
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    meninlove said I know, Catfish, and you have huge sympathy from me over that. However, imagine that group contaminated the Democratic Party. How would you vote?



    They havent. On the flip side, Santorum is leading in the polls.



    Now that's scary.



    Its reality. He represents the christian morals and family values that the majority of Republicans embrace. If Romney loses Michigan, there is a good chance Texas will propel Santorum over the top in delegates to claim the GOP nominee. The conservaposse claims that the GOP is changing and embracing gays is pure BS.
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    Feb 21, 2012 2:53 AM GMT
    Not only has Santorum gained in the polls for Michigan, but he's gaining ground in Arizona, increasingly closing the gap between him and Romney. In the latest PPP poll, Romney only has a 3 percent lead. It was far greater before.

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    Not sure how social conservatism is a losing position when it's helping Santorum rise to the top.
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    Feb 21, 2012 3:26 AM GMT
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    mocktwinkie saidhttp://cnsnews.com/news/article/ron-paul-social-conservatism-i-think-its-losing-position

    Tell 'em Ron!


    Reality check: How is Pauls political position working for him?
    Santorum is leading the race. How bout Paul?


    It's because the voter turnout is low but very high among evangelicals and crazed extremist christians who are fired up over someone like santorum.

    Ron Paul's foreign policy is what kills him.


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    Ron Pauls foreign policy is primarily killing him where these christian fundi's and their bible superstitions are concerned. These fundi's actually believe that it is our duty to 'bless Israel' and to them that means honoring what ever Israel wants, or whatever they do, no matter how inhumane or illegal those acts may be, because their bible tells them the West Bank belongs to Israel, and we are to bless Israel to receive a blessing.

    But that isn't the way the international community see's it, nor the way the international laws are layed out. It is against international law to take portions of Occupied land for the purpose of the Occupier to populate that stolen land. Bible stories have no bearing on world views except for in the Fundi's minds

    Most of the rest of us like the Idea of ending our US manipulations particularly for control in the MIddle East. Its been backfiring for decades and has cost us Trillions of dallors that should have either not been spent at all on wars nor on maintaining the resource 'control' status quo, or should have been spent at home here in the US.

    We should not be entangling ourselves by showing favoritism (See George Washingtons warning about favoring one nation over others and the resulting problems, he would cringe at the statement "there is no 'daylight' between Israel and the US") When we send Billions to Israel while they build illegal settlements and our money goes to police those illegal settlements, then purport to be a supposed broker for peace between the Occupied and the Occupier, THERE IS A PROBLEM OF LEGITIMACY. Paul wants to end that negative Isolating practice of ours.


    JP doesn't like Paul to a very large degree because of Pauls stand on this very Issue. Paul would also end the favored status and influence of the AIPAC crowd on our Government, who have put the interests of Israel before US interests, this group should be listed as a foreign agent. This would have already happend if not for the fundi's siding vehemently with AIPAC when the subject came up in congress and the senate decades ago. Also Paul is against the war that the AIPAC and Neo Con crowd are now Pushing for against Iran, the same groups who pushed for war with Iraq.

    Check me out, Its all verifiable and hardly 'tin hat' crazy on Pauls part to point these things out as against our own interests. But hell !!! Status Quo is hard to break.
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    Feb 21, 2012 8:17 AM GMT
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    JP doesn't like Paul to a very large degree because of Pauls stand on this very Issue.

    That's actually not correct. You're the one obsessed with the Middle East; I'm really not. I'm trained in finance, having been a floor trader in New York in the 80s and 90s and a commodities broker in the 00s, and what I find truly nuts about Paul are his bizarre---and they are bizarre---ideas about gold and money. Adherence to the gold standard led in the 19th century to one panic after another (see "panic of 1873, panic of 1893"). They fed and deepened the Great Depression, here and in Europe.

    To bring gold back now would have an immediately horrible double effect. To peg current gold stores to the amount of dollar-denominated currency that exists would require a gold price of upwards of $5000 an ounce, probably a lot more. This would reward gold hoarders and impoverish everyone else, and for no good reason. But after the dust settles on that, pegging currency to gold would cause immediate deflation.

    Now, I know "deflation" sounds like a good thing. Who wouldn't want to buy sody pops for ten cents again? But it's actually bad, far worse than inflation. If inflation teaches us to spend spend spend because tomorrow our money will be worth less, deflation teaches us to hoard hoard hoard as tomorrow our money will be worth more. In normal times this would slow down a consumerist economy; in hard times such as now, it would kill off demand completely.

    But wait, there's more! Pegging the dollar to any rigid straitjacket means that the country effectively loses control of its import-export trade balance, because it has no leverage to make foreign goods more or less expensive, or our goods overseas. This is an important point: going on the gold standard would mean surrendering our economic independence. This is precisely what has happened to Greece, not whatever the wingnuts are claiming.

    Why the FUCK would we want to do that? Because some loony fucking mad scientist cadaver with the mentality of a not-very-bright adolescent boy thinks we should? Fuck him, and fuck anyone dumb enough to be persuaded by this shit.


    Blah blah blah... no, spending had nothing to do with it icon_rolleyes.gif The last time I checked, the monetary union is made up of a lot more than Greece - or did you forget that with your muddled memory?

    You once again show that facts are meaningless to you.
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    Feb 21, 2012 8:35 AM GMT
    JPtheBITCH saidWith your vast economics background----say, did that lemonade stand ever go into the black?---we should of course all be listening to you.

    Fucking moron.


    Look in a mirror - the shoe fits. icon_rolleyes.gif Do you ever tire of being the fool?
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    JPtheBITCH saidWith your vast economics background----say, did that lemonade stand ever go into the black?---we should of course all be listening to you.

    Fucking moron.


    Look in a mirror - the shoe fits. icon_rolleyes.gif Do you ever tire of being the fool?

    Can't tire of it, as it hasn't ever happened.
    But you're the expert on being a fool, so you tell me.


    Sure you haven't icon_lol.gif - the fact that you get repeatedly caught with arguments that either make no sense or are easily refuted is a bit telling of how ridiculous your arguments are. But yeah - I must be the fool - or in your case, a "fucking moron". icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Feb 21, 2012 5:37 PM GMT
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    realifedad said
    JP doesn't like Paul to a very large degree because of Pauls stand on this very Issue.

    That's actually not correct. You're the one obsessed with the Middle East; I'm really not. I'm trained in finance, having been a floor trader in New York in the 80s and 90s and a commodities broker in the 00s, and what I find truly nuts about Paul are his bizarre---and they are bizarre---ideas about gold and money. Adherence to the gold standard led in the 19th century to one panic after another (see "panic of 1873, panic of 1893"). They fed and deepened the Great Depression, here and in Europe.

    To bring gold back now would have an immediately horrible double effect. To peg current gold stores to the amount of dollar-denominated currency that exists would require a gold price of upwards of $5000 an ounce, probably a lot more. This would reward gold hoarders and impoverish everyone else, and for no good reason. But after the dust settles on that, pegging currency to gold would cause immediate deflation.

    Now, I know "deflation" sounds like a good thing. Who wouldn't want to buy sody pops for ten cents again? But it's actually bad, far worse than inflation. If inflation teaches us to spend spend spend because tomorrow our money will be worth less, deflation teaches us to hoard hoard hoard as tomorrow our money will be worth more. In normal times this would slow down a consumerist economy; in hard times such as now, it would kill off demand completely.

    But wait, there's more! Pegging the dollar to any rigid straitjacket means that the country effectively loses control of its import-export trade balance, because it has no leverage to make foreign goods more or less expensive, or our goods overseas. This is an important point: going on the gold standard would mean surrendering our economic independence. This is precisely what has happened to Greece, not whatever the wingnuts are claiming.

    Why the FUCK would we want to do that? Because some loony fucking mad scientist cadaver with the mentality of a not-very-bright adolescent boy thinks we should? Fuck him, and fuck anyone dumb enough to be persuaded by this shit.


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    JP my friend, being concerned about the mess we've created for ourselves with our friends help in Israel is primary to my backing of Paul and this issue in our foreign policy happens to be our most costly mistake in several decades.

    Can you tell me anything the US is involved in that has cost us more?

    Any actions of ours that have caused us more disdain abroad ?

    Hell if the truth be told and we backed off of Carte Blanche support of Israels every whim and did like Bush #1 in threatening Israels $3billion US subsidy over settlements/land grabbing, they'd probably come to being reasonable to deal with/end the settlements immediately and start living in peace with the Palestinians. We'd be doing the Israeli Public a great favor and improve our world standing. Paul has the right idea about all this.

    No JP, These issues are hardly an obsession, they happen to be up near top of the list of the most important and most costly issues affecting the US.


    As for Pauls stand on getting back on the gold standard, I'll take a back seat on the subject because your more informed than I am, so let others tackle that subject with you. However it seems to me that our Dollar value is dangerously tied to barrels of Oil and this system could easily come crashing down. Saving this status quo is turning out extremely expensive and is directly tied to our Middle East problem, again, hardly an obsession, its probably the very most important issue of our time in a great many ways.
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    Feb 21, 2012 5:47 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie saidhttp://cnsnews.com/news/article/ron-paul-social-conservatism-i-think-its-losing-position

    Tell 'em Ron!



    +1 He is absolutely right. Unfortunately, the GOP hasn't quite grasped this one yet...but I do have confidence that they are slowly getting it.
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    Feb 21, 2012 6:36 PM GMT
    JPtheBITCH said
    So go fuck yourself, and so long.



    You be nice and go eat some "Off Your Rocker Crocker Pork" icon_lol.gif
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    Feb 21, 2012 6:45 PM GMT
    JPtheBITCH said
    CuriousJockAZ said
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    So go fuck yourself, and so long.



    You be nice and go eat some "Off Your Rocker Crocker Pork" icon_lol.gif

    In the crockpot as we speak.



    I hope it puts you in a better mood icon_lol.gif