U.S. manufacturing sees shortage of skilled factory workers

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    Feb 21, 2012 6:43 PM GMT
    Raging against outsourcing seems just as effective as raging against automation it would seem when it comes to manufacturing job losses.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/us-manufacturing-sees-shortage-of-skilled-factory-workers/2012/02/17/gIQAo0MLOR_story.html

    Instead, as automation has transformed factories and altered the skills needed to operate and maintain factory equipment, the laid-off workers, who may be familiar with the old-fashioned presses and lathes, are often unqualified to run the new.

    Compounding the problem is a demographic wave. At some factories, much of the workforce consists of baby boomers who are nearing retirement. Many of the younger workers who might have taken their place have avoided the manufacturing sector because of the volatility and stigma of factory work, as well as perceptions that U.S. manufacturing is a “dying industry.”

    “Politicians make it sound like there’s a line out front of workers with a big sign saying ‘No more jobs,’ ” said Matt Tyler, chief executive of a precision metal company in New Troy, Mich. “Nothing could be further from the truth.”
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    Feb 21, 2012 10:47 PM GMT
    Hmmm...in another topic it was being bandied about as unskilled labour so deserved low wages.


    *whistles quietly and leaves topic*

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    Feb 22, 2012 12:10 AM GMT
    meninlove said Hmmm...in another topic it was being bandied about as unskilled labour so deserved low wages.


    *whistles quietly and leaves topic*



    What was bandied about as unskilled?
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    Feb 22, 2012 12:47 AM GMT
    So basically the cuts to public education funding have resulted in the lack of skilled workers for the manufacturing jobs that exist. Hmmm... I wonder who decided to cut education to the bone, fight with teachers unions, and leave all the children behind???
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    Christian73 saidSo basically the cuts to public education funding have resulted in the lack of skilled workers for the manufacturing jobs that exist. Hmmm... I wonder who decided to cut education to the bone, fight with teachers unions, and leave all the children behind???


    The problem isn't with cuts to education - it's a problem with the education system failing the economy. The US already sufficiently funds education on a per student basis that already greatly exceeds almost all other OECD nations. But guess what organizations fight reforms and innovations every step of the way?

    Since I think you're incapable of coming to the answer yourself - it's unions.
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    Feb 22, 2012 12:56 AM GMT
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    Christian73 saidSo basically the cuts to public education funding have resulted in the lack of skilled workers for the manufacturing jobs that exist. Hmmm... I wonder who decided to cut education to the bone, fight with teachers unions, and leave all the children behind???


    The problem isn't with cuts to education - it's a problem with the education system failing the economy. The US already sufficiently funds education on a per student basis that already greatly exceeds almost all other OECD nations. But guess what organizations fight reforms and innovations every step of the way?

    Since I think you're incapable of coming to the answer yourself - it's unions.


    Incorrect.
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    Christian73 said
    riddler78 said
    Christian73 saidSo basically the cuts to public education funding have resulted in the lack of skilled workers for the manufacturing jobs that exist. Hmmm... I wonder who decided to cut education to the bone, fight with teachers unions, and leave all the children behind???


    The problem isn't with cuts to education - it's a problem with the education system failing the economy. The US already sufficiently funds education on a per student basis that already greatly exceeds almost all other OECD nations. But guess what organizations fight reforms and innovations every step of the way?

    Since I think you're incapable of coming to the answer yourself - it's unions.


    Incorrect.


    Wrong again, you are. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Christian73 said
    riddler78 said
    Christian73 saidSo basically the cuts to public education funding have resulted in the lack of skilled workers for the manufacturing jobs that exist. Hmmm... I wonder who decided to cut education to the bone, fight with teachers unions, and leave all the children behind???


    The problem isn't with cuts to education - it's a problem with the education system failing the economy. The US already sufficiently funds education on a per student basis that already greatly exceeds almost all other OECD nations. But guess what organizations fight reforms and innovations every step of the way?

    Since I think you're incapable of coming to the answer yourself - it's unions.


    Incorrect.


    Wrong again, you are. icon_rolleyes.gif


    Given your completely lack of understanding of American public education, the internal politics in many municipalities, how schools are funded (hint: not every school gets the same amount per pupil), and the role that feminism has indirectly played in this changing landscape over the past four decades, it''s really not worth trying to explain to you the manifold ways in which you're completely wrong and just spewing right-wing talking points.

    I will give you a source though: "Standing on the Shoulders of Giants" by Mark Tucker. Have a read through that and then we can begin a discussion of education in the US. You might want to read Ravitch as well. icon_lol.gif
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    Feb 22, 2012 2:53 AM GMT
    Christian73 said
    riddler78 said
    Christian73 said
    riddler78 said
    Christian73 saidSo basically the cuts to public education funding have resulted in the lack of skilled workers for the manufacturing jobs that exist. Hmmm... I wonder who decided to cut education to the bone, fight with teachers unions, and leave all the children behind???


    The problem isn't with cuts to education - it's a problem with the education system failing the economy. The US already sufficiently funds education on a per student basis that already greatly exceeds almost all other OECD nations. But guess what organizations fight reforms and innovations every step of the way?

    Since I think you're incapable of coming to the answer yourself - it's unions.


    Incorrect.


    Wrong again, you are. icon_rolleyes.gif


    Given your completely lack of understanding of American public education, the internal politics in many municipalities, how schools are funded (hint: not every school gets the same amount per pupil), and the role that feminism has indirectly played in this changing landscape over the past four decades, it''s really not worth trying to explain to you the manifold ways in which you're completely wrong and just spewing right-wing talking points.

    I will give you a source though: "Standing on the Shoulders of Giants" by Mark Tucker. Have a read through that and then we can begin a discussion of education in the US. You might want to read Ravitch as well. icon_lol.gif


    I am quite aware of how schools are funded - and for this reason I know there is no relationship between school funding and student performance - unlike what you're like to believe. It's not worth it to you because there's really nothing to explain.

    As the US continues to go in debt and despite your flailings to the contrary, the education system fails the economy and students despite being sufficiently funded and you bury your head in the sand. icon_rolleyes.gif

    On the plus side, the dynamic is changing or will change - as companies like udemy show.
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    Feb 22, 2012 3:02 AM GMT



    .."there is no relationship between school funding and student performance - "


    lol, WUT?

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    Feb 22, 2012 3:07 AM GMT
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    .."there is no relationship between school funding and student performance - "


    lol, WUT?



    It's a relationship that is documented repeatedly - here's one article that pulls from one study -

    http://npri.org/blog/does-more-spending-increase-student-performance
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    Feb 22, 2012 3:09 AM GMT
    This is too funny. Tell me riddler, do you think schools should go wireless?


    ...and of course, this is a great way to sidestep the topic itself and what's been pointed out to you as far as non union staff goes in gov't.

    As for figureheads, the mayor is not a dictator. Council votes on issues.

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    meninlove said This is too funny. Tell me riddler, do you think schools should go wireless?


    Too funny to believe? Too bad you don't actually need, I dunno, data to support your views. icon_rolleyes.gif

    As for wireless, I think that's a decision that should be made locally depending on what the approach is of both the teachers, students and parents. I don't think technology inherently makes for a better education - but what connecting computers allows for is greater and richer communication. There's a school in Silicon Valley for instance that parents from tech companies send their kids to specifically for the reason they don't use computers or teach with them.

    It ultimately may be irrelevant anyway as mobile companies increasingly offer better and cheaper wireless options.
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    meninlove said This is too funny. Tell me riddler, do you think schools should go wireless?


    ...and of course, this is a great way to sidestep the topic itself and what's been pointed out to you as far as non union staff goes in gov't.

    As for figureheads, the mayor is not a dictator. Council votes on issues.



    Sidestepping? I responded to someone else who brought up the side issue. The mayor is also not a figure head.
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    Feb 22, 2012 3:30 AM GMT
    riddler78 said
    Christian73 said
    riddler78 said
    Christian73 said
    riddler78 said
    Christian73 saidSo basically the cuts to public education funding have resulted in the lack of skilled workers for the manufacturing jobs that exist. Hmmm... I wonder who decided to cut education to the bone, fight with teachers unions, and leave all the children behind???


    The problem isn't with cuts to education - it's a problem with the education system failing the economy. The US already sufficiently funds education on a per student basis that already greatly exceeds almost all other OECD nations. But guess what organizations fight reforms and innovations every step of the way?

    Since I think you're incapable of coming to the answer yourself - it's unions.


    Incorrect.


    Wrong again, you are. icon_rolleyes.gif


    Given your completely lack of understanding of American public education, the internal politics in many municipalities, how schools are funded (hint: not every school gets the same amount per pupil), and the role that feminism has indirectly played in this changing landscape over the past four decades, it''s really not worth trying to explain to you the manifold ways in which you're completely wrong and just spewing right-wing talking points.

    I will give you a source though: "Standing on the Shoulders of Giants" by Mark Tucker. Have a read through that and then we can begin a discussion of education in the US. You might want to read Ravitch as well. icon_lol.gif


    I am quite aware of how schools are funded - and for this reason I know there is no relationship between school funding and student performance - unlike what you're like to believe. It's not worth it to you because there's really nothing to explain.

    As the US continues to go in debt and despite your flailings to the contrary, the education system fails the economy and students despite being sufficiently funded and you bury your head in the sand. icon_rolleyes.gif

    On the plus side, the dynamic is changing or will change - as companies like udemy show.


    You're so ridiculous and misinformed, I'm glad you live in Canada. God forbid you could vote in the US.

    And school funding and host of other elements are certainly related to student achievement as the very article you posted shows. If there's no vocational training, there's no skilled manufacturing workers.
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    Christian73 saidYou're so ridiculous and misinformed, I'm glad you live in Canada. God forbid you could vote in the US.

    And school funding and host of other elements are certainly related to student achievement as the very article you posted shows. If there's no vocational training, there's no skilled manufacturing workers.


    Once again you're projecting.
    http://npri.org/blog/does-more-spending-increase-student-performance

    "Per-pupil spending has no real bearing on student performance. Continuing to claim that Nevada needs to increase funding to help our children is false and misleading."

    The issue isn't one of funding - but how dollars are allocated.
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    Feb 22, 2012 3:41 AM GMT
    ""Per-pupil spending has no real bearing on student performance. Continuing to claim that Nevada needs to increase funding to help our children is false and misleading."

    The issue isn't one of funding - but how dollars are allocated."

    lol, interesting contradiction is such a short space.
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    Feb 22, 2012 3:58 AM GMT
    meninlove said ""Per-pupil spending has no real bearing on student performance. Continuing to claim that Nevada needs to increase funding to help our children is false and misleading."

    The issue isn't one of funding - but how dollars are allocated."

    lol, interesting contradiction is such a short space.


    Contradiction? Where?

    It's just like your last laughable "gotcha" moment. How do I say this slower ...

    (1) There's enough money out there per student.
    (2) It's just not being spent on the right things.

    How do these two ideas contradict each other?
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    Christian73 saidYou're so ridiculous and misinformed, I'm glad you live in Canada. God forbid you could vote in the US.

    And school funding and host of other elements are certainly related to student achievement as the very article you posted shows. If there's no vocational training, there's no skilled manufacturing workers.


    Once again you're projecting.
    http://npri.org/blog/does-more-spending-increase-student-performance

    "Per-pupil spending has no real bearing on student performance. Continuing to claim that Nevada needs to increase funding to help our children is false and misleading."

    The issue isn't one of funding - but how dollars are allocated.


    I can see you haven't read either source I presented, so I'm not willing to discuss this further. You have a very misinformed view of public education in America, and relying on one study in Nevada, because it agrees with your worldview, isn't convincing anyone. icon_lol.gif