Major Loss For The Republicans Who Are Fighting To Deny Marriage Equality For Gay Americans

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    Feb 23, 2012 6:33 AM GMT
    http://www.mercurynews.com/samesexmarriage/ci_20023665

    In a major blow to the Republicans who are fighting to keep DOMA in place - a Bush appointee judge declared DOMA unconstitutional.

    The Obama administration supported the victorious legal team for the two lesbians who launched this case.

    The legal team which fought to keep the anti-gay DOMA law in place is a group of REPUBLICANS who are serving in the House of Representatives.

    It's particularly stinging that a Bush appointee judge would side with the Democrats and the Obama administration on the issue of marriage equality for gay Americans!

    It shows how WRONG the Repub party is on the issue of gay marriage.
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    Feb 23, 2012 8:22 AM GMT
    What about our half brothers the bisexual who have already had a number of wives yet still feel riped off because they can't now take a husband; the issue of gay marriage is such a joke. I am so happy I am content and forfilled within myself and life, that such issues as gay marriage are of no issues to my life as I do not see myself as the victom. But I do 100% back Civil Unions; albeit I would never do it myself.
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    Feb 23, 2012 1:41 PM GMT
    This is a major blow to PEOPLE who are against marriage equality.
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    Feb 23, 2012 2:36 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie saidThis is a major blow to PEOPLE who are against marriage equality.

    Except, in the US the overwhelming majority of those people opposing marriage equality, and civil rights for gays, are Republicans, Teabaggers, Conservatives, and other assorted right-wingers. It's written into their party platforms and other policy papers, their candidates are made to sign pledges to defend this inequality. Of all the things you (mostly falsely) accuse Democrats and Liberals here, fighting against gays cannot be one of them.

    These are the right-wing "PEOPLE" with whom you politically align yourself, the Congressional Republicans who used taxpayer money to defend DOMA in this court case, while Obama is trying to kill DOMA. But I do see you trying to distance yourself on this issue. My late Mother always had a good phrase for everything, and she would call this being a "fair weather friend."
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    Feb 23, 2012 2:44 PM GMT
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    mocktwinkie saidThis is a major blow to PEOPLE who are against marriage equality.

    Except, in the US the overwhelming majority of those people opposing marriage equality, and civil rights for gays, are Republicans, Teabaggers, Conservatives, and other assorted right-wingers. It's written into their party platforms and other policy papers, their candidates are made to sign pledges to defend this inequality. Of all the things you (mostly falsely) accuse Democrats and Liberals here, fighting against gays cannot be one of them.

    These are the right-wing "PEOPLE" with whom you politically align yourself, the Congressional Republicans who used taxpayer money to defend DOMA in this court case. But I do see you trying to distance yourself on this issue. My late Mother always had a good phrase for everything, and she would call this being a "fair weather friend."


    Art, I've already exposed this little charade of yours by giving all of the liberals in here a hypothetical choice between voting for pro-gay marriage equality republican (UPDATE: now proclaimed libertarian) candidate Gary Johnson and President Obama who is officially against marriage equality, the majority said they would still vote for Obama -- because of the "OTHER issues". So don't give me this duplicitous bullshit about me only being a "fair weather friend". You only play this card when it is convenient for you, not because you ACTUALLY BELIEVE that gay right should trumps all other issues when considering a candidate. If you did, you would have called out the hypocrisy of your comrades on here.
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    Feb 23, 2012 2:47 PM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    mocktwinkie saidThis is a major blow to PEOPLE who are against marriage equality.

    Except, in the US the overwhelming majority of those people opposing marriage equality, and civil rights for gays, are Republicans, Teabaggers, Conservatives, and other assorted right-wingers. It's written into their party platforms and other policy papers, their candidates sign pledges to defend this inequality. Of all the things you (mostly falsely) accuse Democrats and Liberals here, fighting against gays cannot be one of them.

    These are the right-wing "PEOPLE" with whom you politically align yourself, the Congressional Republicans who used taxpayer money to defend DOMA in this court case. But I do see you trying to distance yourself on this issue. My late Mother always had a good phrase for everything, and she would call this being a "fair weather friend."



    Oh GAWD I wish you would just STFU sometimes. Gay Marriage, when voted on by the people, more often than not has NOT been passed --- even in a generally liberal-minded state like California. You are kidding yourself if you think ALL of those votes against gay marriage are coming from right wingers. It just isn't true. No one is denying that the Republican side is the party most aligned with people who are against gay marriage, but that is slowly changing. Let's not forget that our Democratic president is also against gay marriage. If the Democrats were all THAT hell-bent on passing gay marriage, they had two years to get that done -- the silence was deafening. So, please, just stop with the incessant blaming the boogy man Republicans for everything that doesn't go the gay way, because it isn't that black or white. When put up to a vote by the people, the votes against gay marriage cross party lines and include people in the african american communities, latino communities, muslim, and on and on.
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    Feb 23, 2012 2:54 PM GMT
    #CaliforniaProp8

    ... was overwhelmingly supported by Black and Latino voters, who typically are also extremely loyal Democratic Party voters.
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    Feb 23, 2012 2:58 PM GMT
    Curiousjock said, "Let's not forget that our Democratic president is also against gay marriage."

    So is our Conservative Prime Minister, so what's your point? Obama's PERSONAL feelings are not what he exercises in office (just like our Conservative Prime Minister), something the Republican candidates, and apparently some here, can't seem to get their heads around.


    The term is 'secular'.
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    Feb 23, 2012 3:01 PM GMT
    Now this Bush appointee did what a judge is supposed to do, dispense justice.
    Obvious a very good judge, that he put his politics aside.

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    Feb 23, 2012 3:02 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie saidArt, I've already exposed this little charade of yours by giving all of the liberals in here a hypothetical choice between voting for pro-gay marriage equality republican candidate Gary Johnson and President Obama who is officially against marriage equality, the majority said they would still vote for Obama -- because of the "OTHER issues". So don't give me this duplicitous bullshit about me only being a "fair weather friend". You only play this card when it is convenient for you, not because you ACTUALLY BELIEVE that gay right should trumps all other issues when considering a candidate. If you did, you would have called out the hypocrisy of your comrades on here.


    Are you talking about the pro-gay-marriage candidate Gary E. Johnson, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_E._Johnson? Because his Wikipedia page says (with sources to confirm):

    On December 28, 2011, Johnson formally withdrew his candidacy for the Republican presidential nomination, and declared his candidacy for the 2012 presidential nomination of the Libertarian Party.

    In addition, gay rights are not just gay marriage rights. If I understand the LIbertarian position correctly, Gary Johnson should be against ENDA.
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    Feb 23, 2012 3:07 PM GMT
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    mocktwinkie saidArt, I've already exposed this little charade of yours by giving all of the liberals in here a hypothetical choice between voting for pro-gay marriage equality republican candidate Gary Johnson and President Obama who is officially against marriage equality, the majority said they would still vote for Obama -- because of the "OTHER issues". So don't give me this duplicitous bullshit about me only being a "fair weather friend". You only play this card when it is convenient for you, not because you ACTUALLY BELIEVE that gay right should trumps all other issues when considering a candidate. If you did, you would have called out the hypocrisy of your comrades on here.


    Are you talking about the pro-gay-marriage candidate Gary E. Johnson, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_E._Johnson? Because his Wikipedia page says (with sources to confirm):

    On December 28, 2011, Johnson formally withdrew his candidacy for the Republican presidential nomination, and declared his candidacy for the 2012 presidential nomination of the Libertarian Party.

    In addition, gay rights are not just gay marriage rights. If I understand the LIbertarian position correctly, Gary Johnson should be against ENDA.


    He was a republican candidate at one point, now he's libertarian. That's not the point, the point is the hypocrisy. And you are correct on ENDA.
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    Feb 23, 2012 3:11 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie saidArt, I've already exposed this little charade of yours by giving all of the liberals in here a hypothetical choice between voting for pro-gay marriage equality republican candidate Gary Johnson and President Obama who is officially against marriage equality, the majority said they would still vote for Obama -- because of the "OTHER issues". So don't give me this duplicitous bullshit about me only being a "fair weather friend". You only play this card when it is convenient for you, not because you ACTUALLY BELIEVE that gay right should trumps all other issues when considering a candidate. If you did, you would have called out the hypocrisy of your comrades on here.

    Gary Johnson has no more chance of winning the US Presidency than you do. Therefore, your "choice" was a fraud.

    Rather, we "liberals" (actually I'm rather pragmatic, not as liberal as you accuse me) are impressed that President Obama has been the most pro-gay rights President in US history. He's been limited in Congress by the Party of No, so to blame him and other Democrats for not doing more for gays because of Republican obstruction is the height of hypocrisy.
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    Feb 23, 2012 3:12 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said

    Oh GAWD I wish you would just STFU sometimes. Gay Marriage, when voted on by the people, more often than not has NOT been passed --- even in a generally liberal-minded state like California. You are kidding yourself if you think ALL of those votes against gay marriage are coming from right wingers. It just isn't true. No one is denying that the Republican side is the party most aligned with people who are against gay marriage, but that is slowly changing. Let's not forget that our Democratic president is also against gay marriage. If the Democrats were all THAT hell-bent on passing gay marriage, they had two years to get that done -- the silence was deafening. So, please, just stop with the incessant blaming the boogy man Republicans for everything that doesn't go the gay way, because it isn't that black or white. When put up to a vote by the people, the votes against gay marriage cross party lines and include people in the african american communities, latino communities, muslim, and on and on.


    Sometimes, like now, you need to STFU. In the context of DOMA, Obama stopped defending it and the Republicans not only blasted him for it, but decided to hire a private law firm using taxpayer dollars to continue defending it.
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    Feb 23, 2012 3:16 PM GMT
    Good point coolarmydude. Look at this:


    Oh, the irony. http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2011/05/17/177421/walker-domestic-partnership-doma/?mobile=nc
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    Feb 23, 2012 3:25 PM GMT
    meninlove said Good point coolarmydude. Look at this:


    Oh, the irony. http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2011/05/17/177421/walker-domestic-partnership-doma/?mobile=nc


    At this point, it's no longer irony, but typical.
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    Feb 23, 2012 3:28 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidOh GAWD I wish you would just STFU sometimes. Gay Marriage, when voted on by the people, more often than not has NOT been passed --- even in a generally liberal-minded state like California. You are kidding yourself if you think ALL of those votes against gay marriage are coming from right wingers. It just isn't true. No one is denying that the Republican side is the party most aligned with people who are against gay marriage, but that is slowly changing. Let's not forget that our Democratic president is also against gay marriage. If the Democrats were all THAT hell-bent on passing gay marriage, they had two years to get that done -- the silence was deafening. So, please, just stop with the incessant blaming the boogy man Republicans for everything that doesn't go the gay way, because it isn't that black or white. When put up to a vote by the people, the votes against gay marriage cross party lines and include people in the african american communities, latino communities, muslim, and on and on.

    The feeling is mutual.

    The problem with these voter referendums is that a State gets inundated with outside money, from religious groups, from the Koch brothers, even from offshore interests. Sadly, voters today can be misled by dishonest political ads, that claim schools will teach their children to be gay, that gays will molest their children, and commit every kind of perversion. This was done in California and in Maine.

    But we're not talking about voters approving a road project, or a new park. These are basic human rights, which Thomas Jefferson feared might fall victim to the "tyranny of the majority" in the new Republic that the Founders proposed. And Jefferson's prediction came true, when 52% of California voters were misled by millions of outside dollars into denying the civil rights of their own citizens. Which apparently you endorse.

    This is why such "inalienable rights" claimed in the Declaration of Independence were enshrined in the Constitution. Which said the People have all rights, the government instituted to guard them, not to deny them. Rights which you think can be denied by a simple 52%, the tyranny of the majority.
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    Feb 23, 2012 3:42 PM GMT
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    mocktwinkie saidArt, I've already exposed this little charade of yours by giving all of the liberals in here a hypothetical choice between voting for pro-gay marriage equality republican candidate Gary Johnson and President Obama who is officially against marriage equality, the majority said they would still vote for Obama -- because of the "OTHER issues". So don't give me this duplicitous bullshit about me only being a "fair weather friend". You only play this card when it is convenient for you, not because you ACTUALLY BELIEVE that gay right should trumps all other issues when considering a candidate. If you did, you would have called out the hypocrisy of your comrades on here.

    Gary Johnson has no more chance of winning the US Presidency than you do. Therefore, your "choice" was a fraud.

    Rather, we "liberals" (actually I'm rather pragmatic, not as liberal as you accuse me) are impressed that President Obama has been the most pro-gay rights President in US history. He's been limited in Congress by the Party of No, so to blame him and other Democrats for not doing more for gays because of Republican obstruction is the height of hypocrisy.


    Nonsense! My choice was hypothetical, not a fraud and resulted in a legitimate barometer as to just how much you and the other libs here actually adhere to your mantra about how gay rights should trump all other issues when supporting a candidate. It exposed an unabashed hypocrisy.
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    Feb 23, 2012 3:48 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie saidNonsense! My choice was hypothetical, not a fraud and resulted in a legitimate barometer as to just how much you and the other libs here actually adhere to your mantra about how gay rights should trump all other issues when supporting a candidate. It exposed an unabashed hypocrisy.


    Gay rights are civil rights. Pols that refuse to allow LGBT, women, etc. make their own choices and live with equal protections under the law don't deserve to hold office.

    So, if any pol you would consider voting for happens to support DOMA, for example, then you're the one left to do the soul searching, not us libs.
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    Feb 23, 2012 3:51 PM GMT
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    Feb 23, 2012 3:52 PM GMT
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    mocktwinkie saidNonsense! My choice was hypothetical, not a fraud and resulted in a legitimate barometer as to just how much you and the other libs here actually adhere to your mantra about how gay rights should trump all other issues when supporting a candidate. It exposed an unabashed hypocrisy.


    Gay rights are civil rights. Pols that refuse to allow LGBT, women, etc. make their own choices and live with equal protections under the law don't deserve to hold office.

    So, if any pol you would consider voting for happens to support DOMA, for example, then you're the one left to do the soul searching, not us libs.


    So let me ask you, if Gary Johnson, who is pro-gay marriage equality were pitted against Obama, who is against marriage equality, who would you vote for?
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    Feb 23, 2012 3:54 PM GMT
    coolarmydude saidCandPositions15-Aug-2011.png


    Whoever made that chart doesn't have the facts. Gary Johnson is in favor of marriage equality. Puts the rest of the chart into factual doubt.
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    Feb 23, 2012 3:54 PM GMT
    http://www.marriageequality.org/election2012

    There have been many updates to the chart since mid-August. Click the link.

    But as of 15 August, Gary Johnson was not in favor of gay marriage.
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    Feb 23, 2012 3:54 PM GMT
    Art_Deco saidThis is why such "inalienable rights" claimed in the Declaration of Independence were enshrined in the Constitution. Which said the People have all rights, the government instituted to guard them, not to deny them. Rights which you think can be denied by a simple 52%, the tyranny of the majority.


    More like tyranny of the stupid. That's where our political system is headed (I say we're already there).

    Take a large population, educate them poorly (if at all), allow them to vote so long as they have a pulse, and allow all sorts of outside money into campaigns to manipulate, manipulate, manipulate. Politics is now about getting as many idiots as possible to push the button for you.
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    Feb 23, 2012 3:57 PM GMT
    BTW, did I mention that despite the OP's divisit bullshit, this is wonderful news!

    Cheers for marriage equality!
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    Feb 23, 2012 4:03 PM GMT
    credo said
    mocktwinkie saidNonsense! My choice was hypothetical, not a fraud and resulted in a legitimate barometer as to just how much you and the other libs here actually adhere to your mantra about how gay rights should trump all other issues when supporting a candidate. It exposed an unabashed hypocrisy.


    Gay rights are civil rights. Pols that refuse to allow LGBT, women, etc. make their own choices and live with equal protections under the law don't deserve to hold office.

    So, if any pol you would consider voting for happens to support DOMA, for example, then you're the one left to do the soul searching, not us libs.


    I don't think you completely understand what is being argued in this thread, or what Mock said.