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catfish5 said

Dont believe anything CJ says. CJ says he was out which means CJ prolly wanted to get in his pants. The general public didnt know as evidenced by the GOP telling him to get out of the congressional race.

Still doesn't matter. There are Gay Republicans everywhere. This one is just in the spotlight. If he was known to be gay by everyone or just those guys on the DL then it still doesn't matter. Even if what you say is completely 100% true that no one knew. I doubt its going to change his politics. Like I said I think this guy cares more about other things than gay marriage. I think marriage is the last thing on his list of wants or needs. Is he for it? Yeah probably. Does he want it for himself. I seriously doubt it.

All outing him did was give him 15mins of fame. I'm sure politically they kicked him to the curb because most of the Republican voters are bible thumping homophobes and the majority of the Repubs running are counting on the "sanctity of marriage" voters. If his party used him for (whatever reason) and now they have to get rid of him because it will hurt their chances of winning the nominee, then its just typical politics.

I mean think about it. So now you know or people who didn't know before, now know that this guy votes/supports Repub. Whats changed? Nothing. Except he isn't on the committee with whoever. Does it throw up a huge hypocrisy flag? Sure. But it still doesn't change anything.

Oh and I lol'd at the whole CJ wanted in his pants thing

CuriousJockAZ said

TahoeAthlete said

CuriousJockAZ saidIn the case of Paul Babeu, it's a prime example of gays getting their claws out and attacking before they know all the facts. Paul Babeu has not been in the closet for years...it was no secret here in AZ that he was gay, though probably not "public knowledge", nor did it need to be. Does NOT make him anti-gay or a homophobe whatsoever.

Disagree. He's supporting a politic party that wants to keep him a second class citizen, deny him equal rights, and use who he is as a rallying cry to whip bigots into a frenzy so they'll vote.

NEWSFLASH: Lots of gay Republicans out there. Doesn't make them self-loathing, homophobic, or anti-gay. I would sure as hell rather have a gay sheriff who is willing to take a stand for gay rights from within the Republican Party than some redneck who would never do that. True change will come from within. The Democrats can't bring about real change when it comes to equality on their own --- or maybe they're just not willing to --- so they will need Republican support. Gays should not be so quick to throw someone under the bus just because they are Republican --- they might actually be someone who could actually help the cause.

Lol, you can't out someone that's already out. Oh yeah, and NEWSFLASH: The Democrats are making huge steps towards legalizing gay marriage in many states and at the federal level. It's absurd to suggest that a party that has very successful presidential candidates with hate-homo mongering campaigns is going to somehow help with gay and human equal rights. I assure you, the Nazi's didn't change themselves from within because a few closeted homos where Nazis. It's preposterous. I honestly think many past revered republican figures in history would be horrified to find out what the republican party has become.

At this time in history, someone needs to organize a case study to figure out why any gay person in their right mind(?) would vote republican in the next election. I apologize in advance, for the life of me I can't figure out how anyone could vote against their own human rights...and no amount of excuses is going to help me understand it.

Celticmusl saidAt this time in history, someone needs to organize a case study to figure out why any gay person in their right mind(?) would vote republican in the next election. I apologize in advance, for the life of me I can't figure out how anyone could vote against their own human rights...and no amount of excuses is going to help me understand it.

I think Clay summed it up very well in his opinion on Babeu. I think most gay Republicans don't care about equal rights as much as they do something else. In Babeu's case, it's border security. The new wild west. Macho macho.

For many others, it's financial. Rich gay Republicans put their wealth before their right to marry, probably because they can afford attorneys and have all the necessary legal angles covered to protect themselves and their relationship within the current framework. They don't need marriage, just as Clay suggests (I think correctly) that Babeu doesn't want (or need) it for other reasons. So that makes it easier to align themselves with a party that actively discriminates against them.

Personally, I don't care about marriage either. But I do care about equality. I'd like to see government get out of marriage altogether. But since that isn't going to happen, I don't believe anyone should be denied the right to marry whomever he or she choses. To me, fairness and equality are more important than stopping the brown boogie man or greedily hoarding an absurd pile of cash, so that makes the Republican party less attractive.

Oh and before assumptions are made, no I dont vote repub I wantz to get murried someday

Claystation saidOh and before assumptions are made, no I dont vote repub I wantz to get murried someday

I wuntz me a manbride

Just because someone may not let their sexuality define them as a whole, nor allow it to dictate they way they vote and live their lives does not make them self loathing. They too have a right to be themselves and be who they wish and not seen as another thinks they should.

In pretty much all cases I am against outing. Coming out is tough and if that person doesn't have a support system then it can be even harder. However, if a person is gay and actively advocating against gay rights then I am all for outing them. Now when I say actively advocating against gay rights I mean someone like a member of Congress who is for DADT, who is for DOMA, who believes in a Constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage, but at the same time is sleeping with men, I'm sorry. That person needs to be outed.

It's like former Senator Strom Thurmand. This man was a racist and segregationist. But later on we find out that he had a daughter by a black woman. If this information had come to light when he was advocating for segregation should we have just ignored it? Of course not. He's a hypocrite.

I don't believe that people should be outed just because they are Republican or because they support a Republican candidate. No one agrees 100% with any candidate. But you can't be a homophobe in public and homo in private.

Nope. I never out someone unless they specifically ask me to. Sorry.

Its not outing when they are stupid enough to get caught.

I'm not a fan. Their bigotry speaks for itself, and it just makes the rest of us seem petty. Their pasts will catch up with them on their own, let's just focus on why Alpha said, getting the best sides of each party together for some sanity.

this site isn't so much outing people as it is a list of public figures who've really stepped in it.

As a fan of comprehensive lists of everything, I approve!

Homophobes are basiclly outing themselves by hating on gay guys

Too funny that he's from Pinal County.

Its completely repulsive.

dc415 saidthis site isn't so much outing people as it is a list of public figures who've really stepped in it.

yep.

Why can't someone take a position of power and out themselves? Why is power at the same of a whole community so much more acceptable and normal for these fuckers?

BuddyinNYC saidToo funny that he's from Pinal County.

Whats funny about Pinal County?

Say it with me The correct pronunciation is Pee-Nahl county.

Not PENILE like your retards are trying.

Im sure most of you couldnt pronounce most of our counties in AZ.

My name is ConfederateGhost and I am a gay homophobe.

There, I said it.

JP85257 said

BuddyinNYC saidToo funny that he's from Pinal County.

Whats funny about Pinal County?

Say it with me The correct pronunciation is Pee-Nahl county.

Not PENILE like your retards are trying.

Im sure most of you couldnt pronounce most of our counties in AZ.

try being from Wisconsin lol lol we r worse i bet adn when it comes to outing people if it affects their job or well being no it isnt right. if they r a total douch bag then hey what can i say unless above is affected.

Just more evidence that hurt people hurt people.

I don't believe in external circumstances excusing someone from a hurtful act. To me, outing someone is just as dispicable whether they're a homophobe or not. No conditional integrity.

I haven't heard of him every say anything against gay people, so I wouldn't classify him a "homophobe".

Now, IMHO, at the best, gay republicans are silent on gay issues such as marriage and I can't stand the ones who hide behind their politics, vote everything anti-gay to prove how "conservative" they are and then go out and have gang bangs with the boys. I hate a hypocrite.

At this point, I've never seen anything to indicate he was against gays or a bad guy. The dude who accused him vandalized his public website, had made anonymous accusations and I haven't seen any proof the guy was an illegal alien.

He said he said is all I see right now, and until I see more, I'm in the camp of the Sheriff.

SkinnyBitch saidI don't believe in external circumstances excusing someone from a hurtful act. To me, outing someone is just as dispicable whether they're a homophobe or not. No conditional integrity.

Oh, I would generally agree with this, but if I ever found pictures of Rick Santorum, Anthony Perkins, Haggie Gallagher, John McCain or any number of scumbags like that having illicit same sex relations I would hop a plane 1st class to donate them to the enquirer.

My message to right-wing homophobes:
If you use your position of power to hurt others and their families, in this case gay Americans, you should expect them to fight back. I consider it self defense.

If you don't want to be harmed, don't harm others.
It's really that simple.

sdgman said

SkinnyBitch saidI don't believe in external circumstances excusing someone from a hurtful act. To me, outing someone is just as dispicable whether they're a homophobe or not. No conditional integrity.

Oh, I would generally agree with this, but if I ever found pictures of Rick Santorum, Anthony Perkins, Haggie Gallagher, John McCain or any number of scumbags like that having illicit same sex relations I would hop a plane 1st class to donate them to the enquirer.

It depends on the motivation. Outing someone to save a life is done reluctantly but is for the greater good. Good motivations.
If you outed them feeling bad about it but doing it anyway because of the good it would cause, it's not a hurtful act, it's an act of compassion.
If you outed them just to fuck them over, it's a hurtful motivation, SB don't agree.