Conservative Chickens Come Home To Roost

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    Feb 25, 2012 8:19 PM GMT
    http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/arizona-debate-conservative-chickens-come-home-to-roost-20120223

    This article is a great entertaining and insightful read on the downward death spiral of the Repub party.
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    Feb 25, 2012 9:55 PM GMT
    It would be amusing if it wasn't so scarily accurate.
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    Feb 25, 2012 11:16 PM GMT
    But they still have a base, that may put one of these lunatics into the White House. And we have guys right here in RJ, who post their "OBAMA FAILS AGAIN..." propaganda and try to sway voters to support these lunatics.

    The battle isn't over yet, and it will be decided by the weak minded, who will believe the propaganda from the Right. Just as we see the talking points propaganda posted here.
  • KissTheSky

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    Feb 25, 2012 11:38 PM GMT
    I feel like we're watching the Republican Party drown in its own vomit: the party is dying, and it ain't death with dignity.

    In recent years, the GOP has had many "jump the shark" moments, but I think the popularity of Rick Santorum may be the straw that gagged the camel. Every day it's a new set of absurd lies and religious delusions /psychosexual fantasies. Now he's saying that prenatal testing (which is 100% responsible medical care for expectant mothers) is sinful and Obama uses this to abort handicapped people.icon_rolleyes.gif He's saying the Protestant church is controlled by Satan, that the Netherlands is euthanizing elderly people against their will... I think his disturbed mind actually believes these outrageous lies -- he's completely disconnected from reality. And yet he's the Republican front-runner.
    Is anyone in the party asking themselves how they arrived at this new low?

    The current incarnation of the Republican party seems so out of touch with mainstream America that I think after they lose the next election, it may split into two parties:
    1) a fiscally-conservative/socially moderate/libertarian party
    2) the religious theocrats who want to control everyone's private lives

    The two wings are too different from each other to stay in the same party forever... in many ways they're opposites. Plus I assume they'll eventually get tired of losing elections, right?
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    Feb 26, 2012 1:13 AM GMT
    Art_Deco saidBut they still have a base, that may put one of these lunatics into the White House. And we have guys right here in RJ, who post their "OBAMA FAILS AGAIN..." propaganda and try to sway voters to support these lunatics.

    The battle isn't over yet, and it will be decided by the weak minded, who will believe the propaganda from the Right. Just as we see the talking points propaganda posted here.





    Yup.

    The Repubs will say anything and do anything to try to win an election.
    They will spin lie cheat steal rewrite history - do ANYTHING to try get in power.

    I'm sure that will be true yet again in this election.
    We can't let our guard down for one minute.

    Not until after President Obama is safely reelected.

    The stakes are too high.
    We just can't afford to have another Repub in the White House.
    For so many reasons -including LITERALLY.

    The budget proposals of Romney Santorum and Gingrich would all enlarge the National Debt MORE than President Obama's economic proposals.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/wonkbook-what-the-gop-candidates-would-really-do-to-deficits/2012/02/23/gIQANQN9UR_blog.html

  • HndsmKansan

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    Feb 26, 2012 3:06 AM GMT
    It no longer is the "Republican party", its the "Repugnant party"

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    Feb 26, 2012 3:20 AM GMT
    Seems like I read this article every 4 years...

    Amazing how many times the Republican party dies off.
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    Feb 26, 2012 4:00 AM GMT
    Larkin saidSeems like I read this article every 4 years...

    Amazing how many times the Republican party dies off.


    Actually, I've never seen it like this, nor have I read of any belief that the Republican Party was imploding until this cycle. At least not since the Goldwater election and I think that's where they're heading.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Feb 26, 2012 5:02 AM GMT
    Wishful thinking much? C'mon guys...The Republican Party survived Richard Nixon for God's sake. I think it can survive a GOP primary season. LOL
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    Feb 26, 2012 12:50 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidWishful thinking much? C'mon guys...The Republican Party survived Richard Nixon for God's sake. I think it can survive a GOP primary season. LOL


    But that's the problem doncha think?
    We survived Richard Nixon
    We survived Herbert Hoover
    We survived the worst Presidency in the history of Presidencies ..... And the republicans still aren't dead .... And there are people still willing to continue with their failed policies

    You're the polical equivalent of Freddy Kruger ..... Nightmare on K Street
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    Feb 26, 2012 1:44 PM GMT
    KissTheSky saidThe current incarnation of the Republican party seems so out of touch with mainstream America that I think after they lose the next election, it may split into two parties:
    1) a fiscally-conservative/socially moderate/libertarian party
    2) the religious theocrats who want to control everyone's private lives


    Spot on.

    I'm hoping that this is exactly what happens, and that it lays the ground-work for a multi-party system in this country someday.

    A possible outcome:

    Both wings would probably like to claim the legacy of the GOP but may want to "reboot"... but I see the fiscal cons/social moderates linking up with PaleoCons and libertarians (which could pull them out of the Libertarian Party and to a lesser degree the Constitution Party orbit). This could also pull a few Blue Dog Democrats into a "reconstituted" party that could potentially move the Democratic Party further left toward a European Social Democrat/Socialist model.

    The social cons (who trend toward Big Statism/fiscal liberal policy to drive their social con agendas) would drift even farther to a theonomist/radical right axis with Christian Reconstructionists and Dominionists and possibly even secessionists/white nationalists.

    The net effect of this could be a deconcentration of power in party politics, and a forcing of government by coalition and compromise.
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    Feb 26, 2012 1:57 PM GMT
    That was a good read. It's sad to see that the way to energize the GOP base is with fear mongering and stances that promote divisiveness. Any candidate who latches onto this MO is going to have to do a lot of explaining to the independent moderates for the general election.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Feb 26, 2012 3:05 PM GMT
    GQjock said
    But that's the problem doncha think?
    We survived Richard Nixon
    We survived Herbert Hoover
    We survived the worst Presidency in the history of Presidencies ..... And the republicans still aren't dead .... And there are people still willing to continue with their failed policies



    That's because, while you and others are entitled to your opinion, the fact is that it is debatable as what constitutes a "failed policy" and who is responsible. The Republicans are not dead, nor will they likely ever be any more than Democrats would be. This whole thing is cyclical, has been forever, and will continue to be. The pendulum swings from one side to the other eventually --- always has, and I suspect it always will. Though I do believe that a 3rd Party with a very real chance of winning could emerge in the next few years IF the stalemate in Washington continues. It would be great to see the best of both sides converge into a viable 3rd Party. The time is probably long overdue for this to become a reality.
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    Feb 26, 2012 3:35 PM GMT
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    KissTheSky saidThe current incarnation of the Republican party seems so out of touch with mainstream America that I think after they lose the next election, it may split into two parties:
    1) a fiscally-conservative/socially moderate/libertarian party
    2) the religious theocrats who want to control everyone's private lives


    Spot on.

    I'm hoping that this is exactly what happens, and that it lays the ground-work for a multi-party system in this country someday.



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  • HndsmKansan

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    Feb 26, 2012 3:46 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidWishful thinking much? C'mon guys...The Republican Party survived Richard Nixon for God's sake. I think it can survive a GOP primary season. LOL



    A little before my time, Todd... but that was one crook...the right wing is,
    well.. ick..

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    Feb 26, 2012 4:13 PM GMT
    HndsmKansan said
    CuriousJockAZ saidWishful thinking much? C'mon guys...The Republican Party survived Richard Nixon for God's sake. I think it can survive a GOP primary season. LOL



    A little before my time, Todd... but that was one crook...the right wing is,
    well.. ick..

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    Richard Nixon was a moderate as was Reagan compared to these Christian Talaban we've got now leading the repugnicans.

    Nixons main problem was he was power crazed, that's what brought him down, not extreme far right idiocy like we're seeing now.
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    Feb 26, 2012 4:18 PM GMT
    realifedad said
    HndsmKansan said
    CuriousJockAZ saidWishful thinking much? C'mon guys...The Republican Party survived Richard Nixon for God's sake. I think it can survive a GOP primary season. LOL



    A little before my time, Todd... but that was one crook...the right wing is,
    well.. ick..

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    Richard Nixon was a moderate as was Reagan compared to these Christian Talaban we've got now leading the repugnicans.

    Nixons main problem was he was power crazed, that's what brought him down, not extreme far right idiocy like we're seeing now.
    icon_wink.gifTodd wont admit that little 'factoid' though..
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    Feb 26, 2012 5:45 PM GMT
    KissTheSky saidI feel like we're watching the Republican Party drown in its own vomit: the party is dying, and it ain't death with dignity.

    In recent years, the GOP has had many "jump the shark" moments, but I think the popularity of Rick Santorum may be the straw that gagged the camel. Every day it's a new set of absurd lies and religious delusions /psychosexual fantasies. Now he's saying that prenatal testing (which is 100% responsible medical care for expectant mothers) is sinful and Obama uses this to abort handicapped people.icon_rolleyes.gif He's saying the Protestant church is controlled by Satan, that the Netherlands is euthanizing elderly people against their will... I think his disturbed mind actually believes these outrageous lies -- he's completely disconnected from reality. And yet he's the Republican front-runner.
    Is anyone in the party asking themselves how they arrived at this new low?

    The current incarnation of the Republican party seems so out of touch with mainstream America that I think after they lose the next election, it may split into two parties:
    1) a fiscally-conservative/socially moderate/libertarian party
    2) the religious theocrats who want to control everyone's private lives

    The two wings are too different from each other to stay in the same party forever... in many ways they're opposites. Plus I assume they'll eventually get tired of losing elections, right?




    If the Repub party splits into two parties they'll keep losing elections.
    They know that, so I don't think they'll split in two.

    But the Repubs are going to have to make major changes to their ideology and agenda to survive.

    The problem is that as long as there's a majority block of the party that advocates extreme nutty ideas and programs and harsh hateful social views - the Repubs are fucked.

    The far right Christian fundamentalist majority block of the Repub party will never embrace rationality or tolerance as long as they live.

    The Repub party is just going to have to wait for them to die off and be replaced by a younger more rational and tolerant generation of Repubs.

    Which will likely take at least a decade or two.

  • GQjock

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    Feb 26, 2012 6:00 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    GQjock said
    But that's the problem doncha think?
    We survived Richard Nixon
    We survived Herbert Hoover
    We survived the worst Presidency in the history of Presidencies ..... And the republicans still aren't dead .... And there are people still willing to continue with their failed policies



    That's because, while you and others are entitled to your opinion, the fact is that it is debatable as what constitutes a "failed policy" and who is responsible. The Republicans are not dead, nor will they likely ever be any more than Democrats would be. This whole thing is cyclical, has been forever, and will continue to be. The pendulum swings from one side to the other eventually --- always has, and I suspect it always will. Though I do believe that a 3rd Party with a very real chance of winning could emerge in the next few years IF the stalemate in Washington continues. It would be great to see the best of both sides converge into a viable 3rd Party. The time is probably long overdue for this to become a reality.


    Yeah ... but everytime the Pendulum swings in YOUR direction?

    We end up getting Hit in The Head icon_neutral.gif
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    Feb 26, 2012 6:56 PM GMT
    GQjock said
    CuriousJockAZ said
    GQjock said
    But that's the problem doncha think?
    We survived Richard Nixon
    We survived Herbert Hoover
    We survived the worst Presidency in the history of Presidencies ..... And the republicans still aren't dead .... And there are people still willing to continue with their failed policies



    That's because, while you and others are entitled to your opinion, the fact is that it is debatable as what constitutes a "failed policy" and who is responsible. The Republicans are not dead, nor will they likely ever be any more than Democrats would be. This whole thing is cyclical, has been forever, and will continue to be. The pendulum swings from one side to the other eventually --- always has, and I suspect it always will. Though I do believe that a 3rd Party with a very real chance of winning could emerge in the next few years IF the stalemate in Washington continues. It would be great to see the best of both sides converge into a viable 3rd Party. The time is probably long overdue for this to become a reality.


    Yeah ... but everytime the Pendulum swings in YOUR direction?

    We end up getting Hit in The Head icon_neutral.gif





    Yup.

    Every time a Repub gets elected president - we get a recession.

    Every Repub president who's been elected for more than 100 years had had at least one recession hit on his watch!
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    Feb 27, 2012 5:02 AM GMT
    Christian73 saidIt would be amusing if it wasn't so scarily delightfully accurate.


    Fixed, Christian.

    "Schadenfreude". I do agree that even this word does not explain the orgiastic, anarchy-loving, pansexual joy I feel watching the Republicans devolve into their cannibalistic fratricide.

    Moar! Moar!! Moar!!! icon_lol.gif
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    Feb 27, 2012 2:38 PM GMT
    AlphaTrigger said
    KissTheSky saidThe current incarnation of the Republican party seems so out of touch with mainstream America that I think after they lose the next election, it may split into two parties:
    1) a fiscally-conservative/socially moderate/libertarian party
    2) the religious theocrats who want to control everyone's private lives


    Spot on.

    I'm hoping that this is exactly what happens, and that it lays the ground-work for a multi-party system in this country someday.

    A possible outcome:

    Both wings would probably like to claim the legacy of the GOP but may want to "reboot"... but I see the fiscal cons/social moderates linking up with PaleoCons and libertarians (which could pull them out of the Libertarian Party and to a lesser degree the Constitution Party orbit). This could also pull a few Blue Dog Democrats into a "reconstituted" party that could potentially move the Democratic Party further left toward a European Social Democrat/Socialist model.

    The social cons (who trend toward Big Statism/fiscal liberal policy to drive their social con agendas) would drift even farther to a theonomist/radical right axis with Christian Reconstructionists and Dominionists and possibly even secessionists/white nationalists.

    The net effect of this could be a deconcentration of power in party politics, and a forcing of government by coalition and compromise.


    You are correct, except for associating any kind of "white nationals" development with social cons. It has no relation. Europe has groups trending toward more overt nationalism and it isn't connected with any kind of religion necessarily.
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    Feb 27, 2012 3:49 PM GMT
    RickRick91 said
    Yup.

    Every time a Repub gets elected president - we get a recession.




    True perhaps, but the utterly clueless (you know, like YOU) would think that the heavily democratic congress is blameless in all of it. Of course, those of us who actually are able to look at the broader picture understand the reality of plenty of blame to go around.
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    Feb 28, 2012 6:30 AM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    RickRick91 said
    Yup.

    Every time a Repub gets elected president - we get a recession.




    True perhaps, but the utterly clueless (you know, like YOU) would think that the heavily democratic congress is blameless in all of it. Of course, those of us who actually are able to look at the broader picture understand the reality of plenty of blame to go around.




    LMAO!

    Well la-di-dah!

    You're getting almost as insufferably uppity and snooty as Socal!

    And FYI - every Repub president for more than 100 years has had at least one recession hit on his watch.
    While four out of the last five Democratic presidents have had ZERO recessions hit on their watch.

    The facts speak for themselves!
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    Feb 28, 2012 6:45 AM GMT
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    AlphaTrigger said
    KissTheSky saidThe current incarnation of the Republican party seems so out of touch with mainstream America that I think after they lose the next election, it may split into two parties:
    1) a fiscally-conservative/socially moderate/libertarian party
    2) the religious theocrats who want to control everyone's private lives


    Spot on.

    I'm hoping that this is exactly what happens, and that it lays the ground-work for a multi-party system in this country someday.

    A possible outcome:

    Both wings would probably like to claim the legacy of the GOP but may want to "reboot"... but I see the fiscal cons/social moderates linking up with PaleoCons and libertarians (which could pull them out of the Libertarian Party and to a lesser degree the Constitution Party orbit). This could also pull a few Blue Dog Democrats into a "reconstituted" party that could potentially move the Democratic Party further left toward a European Social Democrat/Socialist model.

    The social cons (who trend toward Big Statism/fiscal liberal policy to drive their social con agendas) would drift even farther to a theonomist/radical right axis with Christian Reconstructionists and Dominionists and possibly even secessionists/white nationalists.

    The net effect of this could be a deconcentration of power in party politics, and a forcing of government by coalition and compromise.


    You are correct, except for associating any kind of "white nationals" development with social cons. It has no relation. Europe has groups trending toward more overt nationalism and it isn't connected with any kind of religion necessarily.


    Um...so what's the British National Party?