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Obama launches racist campaign: "African Americans for Obama"

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    QUOTE Feb 26, 2012 11:05 PM GMT
    http://www.prisonplanet.com/obama-plays-race-card-calls-on-churches-to-support-campaign.html

    "Imagine if Ron Paul announced a national campaign called ‘Whites for Ron Paul’ – he’d be vilified as a racist. And yet Barack Obama has done the equivalent of precisely that with his launch of ‘African Americans for Obama’."


    Creating a campaign targeting a racial group based on their race and nothing else as a basis for voting is unspeakably racist. I can't believe more people aren't shocked by this.

  • creature Posts: 5117
    QUOTE Feb 26, 2012 11:12 PM GMT
    What's more telling about the article on that site are the comments from the people calling Obama a racist. However, there are responses in reply section about sending blacks to the plantation and Africa. Yet not a single response to denounce those comments.

    Racists complaining about racism...
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    QUOTE Feb 26, 2012 11:17 PM GMT
    Please... It's from Alex Jones' site. He's a complete lunatic, conspiracy theorist.
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    QUOTE Feb 26, 2012 11:32 PM GMT
    It doesn't matter how "crazy" the author of this is. Why are you guys out-skirting the point? The fact of the matter is that Obama launched this campaign to appeal to voters on the basis of race. Forget the article then and WATCH the video.

    That's simply RACISM in its purest form.

    The fact that you Christian and creature don't acknowledge this as racist is just plain hypocritical.
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    QUOTE Feb 26, 2012 11:38 PM GMT
    What are your thoughts on this?

    A man from Juneau, Alaska, has filed suit with the state’s Division of Elections to bar President Obama from appearing on that state’s ballot on the basis that the President is a “Mulatto”, and “the race of ‘Negro’ or ‘Mulatto’ had no standing to be citizens of the United States under the United States Constitution.”

    Barack Hussein Obama II, Aka Barack Hussein Obama, Aka Barack H. Obama has the race status of being a “Mulatto.” Barack Obama’s father (Barack Hussein Obama I) was a full blood Negro being born Nyang’oma Kogelo, Nyanza Province, Kenya and raised in the Colony of Kenya. Barack Obama’s mother (Stanley Ann Dunham) was a white Caucasian woman being born in Wichita, Kansas on November 29, 1942 and raised in the state of Washington and in the State of Hawaii.

    Therefore:

    As stated above, for an Individual to be a Candidate for the Office of President of the United States, the Candidate must meet the qualifications set forth in the United States Constitution and one of those qualifications is that the Candidate shall be a “natural born Citizen” of the United States. As Barack Hussein Obama II is of the “Mulatto” race, his status of citizenship is founded upon the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution. Before the [purported] ratification of the Fourteenth Amendment, the race of “Negro” or “Mulatto” had no standing to be citizens of the United States under the United States Constitution.


    http://unicornbooty.com/blog/2012/02/24/alaskan-sues-to-keep-obama-off-presidential-ballot-because-hes-mixed-race/

    http://www.enewspf.com/latest-news/latest-national/31089-suit-says-obama-cant-run-in-alaska-because-hes-of-the-mulatto-race.html
  • creature Posts: 5117
    QUOTE Feb 26, 2012 11:39 PM GMT
    I'm not sure how the message "African Americans for Obama" is racist. Can you please explain that to me?

    Racism is the belief that inherent different traits in human racial groups justify discrimination. In the modern English language, the term "racism" is used predominantly as a pejorative epithet. It is applied especially to the practice or advocacy of racial discrimination of a pernicious nature.

    The above definition is taken from wikipedia. If you want to dispute its definition, we can. But if we agree that the definition is pretty much on target, then I fail to see that Obama's campaign is racist.

    If you want to accuse President Obama of not being a post-racial President with this campaign, then I can see how you may have a point.

    But racist? No.
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    QUOTE Feb 26, 2012 11:46 PM GMT
    creature saidI'm not sure how the message "African Americans for Obama" is racist. Can you please explain that to me?

    Racism is the belief that inherent different traits in human racial groups justify discrimination. In the modern English language, the term "racism" is used predominantly as a pejorative epithet. It is applied especially to the practice or advocacy of racial discrimination of a pernicious nature.

    The above definition is taken from wikipedia. If you want to dispute its definition, we can. But if we agree that the definition is pretty much on target, then I fail to see that Obama's campaign is racist.

    If you want to accuse President Obama of not being a post-racial President with this campaign, then I can see how you may have a point.

    But racist? No.


    Seriously? So if Ron Paul started a "Whites for Ron Paul" campaign you wouldn't think it's racist at all? Come on.

    "African Americans for Obama" is no less racist than stormfront which is based on unifying people based on the color of their skin. It may not actually be "racist" in a bad way but it is most definitely racist based on the standards and definitions upheld if that same rhetoric is used for anything to do with white pride type of recognition.

    So why do you call stormfront racist since it doesn't fit the definition you provided? Could it be that there's an inherent double standard?

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    QUOTE Feb 26, 2012 11:51 PM GMT
    Mock -

    Acknowledgement of race is not racism. And organizing across racial lines, particularly if a race has been historically discriminated against, is not racist.

    There are also LGBT Americans for Obama. Does that make him anti-gay?

  • southbeach150... Posts: 21845
    QUOTE Feb 26, 2012 11:51 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie saidSeriously? So if Ron Paul started a "Whites for Ron Paul" campaign you wouldn't think it's racist at all? Come on.

    "African Americans for Obama" is no less racist than stormfront which is based on unifying people based on the color of their skin. It may not actually be "racist" in a bad way but it is most definitely racist based on the standards and definitions upheld if that same rhetoric is used for anything to do with white pride type of recognition.

    So why do you call stormfront racist since it doesn't fit the definition you provided? Could it be that there's an inherent double standard?



    Mocktwinkie,

    You are attempting to discuss an issue with people of very limited intelligence. You won't get anywhere.

    Best that you just put the topic out there and then move on.

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    QUOTE Feb 26, 2012 11:52 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie said
    creature saidI'm not sure how the message "African Americans for Obama" is racist. Can you please explain that to me?

    Racism is the belief that inherent different traits in human racial groups justify discrimination. In the modern English language, the term "racism" is used predominantly as a pejorative epithet. It is applied especially to the practice or advocacy of racial discrimination of a pernicious nature.

    The above definition is taken from wikipedia. If you want to dispute its definition, we can. But if we agree that the definition is pretty much on target, then I fail to see that Obama's campaign is racist.

    If you want to accuse President Obama of not being a post-racial President with this campaign, then I can see how you may have a point.

    But racist? No.


    Seriously? So if Ron Paul started a "Whites for Ron Paul" campaign you wouldn't think it's racist at all? Come on.

    "African Americans for Obama" is no less racist than stormfront which is based on unifying people based on the color of their skin. It may not actually be "racist" in a bad way but it is most definitely racist based on the standards and definitions upheld if that same rhetoric is used for anything to do with white pride type of recognition.

    So why do you call stormfront racist since it doesn't fit the definition you provided? Could it be that there's an inherent double standard?



    Stormfront does meet the criteria the creature posted. It's a well-known hate group.
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    QUOTE Feb 27, 2012 12:03 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    mocktwinkie saidSeriously? So if Ron Paul started a "Whites for Ron Paul" campaign you wouldn't think it's racist at all? Come on.

    "African Americans for Obama" is no less racist than stormfront which is based on unifying people based on the color of their skin. It may not actually be "racist" in a bad way but it is most definitely racist based on the standards and definitions upheld if that same rhetoric is used for anything to do with white pride type of recognition.

    So why do you call stormfront racist since it doesn't fit the definition you provided? Could it be that there's an inherent double standard?



    Mocktwinkie,

    You are attempting to discuss an issue with people of very limited intelligence. You won't get anywhere.

    Best that you just put the topic out there and then move on.



    SB calling other people dumb is hilarious.
  • conservativej... Posts: 2171
    QUOTE Feb 27, 2012 12:33 AM GMT
    One of the many advantages of being black in America is that you can be overt rather than cautious in your expression of racism. Yes, racism exists in all races.

    Perhaps this is mild for a man who uses the title of sermons of an obvious racist as the theme of campaign speeches, e.g., "The Audacity of Hope," a sermon delivered by Reverend Jeremiah Wright for two decades now.
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    QUOTE Feb 27, 2012 1:04 AM GMT
    Christian73 said
    mocktwinkie said
    creature saidI'm not sure how the message "African Americans for Obama" is racist. Can you please explain that to me?

    Racism is the belief that inherent different traits in human racial groups justify discrimination. In the modern English language, the term "racism" is used predominantly as a pejorative epithet. It is applied especially to the practice or advocacy of racial discrimination of a pernicious nature.

    The above definition is taken from wikipedia. If you want to dispute its definition, we can. But if we agree that the definition is pretty much on target, then I fail to see that Obama's campaign is racist.

    If you want to accuse President Obama of not being a post-racial President with this campaign, then I can see how you may have a point.

    But racist? No.


    Seriously? So if Ron Paul started a "Whites for Ron Paul" campaign you wouldn't think it's racist at all? Come on.

    "African Americans for Obama" is no less racist than stormfront which is based on unifying people based on the color of their skin. It may not actually be "racist" in a bad way but it is most definitely racist based on the standards and definitions upheld if that same rhetoric is used for anything to do with white pride type of recognition.

    So why do you call stormfront racist since it doesn't fit the definition you provided? Could it be that there's an inherent double standard?



    Stormfront does meet the criteria the creature posted. It's a well-known hate group.


    No they aren't a hate group. A hate group calls for violence. They are a racial pride group. If you consider that racist then that's fine, just be consistent with your accusations.
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    QUOTE Feb 27, 2012 1:06 AM GMT
    Christian73 saidMock -

    Acknowledgement of race is not racism. And organizing across racial lines, particularly if a race has been historically discriminated against, is not racist.

    There are also LGBT Americans for Obama. Does that make him anti-gay?



    But you know that you would call a group called "whites for ron paul" racist, so why do you suddenly not find this racist when it's the same thing?
  • creature Posts: 5117
    QUOTE Feb 27, 2012 1:07 AM GMT
    Mocktwinkie,

    Do you believe stormfront to be racist?
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    QUOTE Feb 27, 2012 1:15 AM GMT
    creature saidMocktwinkie,

    Do you believe stormfront to be racist?


    They are racist in a certain sense -- like if someone were to say "I won't date old men", that's "ageist". So if someone says: "I won't date non-white men", it's racially oriented but I don't know if it's necessarily something "bad", as it's a personal preference and not based on a worldwide agenda. I haven't really researched all of the tenets of stormfront, but if they call for discrimination as opposed to simply furthering a cause of "advancement through numbers and celebration of their race", then they are racist in a bad way.


  • creature Posts: 5117
    QUOTE Feb 27, 2012 1:38 AM GMT
    Thanks for responding. It helps to get an idea of where you're coming from and how you are defining racism. The reason I don't see the campaign as racist because I don't believe in the racism, but not in a bad way, definition that you are using. Just like I don't see someone who doesn't date older men as being an ageist.

    If you don't mind, I'm going to use Wikipedia's entry on ageism to explain why. Here's an excerpt:

    The term was coined in 1968 by Robert Neil Butler to describe discrimination against seniors, and patterned on sexism and racism.[4] Butler defined ageism as a combination of three connected elements. Among them were prejudicial attitudes towards older people, old age, and the aging process; discriminatory practices against older people; and institutional practices and policies that perpetuate stereotypes about older people[5] The term has also been used to describe prejudice and discrimination against adolescents and children, including ignoring their ideas because they are too young, or assuming that they should behave in certain ways because of their age.[6]

    As you can see, the definition of ageism is threefold. I think the same can be applied to the term "racism." So I don't see it with his campaign.

    While you're preaching the sermons from the mountain, you might want to remind these groups of their racism. I'd hate for these racists to be linked to Ron Paul:

    http://www.facebook.com/pages/Blacks-For-Ron-Paul-2012/149083518494058

    http://www.facebook.com/pages/African-Americans-For-Ron-Paul/180006005405016

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    QUOTE Feb 27, 2012 2:37 AM GMT
    ...to add to creature's point, there's

    Asian Americans for Ron Paul 2012 | Facebook
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    QUOTE Feb 27, 2012 3:05 AM GMT
    Really guys !!! stop and think about this, Obama should have known better than to back this idea, surely he knew this would open a can of worms. Its one thing if some PAC outside his control came up with it, but for him to endorse it is just asking for trouble.

    In all fairness, how long would it take for Romney to have serious trouble if he endorsed a "MORMONS FOR ROMNEY" or "WHITE AMERICANS FOR ROMNEY" campaign ? We commoners not even involved in Politics would know better than this. I am amazed that Obama did it.
  • mlitsonata Posts: 403
    QUOTE Feb 27, 2012 3:19 AM GMT
    mocktwinkie said
    "Imagine if Ron Paul announced a national campaign called ‘Whites for Ron Paul’ – he’d be vilified as a racist. And yet Barack Obama has done the equivalent of precisely that with his launch of ‘African Americans for Obama’."

    Creating a campaign targeting a racial group based on their race and nothing else as a basis for voting is unspeakably racist. I can't believe more people aren't shocked by this.



    Actually mocktwinkie, I'm rather shocked by you. I'm wondering if you didn't watch the video, or maybe you don't understand the black community - I'm not sure. But let me explain.

    If Ron Paul started or highly supported a "White Americans for Ron Paul" campaign I would think it was most likely racist, in the derogatory sense. Why? Because historically groups who target the white community are doing so as a way of excluding the minorities without any other motive.

    In the case of Barrack Obama starting or supporting this organization "African Americans for Obama" - we have a completely different background and motive. The black community has had to overcome great adversity from slavery to the KKK and Jim Crowe laws and segregation and constant ignorance by small minded people even today. Things have gotten a lot better but there is still racism against the black community and there is still a great deal of community self confidence that needs to be gained after so many decades of oppression. This organization is about building up those people. It's about continueing to step forward into the future. It's about seeing that YES finally, you really can be anything that you want to be. Even the goddam President of the United States. It's about feeling pride in yourself - not at the detriment of anyone else - but just for yourself. You cannot compare this to a theoretical "White Ameircans for Ron Paul", they are apples and oranges.

    So yes, if you take a second to actually think about it - this is NOT racist in so much that it is not trying to bring down any other race.

    Let me ask you - if we finally got our first gay President - and they started a group "Gays for President *insert name* - would you feel the same way? There is no difference.
  • mlitsonata Posts: 403
    QUOTE Feb 27, 2012 3:54 AM GMT

    SB calling other people dumb is hilarious.


    I know right? I don't know SB at all but if he can't understand the difference between "African Americans for Obama" and "White Americans for Ron Paul" he certainly shouldn't be calling anyone dumb.
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    QUOTE Feb 27, 2012 3:59 AM GMT
    mlitsonata said
    Christian73 said
    southbeach1500 said
    mocktwinkie saidSeriously? So if Ron Paul started a "Whites for Ron Paul" campaign you wouldn't think it's racist at all? Come on.

    "African Americans for Obama" is no less racist than stormfront which is based on unifying people based on the color of their skin. It may not actually be "racist" in a bad way but it is most definitely racist based on the standards and definitions upheld if that same rhetoric is used for anything to do with white pride type of recognition.

    So why do you call stormfront racist since it doesn't fit the definition you provided? Could it be that there's an inherent double standard?



    Mocktwinkie,

    You are attempting to discuss an issue with people of very limited intelligence. You won't get anywhere.

    Best that you just put the topic out there and then move on.



    SB calling other people dumb is hilarious.


    I know right? I don't know SB at all but if he can't understand the difference between "African Americans for Obama" and "White Americans for Ron Paul" he certainly shouldn't be calling anyone dumb.



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    To a degree I understand your point about there being a difference between what Black Americans and White Americans have faced. But still, were I Obama, that is one can of worms I would not have opened. He just gave his opposition some ammunition, strained though it might be, none the less, I certainly would have advised against his doing it.
  • mlitsonata Posts: 403
    QUOTE Feb 27, 2012 4:06 AM GMT
    realifedad said


    To a degree I understand your point about there being a difference between what Black Americans and White Americans have faced. But still, were I Obama, that is one can of worms I would not have opened. He just gave his opposition some ammunition, strained though it might be, none the less, I certainly would have advised against his doing it.



    Yes, I understand what you mean. Personally, I support him in it and would have advised him to do it becaue it is a good thing and lifts people up. If everyone in history backed away from something that was right because they were afraid of the can of worms - we would live in a pretty miserable place.
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    QUOTE Feb 27, 2012 4:36 AM GMT
    LMAO.. nothing different from any of the GOP candidates and their "Jesus thumpers(christians, yeah go goggle it) for me campaigns!
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    QUOTE Feb 27, 2012 4:38 AM GMT
    People need to stop mentioning who's black and white. I don't know why people still live with such a stupid mindset or even had it in the first place. Having a campaign like that is just going to cause more drama than anything. Or it's Obama blatantly saying that his core group of support is African Americans.

    Regardless, he can get away with it because he's a race other than white. If a white man were to have something like that, everyone would be like he's being racist and not including black people...

    Sometimes I wonder how society got to be so dumb...