10 Things You Can Like About $4 Gas: Which is your favorite?

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    Jul 02, 2008 7:25 PM GMT
    "The world had long assumed that Americans were just unrepentant energy pigs. If gas prices went up, well, we kept our Explorers aimed at the horizon, and little changed. We truthfully didn't have lots of options. Unlike Europeans, we didn't have jobs we could bike to or convenient public transit. Gasoline prices never stayed high enough long enough to force those kinds of shifts in how we lived.

    Now here we are. Gas prices are near $4 per gal., as no one needs to tell you, and they are likely to stay that way. Most of us still don't have the alternatives we need to adapt with grace, which means that many will adapt just by suffering. ...

    But it's also true that Americans are finding options where there seemed to be none. They're ready to change — and waiting for their infrastructure to catch up. ...

    The suffering will go on. But the story, like any good tragedy, is not without redemption. "

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    Jul 02, 2008 8:07 PM GMT
    Caslon4000 said
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    FOR SHAME!

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    Jul 02, 2008 8:28 PM GMT
    Europe has a longer average commute distance than the US. With the exception of Italy if I remember my stats correctly.



    (As a nation) Your overweight and lazy and there's a hummer parked out side for the half a mile trip to the grocery store that You aren't ashamed to use. icon_wink.gif
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    Jul 02, 2008 8:38 PM GMT
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  • MikePhilPerez

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    Jul 02, 2008 8:42 PM GMT
    I tell you what Caslon, I would love to be able to fill up for $4 per gal. Its more like €7 per gal.
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    Jul 02, 2008 8:56 PM GMT
    How come I don't have a Hummer? Oh wait...that's what the BF is for!
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    Jul 02, 2008 8:59 PM GMT
    MikePhil saidI tell you what Caslon, I would love to be able to fill up for $4 per gal. Its more like €7 per gal.


    €5.11 a gallon

    $8.13 in US terms
  • auryn

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    Jul 02, 2008 9:19 PM GMT
    Good thing number one!

    The dollar sucks... so we're not shelling out what AMT87 and MikePhil are paying. Thanks for making me look at the upside of our tragic economy. icon_biggrin.gif
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    AMT87 saidEurope has a longer average commute distance than the US. With the exception of Italy if I remember my stats correctly.



    (As a nation) Your overweight and lazy and there's a hummer parked out side for the half a mile trip to the grocery store that You aren't ashamed to use. icon_wink.gif


    Stereotyping...... "Hummers" were never really all that mainstream of a vehicle.

    I personally just got rid of a chrysler neon and got a jeep compass because unfortunatly i own a home and needed something that i could actually fit larger items in.


    Your governments invested more heavily in public transportation then ours and that is not the fault of the american public. I personally would love to take public transportation, but its not convienient to where i live. I have no train/subway/railcar avaliable for my use, and the trip to go to the grocery store would take 5 hours on a bus... not worth it to me. I am very concious about my fuel consumption on a weekly basis and drive fewer then 100 miles a week for ALL of my vehicle use.
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    Jul 02, 2008 9:37 PM GMT
    AMT87 said[quote][cite]MikePhil said[/cite]I tell you what Caslon, I would love to be able to fill up for $4 per gal. Its more like €7 per gal.


    €5.11 a gallon

    $8.13 in US terms[/quote]

    Did you have to tell them that icon_question.gificon_confused.gif
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    Jul 02, 2008 9:49 PM GMT
    jjdayz said[quote][cite]

    Your governments invested more heavily in public transportation then ours and that is not the fault of the american public. I personally would love to take public transportation, but its not convienient to where i live. I have no train/subway/railcar avaliable for my use, and the trip to go to the grocery store would take 5 hours on a bus... not worth it to me. I am very concious about my fuel consumption on a weekly basis and drive fewer then 100 miles a week for ALL of my vehicle use.



    I no nothing about the American public transport, but if you think ours is good, you can think again. With all the money the government had in the past 10 years or more, we should have world class public transport. What we have is pathetic. Last time I traveled on a train it was like something you would see on one of those really old cowboy movies. In fact, I could hardly believe such a thing still existed. And that was the second one on the same journey. The first one broke down icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jul 02, 2008 9:58 PM GMT
    jjdayz said

    Your governments invested more heavily in public transportation then ours and that is not the fault of the american public.


    Politican A says if elected I'll use your taxes dollars to build better and more efficient public transport


    Politican B says I'll use the same tax dollars to subsidize gasoline, wage war on oil producing countries, and pay my old school corporate allys to unsuccessfully rebuild war torn infrastructure.

    Both have the potential to control energy prices, but both have very different short and long term effects and i think the atypical American physci is more in the here and now as opposed to what might be benifical in the long run. Or in other words they have a tendency to be short sighted

    While it would be unreasonable to place the sole burden of responsibility on the American public after all they were deceived but the can't claim complete irresponsibility
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    Jul 02, 2008 10:09 PM GMT
    10 Things I Can Like About $4 per Gallon Gas?

    That's cheap...I'll take it. It's nearly $5 per gallon in the SF Bay Area.

    The other 9 things don't count.

    (It's nearly $10 per gallon in parts of Europe....so we shouldn't be complaning too much about this).
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    Jul 02, 2008 10:26 PM GMT
    Globalized Jobs Return Home

    Sprawl Stalls

    Four-Day Workweeks

    Less Pollution

    More Frugality

    Fewer Traffic Deaths

    Cheaper Insurance

    Less Traffic

    More Cops on the Beat

    Less Obesity

    - I would like to add....

    1. a push for cleaner and more energy efficient energy/technologies

    2. there are taxes on gasoline. The federal government is in desperate need of more money. If the government was a business, we, the governement would be bankrupt. That right folks, the Bush administration has technically bankrupted the United States. They really need to tax more. Increasing gas prices also, from what I have been told, will increase revenue for the government from gas taxes. The governement will need to do much more in order to recover from the disaster that is the Bush Administration.
  • MikePhilPerez

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    Jul 02, 2008 10:28 PM GMT
    AMT87 said[quote][cite]MikePhil said[/cite]I tell you what Caslon, I would love to be able to fill up for $4 per gal. Its more like €7 per gal.


    €5.11 a gallon

    $8.13 in US terms[/quote]

    ATM, Where did you get those figures from icon_question.gif You have me all confused now icon_confused.gif
  • MikePhilPerez

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    Jul 02, 2008 10:37 PM GMT
    Diesel is €1.43 per litre. There is about 5 litres in a gallon, so that makes a gallon €7.15. In US that is about $11.36 per gallon.
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    Jul 02, 2008 10:42 PM GMT
    I have no idea what the problem is, Petrol & Diesel are cheap.... if you will allow me..........


    This morning at the gym I bought a bottle of lucozade after my workout. It was £1 for half a litre. With petrol you get twice that for just a few pence more.

    Petrol has the power to move cars, a sports drink doesn't.

    More to the point the Petrol has been shipped halfway round the world and refined, where as the drink hasn't.

    So lets stop moaning aboout the price of fuel, that is here to stay, lets campaign for lower priced drinks.
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    MikePhil saidDiesel is €1.43 per litre. There is about 5 litres in a gallon, so that makes a gallon €7.15. In US that is about $11.36 per gallon.


    Liters per Gallon:

    3.785411 liters per gallon (US).
    4.54609 liters per gallon (UK).
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    Jul 02, 2008 10:49 PM GMT
    MikePhil said[quote][cite]AMT87 said[/cite][quote][cite]MikePhil said[/cite]I tell you what Caslon, I would love to be able to fill up for $4 per gal. Its more like €7 per gal.


    €5.11 a gallon

    $8.13 in US terms[/quote]

    ATM, Where did you get those figures from icon_question.gif You have me all confused now icon_confused.gif[/quote]

    Those are my initials, I'm not a bank teller icon_confused.gif

    Shell on the N11 the closet petrol station are charging

    €1.349 a litre

    .265 gallons in a litre

    1.588 dollars equals 1 euro

    Solve for Xicon_wink.gif
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    Jul 02, 2008 10:52 PM GMT
    mickeytopogigio said[quote][cite]MikePhil said[/cite]Diesel is €1.43 per litre. There is about 5 litres in a gallon, so that makes a gallon €7.15. In US that is about $11.36 per gallon.


    Liters per Gallon:

    3.785411 liters per gallon (US).
    4.54609 liters per gallon (UK). [/quote]


    Oooooooooooh, I forgot that you US people always have to have different everything icon_smile.gif


    Anyway, that is $8.59 US per gallon.
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    Jul 02, 2008 10:55 PM GMT
    AMT87 said[quote][cite]MikePhil said[/cite][quote][cite]AMT87 said[/cite][quote][cite]MikePhil said[/cite]I tell you what Caslon, I would love to be able to fill up for $4 per gal. Its more like €7 per gal.


    €5.11 a gallon

    $8.13 in US terms[/quote]

    ATM, Where did you get those figures from icon_question.gif You have me all confused now icon_confused.gif[/quote]

    Those are my initials, I'm not a bank teller icon_confused.gif

    Shell on the N11 the closet petrol station are charging

    €1.349 a litre

    .265 gallons in a litre

    1.588 dollars equals 1 euro

    Solve for Xicon_wink.gif [/quote]



    My age, I cant work those things out anymore icon_confused.gif
  • MikePhilPerez

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    Jul 02, 2008 10:58 PM GMT
    AMT87 said[quote][cite]Those are my initials, I'm not a bank teller icon_confused.gif


    icon_lol.gif I didn't even cop that one icon_lol.gif

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    Jul 02, 2008 11:09 PM GMT
    you guys are hurting my math challenged head! LOL If a british car was traveling west with 20 liters of fuel and an American car was traveling east at 40 MPH and they past a train station, how fast would the train have to travel to reach France? Hmmmm
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    eb925guy saidyou guys are hurting my math challenged head! LOL If a british car was traveling west with 20 liters of fuel and an American car was traveling east at 40 MPH and they past a train station, how fast would the train have to travel to reach France? Hmmmm


    In order to reach France, and assuming the distance to France remains constant. The train would have to travel at a speed greater than zero.


    Duh!icon_lol.gif
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    Jul 03, 2008 1:18 AM GMT
    AMT87 said
    While it would be unreasonable to place the sole burden of responsibility on the American public after all they were deceived but the can't claim complete irresponsibility


    This misses the point entirely. American cities were built for cars, meaning that development spread out thinly and more or less evenly around a city's core. Once the city's "downtown" started to decay---and this happened to most American cities around 40 years ago---jobs and corporations moved to the edges of cities or to the suburbs. Now most people commute from one point around a city to another point around the city, but seldom directly INTO it. Meaning that there is almost no way now to build effective public transportation for the majority of the area residents.

    Los Angeles built a subway system in the 1990s, based on the projected most-dense corridor of human movement. Naturally, by the time it was built, it was nearly useless (and is underutilized) because it simply doesn't go where people live, or take them to where they work.

    Blaming the public for this is easy but pointless. These planning decisions were made long before anyone now working had any input into them.