Do you think gay marriage should be legal in the United States?

  • Darliehast

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    Feb 27, 2012 11:13 AM GMT
    Hey friends,

    In the United States gays and lesbians can legally marry in New Hampshire, New York Massachusetts, Connecticut, Iowa, and Vermont, and Washington, DC. With the passage of Prop 8, gay and lesbian couples who were married between June and November 2009 are still legally married, but no new legal marriages can be performed in California.

    Your opinion is greatly appreciated.

    Thanks
    Darliehast
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    Feb 27, 2012 11:17 AM GMT
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  • HollywoodHist...

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    Feb 27, 2012 11:38 AM GMT
    Darliehast saidHey friends,

    In the United States gays and lesbians can legally marry in New Hampshire, New York Massachusetts, Connecticut, Iowa, and Vermont, and Washington, DC. With the passage of Prop 8, gay and lesbian couples who were married between June and November 2009 are still legally married, but no new legal marriages can be performed in California.

    Your opinion is greatly appreciated.

    Thanks
    Darliehast


    Why do you keep starting threads about gay marriage but never respond to them? It doesn't sound like you are gay yourself or that you even know a gay person (that you are aware of) otherwise you wouldn't be asking a bunch of strangers these silly questions. Fill out your profile, add a pic, join in some conversations, and then people will start talking to you earnestly.
  • calibro

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    Feb 27, 2012 2:18 PM GMT
    you sound like a market researcher... or a mole. are you maggie?!?
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    Feb 27, 2012 2:30 PM GMT
    Why would anyone on here support gay marriage? Of course marriage is meant to be between a man and a woman ONLY because that is how God intended it to be. Homosexuals are going to hell.
  • SkyMiles

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    Feb 27, 2012 2:37 PM GMT
    To answer the question: yes, gay marriage should absolutely be legal throughout the United States. There is no legal basis for discriminating against gay people who, like all citizens of the US, deserve equal representation under the law.

    No religious faith should be forced by law to marry gay people if it violates their tenets, but also no religious faith should be prevented from marrying gay people if it does not.

    Lastly, these are civil and human rights we're talking about and therefor should not be left to a vote. These are rights, it's not a freakin' popularity contest.
  • gymguy81

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    Feb 27, 2012 6:06 PM GMT
    i think there are far grater concerns in the US at the time than equality rights. how about education jobs and general finace. ooo i can get maaried but not pay for a wedding licence offieaction but i can get hitched on yeah and i cant aford to have a place for me and my hubby to live but we can get married. so let us focus on marrige rights because the closed minded word thinks it will crash the government. rather than focusing on things that ACTUALY MATTER
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    Feb 27, 2012 6:25 PM GMT
    Wow this is a interesting topic I have never thought about before. Off the bat I kinda feel like having less rights and being discriminated against is a good thing. I'm sure others agree with me.
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    Feb 27, 2012 6:30 PM GMT
    Ckfeezy saidWow this is a interesting topic I have never thought about before. Off the bat I kinda feel like having less rights and being discriminated against is a good thing. I'm sure others agree with me.


    +1
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    Feb 27, 2012 9:18 PM GMT
    From Darlie's other topic about this:

    "Hello friends,

    Thanks to sharing your valuable tips, it is a superficial kind of individualism that does not recognize the power of emerging social trends that often start with only a few individuals bucking conventional patterns of behavior. Negative social trends start with only a few aberrations. Gradually, however, social sanctions weaken and individual aberrations became a torrent, we believe there are compelling reasons why the institutionalization of gay marriage would be 1) bad for marriage, 2) bad for children, and 3) bad for society.

    Nice to meet you
    Darliehast"


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    Feb 27, 2012 9:23 PM GMT
    Pretty much covers the subject brilliantly:

    http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0805078150/independegayforu/002-4646604-0770460

    Gay Marriage: Why It Is Good for Gays, Good for Straights, and Good for America [Paperback] by Jonathan Rauch http://www.jonathanrauch.com/
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    Feb 27, 2012 9:53 PM GMT
    I think government should get-out of the marriage game just as we have separation of church and state.
  • LJay

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    Feb 27, 2012 10:12 PM GMT
    How titillating! Let's talk about gay people getting married!

    Come on, OP, get with a little respect for yourself and your audience here! If you can't deal straightforwardly with an issue, it is OK to say so. Playing with people to elicit responses which will help you to perve is not cool. It is also insulting to the feelings and intellects of people who are serious on this forum.

    Gay marriage is one of many things which should be legal all over the USA. Essentially it is resisted by those who think that our society should be brought forth whole from a 1940's Sunday School class. We need to grow past the notion that we all think alike and to embrace the principle of respect for differing opinions and ways of life.
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    Feb 27, 2012 10:15 PM GMT
    Alpha13 saidI think government should get-out of the marriage game just as we have separation of church and state.


    Agreed!
  • SkyMiles

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    Feb 27, 2012 10:19 PM GMT
    I stand with the Mormons -- every man should have multiple husbands!

    (psst, guys. I got that right, didn't I? icon_confused.gif)
  • FredMG

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    Feb 27, 2012 10:21 PM GMT
    TahoeAthlete said
    Alpha13 saidI think government should get-out of the marriage game just as we have separation of church and state.


    Agreed!


    +1

    Define marriage as a "Holy office conferred on adults by their church".

    Governments could issue "Domestic Partnership Licenses" - for $10/2 years then a $5 renewal each year their after.

    Of course this makes sense and would never actually happen.
  • metta

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    Feb 27, 2012 10:21 PM GMT
    In regards to keeping the government out of marriage.

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    Marriage has always been a civil issue until recently. It is matrimony that is a religious custom. The origins of marriage had nothing to do with religion. And religion did not want any part of it until they saw the money and control they could get from it.

    For instance, the bible "says" nothing about marriage - what they bible is "talking about" is the rite of holy matrimony and that is not a right, but a religious concept. It is a rite of passage like birth, puberty ceremonies, betrothal, matrimony and death.

    Marriage is a legal concept and always has been. It's about property rights, dowries, bride price, where families will live, who gets what land or goats. Marriage has never been about religion and matrimony is not marriage. However, it seems that most of the major religions want you to believe that it is the same thing.

    Marriage was originally a civil ceremony, not a religious one. Marriage was originally about an exchange of property. Women were originally thought of as property. That is why they had dowries.

    "This was done for many different reasons. It was to ensure alliances, binding powerful families together, and strengthening weaker families. It helped people survive in the barbaric era of early humanity. It was also to ensure that a mans children were biologically his. The female children were the mans property which he would bargain off to strengthen the power of his family while the male children would work and bring in money, also strengthening the family. Marriage existed long before Christianity existed, therefore it was created by man for survival purposes."

    We should not give marriage to religion. It was never really theirs to have.
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    Feb 27, 2012 10:22 PM GMT
    I think government should get-out of the marriage game just as it maintains the separation of church and state. Marriage confuses the issue so it should strictly be a civil contract.
  • TufLuck

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    Feb 27, 2012 10:26 PM GMT
    yes
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    Feb 27, 2012 10:34 PM GMT
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    Feb 27, 2012 10:35 PM GMT
    it should be legal everywhere...duah.
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    Feb 27, 2012 10:41 PM GMT
    "A marriage between two people is a religious sacrament, not a government licensing law."

    You'd need to tell that to the thousands and thousands and untold thousands of straight people that are not religious and are entitled to a non-religious marriage. icon_wink.gif Here's a small sampling:

    http://www.groireland.ie/getting_married.htm


    From an atheist site, another small sampling,

    "Marriage in America is indeed a contract — a contract that comes with more obligations than rights. Marriage is a civil right that is not now and has never been dependent upon any one religion or even religion in general for its justification, existence, or perpetuation. Marriage exists because people desire it and the community, working through the government, helps ensure that married couples are able to do what they need to in order to survive. At no point is religion needed or necessarily relevant."

    http://atheism.about.com/od/gaymarriage/a/MarriageCivil.htm
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    Feb 27, 2012 10:42 PM GMT
    Why does government have to get out of marriage? Marriage was not started by religion, it was started by government to figure out how to own property/protect the wife from lusty men ditching her after she gave birth to babies. Fact of the matter is religion needs to accept the fact that the government is going to make decisions without them, and they need to get out of marriage!