Houston Judge Refuses to Marry Straight Couples Because She Can't Marry Gays - YAY!

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    Feb 23, 2012 9:15 PM GMT
    Since gays can't marry in Texas, she won't marry straights. icon_biggrin.gif

    http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/23/10488677-gay-dallas-judge-wont-perform-straight-marriages
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    Feb 23, 2012 11:02 PM GMT
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    CuriousJockAZI don't think she should be sued, but she should be fired. Not only is she not doing the job she was hired to do, she is reflecting badly on the whole department with all the bad publicity she has caused.


    Art_DecoAgreed. For failing to perform the civil job for which she was hired, and perhaps took an oath.

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    Feb 23, 2012 11:08 PM GMT
    AMENDMENT XIV

    SECTION 1.

    All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws


    This is not a clerk of the court refusing to do her duty, this is a jurist doing her job and interpreting law.
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    Feb 23, 2012 11:14 PM GMT
    adam228 saidAMENDMENT XIV

    SECTION 1.

    All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws


    This is not a clerk of the court refusing to do her duty, this is a jurist doing her job and interpreting law.


    The judge isn't the one denying gays from getting married. And it's rather weak that if that is the judge's basis, then why is she passing on the straight requests for marriage to other judges??
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    Feb 23, 2012 11:18 PM GMT
    coolarmydude saidhttp://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1850089
    Oct 01, 2011 5:26 PM

    CuriousJockAZI don't think she should be sued, but she should be fired. Not only is she not doing the job she was hired to do, she is reflecting badly on the whole department with all the bad publicity she has caused.


    Art_DecoAgreed. For failing to perform the civil job for which she was hired, and perhaps took an oath.



    In the state of Texas as a judge you are not required to sign off on a marriage license. Good for her for standing up for what she believes in.
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    coolarmydude saidhttp://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1850089
    Oct 01, 2011 5:26 PM

    CuriousJockAZI don't think she should be sued, but she should be fired. Not only is she not doing the job she was hired to do, she is reflecting badly on the whole department with all the bad publicity she has caused.


    Art_DecoAgreed. For failing to perform the civil job for which she was hired, and perhaps took an oath.



    Fair point. Although since in this particular case I am biased, I'll admit that I think it'll suck if she loses her job, even though Henry David Thoreau has stated that there are consequences like this for civil disobedience.
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    Feb 23, 2012 11:29 PM GMT
    I don't think she'll lose her job. As msuNtx pointed out, she's not required to perform the ceremony or sign the license, especially since she passes it off to other judges.
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    Feb 23, 2012 11:30 PM GMT
    Wouldn't it be something if Texas at least attempted to allow same-sex marriage by next year...
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    Feb 23, 2012 11:32 PM GMT
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    coolarmydude saidhttp://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1850089
    Oct 01, 2011 5:26 PM

    CuriousJockAZI don't think she should be sued, but she should be fired. Not only is she not doing the job she was hired to do, she is reflecting badly on the whole department with all the bad publicity she has caused.


    Art_DecoAgreed. For failing to perform the civil job for which she was hired, and perhaps took an oath.

    Did CuriousJock remove a post? And interesting that he could go back through thousands of my posts to quote something, that isn't relevant to this case. Kinda scary, actually.

    I THINK his quote of mine is referring to a New York State clerk who refused to issue marriage licenses to GLBT couples, although such marriages are legal in NY.

    That's apples & oranges. A clerk is required to issue a marriage license when it is legal to do so, as an administrative function. A judge is not required to preform a marriage ceremony, and may decline to do so. I think this Texas judge is a hero. icon_biggrin.gif


    I actually brought it up because I thought judges were required to perform the ceremony.
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    Feb 23, 2012 11:34 PM GMT
    coolarmydude saidWouldn't it be something if Texas at least attempted to allow same-sex marriage by next year...


    Bahahah very funny. Texas will be one of the last states to do it. They will only do it if forced by the Federal Gov't. Gay sex was a criminal activity until 2003.

    She may not be re-elected however.
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    Feb 23, 2012 11:35 PM GMT
    coolarmydude said
    Art_Deco said
    coolarmydude saidhttp://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1850089
    Oct 01, 2011 5:26 PM

    CuriousJockAZI don't think she should be sued, but she should be fired. Not only is she not doing the job she was hired to do, she is reflecting badly on the whole department with all the bad publicity she has caused.


    Art_DecoAgreed. For failing to perform the civil job for which she was hired, and perhaps took an oath.

    Did CuriousJock remove a post? And interesting that he could go back through thousands of my posts to quote something, that isn't relevant to this case. Kinda scary, actually.

    I THINK his quote of mine is referring to a New York State clerk who refused to issue marriage licenses to GLBT couples, although such marriages are legal in NY.

    That's apples & oranges. A clerk is required to issue a marriage license when it is legal to do so, as an administrative function. A judge is not required to preform a marriage ceremony, and may decline to do so. I think this Texas judge is a hero. icon_biggrin.gif


    I actually brought it up because I thought judges were required to perform the ceremony.

    Nope, a judge can decline to perform a marriage.
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    Feb 24, 2012 2:35 AM GMT
    msuNtx said
    coolarmydude saidWouldn't it be something if Texas at least attempted to allow same-sex marriage by next year...


    Bahahah very funny. Texas will be one of the last states to do it. They will only do it if forced by the Federal Gov't. Gay sex was a criminal activity until 2003.

    She may not be re-elected however.


    Nope off with her head.
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    Feb 24, 2012 2:37 AM GMT
    Maybe it's her religious beliefs that compel her not to conduct opposite sex marriages.
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    Feb 24, 2012 2:38 AM GMT
    One is to ponder after all the times the OP has already been married, how he could possibly feel hard done by now?

    After all it's not as if he is a Bona Fide homosexual, and never had access to marriage!
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    Feb 24, 2012 2:44 AM GMT
    TrueBlueAussie saidOne is to ponder after all the times the OP has already been married, how he could possibly feel hard done by now?

    After all it's not as if he is a Bona Fide homosexual, and never had access to marriage!
    Ya know, if I had to walk a mile in your shoes, I'd kill myself before taking the first step.
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    Feb 24, 2012 10:12 PM GMT
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