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metta8 Posts: 16036

QUOTE Feb 27, 2012 6:16 PM GMT
Priest Walks Out Of Woman’s Funeral Because Of Her Gay Daughter

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/02/26/priest-walks-out-of-womans-funeral-because-of-her-gay-daughter/
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QUOTE Feb 27, 2012 8:44 PM GMT
Very disturbing, very powerful, very typical of where the Christian Right, the Romneys, the Santorums, and Christian leaders want to take us. Back to the Middle Ages, where the State and the Church are nearly interchangeable.

And this priest denied a woman a Catholic graveside service, because her DAUGHTER is a lesbian? These are the religious doctrinal disputes that this country's Founders knew would doom any democracy, leading them to establish the principle of separation of church & state.

For a democracy must be by the people, and for the people. Representing ALL the people equally, and so be color blind, and gender/orientation blind, and blind to conflicting religious beliefs.

Yet the Roman Catholic Church, and other religions, have declared war on our secular Constitution, demanding that our laws be made to reflect their religious beliefs. This incident in Maryland was a religious one, but provides insights into where radical Christians want to take this country.

To remake the United States of American into the United States of Christ. And political leaders like Rick Santorum have publicly said as much.
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QUOTE Feb 27, 2012 8:46 PM GMT
This father was a hypocrite, even by the most stringent teachings of the Church. Take the argument that homosexuality is a sin at face value, for arguments sake. They claim to hate the sin and love the sinner, which means he should have embraced this woman, despite his belief that being gay is wrong.

People like this just make it all the harder for me to argue that you can be a good Christian and gay.
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QUOTE Feb 27, 2012 8:47 PM GMT
Not surprised. I have no idea why people continue to the feed the religious machine of hate, hate, and more hate. Religion has outlived its usefulness.
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QUOTE Feb 27, 2012 8:47 PM GMT
This doesn't make me happy to see but guys, I have to ask. And this goes to you too Metta...doesn't anything good ever happen to the gay community. If so, why isn't it mentioned as much as the bad news? Just a thought...
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QUOTE Feb 27, 2012 8:50 PM GMT
Where's jockfever now?
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QUOTE Feb 27, 2012 8:51 PM GMT

Steel1 saidThis doesn't make me happy to see but guys, I have to ask. And this goes to you too Metta...doesn't anything good ever happen to the gay community. If so, why isn't it mentioned as much as the bad news? Just a thought...

How about all the states affirming gay marriage? This question could be asked of practically any topic, since the media loves to focus on negative stories in general.
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QUOTE Feb 27, 2012 8:54 PM GMT

Steel1 saidThis doesn't make me happy to see but guys, I have to ask. And this goes to you too Metta...doesn't anything good ever happen to the gay community. If so, why isn't it mentioned as much as the bad news? Just a thought...

There has been plenty of good news. You just need to look for it. Just a few decades ago, it was mostly negative, but over time, I have seen more and more positive news. And it will continue to keep growing. But it is important to be aware of what the heck is going on out there, whether it is positive or negative.
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QUOTE Feb 27, 2012 8:54 PM GMT
Umm... look at him in this video:

http://vimeo.com/29653222

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QUOTE Feb 27, 2012 8:57 PM GMT

Young_Sir said
Steel1 saidThis doesn't make me happy to see but guys, I have to ask. And this goes to you too Metta...doesn't anything good ever happen to the gay community. If so, why isn't it mentioned as much as the bad news? Just a thought...

How about all the states affirming gay marriage? This question could be asked of practically any topic, since the media loves to focus on negative stories in general.

I see so much negative news on this site and to be honest, it pisses me off. People around here love to talk about how bad things are for gay men and they forget how lucky things are. Yes, intolerance is out there but there are also millions of people that love and support gay people. But you never hear about that, do you?
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QUOTE Feb 27, 2012 8:58 PM GMT

Steel1 said
Young_Sir said
Steel1 saidThis doesn't make me happy to see but guys, I have to ask. And this goes to you too Metta...doesn't anything good ever happen to the gay community. If so, why isn't it mentioned as much as the bad news? Just a thought...

How about all the states affirming gay marriage? This question could be asked of practically any topic, since the media loves to focus on negative stories in general.

I see so much negative news on this site and to be honest, it pisses me off. People around here love to talk about how bad things are for gay men and they forget how lucky things are. Yes, intolerance is out there but there are also millions of people that love and support gay people. But you never hear about that, do you?

We have pedi-cabs in the French Quarter and when i was stuck in traffic one time (with the top down) a couple from out of town riding on the back of one tried to set me up with the guy pedaling them
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QUOTE Feb 27, 2012 8:59 PM GMT

Steel1 saidThis doesn't make me happy to see but guys, I have to ask. And this goes to you too Metta...doesn't anything good ever happen to the gay community. If so, why isn't it mentioned as much as the bad news? Just a thought...

It is mentioned. You just have a negative schema which helps you look for bad things and ignore good things on RJ. There's nothing wrong with Metta8, just something wrong with you. Metta8 is the best thing to happen to RJ because he counter-balances all the superficial happy shit threads that go on routinely with his reality threads.
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k3l3k0 Posts: 2772

QUOTE Feb 27, 2012 9:00 PM GMT

Steel1 saidThis doesn't make me happy to see but guys, I have to ask. And this goes to you too Metta...doesn't anything good ever happen to the gay community. If so, why isn't it mentioned as much as the bad news? Just a thought...

Because the bad is always easier to focus on... unfortunately
People will always try to complain to as many people as possible if there is a problem too. For example: drug side effect sites... the majority of posts on them are about how terrible each drug is...
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QUOTE Feb 27, 2012 9:00 PM GMT
See what a mean? There is a ton of good out there and people need to think about this more than the negative. Not everyone in the world is out to do bad things.
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QUOTE Feb 27, 2012 9:00 PM GMT

Steel1 saidThis doesn't make me happy to see but guys, I have to ask. And this goes to you too Metta...doesn't anything good ever happen to the gay community. If so, why isn't it mentioned as much as the bad news? Just a thought...

I'm not sure whether your last question is mentioned at Metta as far as his thread topics concerning the gay community, but I'll answer it either way.

If this is about your view that nothing really is happening positive towards the gay community, consider that more states are currently legalizing gay marriage, and the overall national opinion on gay marriage is favorable for a year now. That's progress. Then there is the repeal of DADT...that's progress...

But if your question is surmised as I think it is, that Metta only starts threads highlighting the plight of the gay community and the injustices and struggles we face, then so be it! Just because achievements are made, we should never be blind to the long road to equality and fair justice that remains ahead of us, the gay community. To do so is absolutely foolish.
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JakeBenson Posts: 8341

QUOTE Feb 27, 2012 9:02 PM GMT

Steel1 saidSee what a mean? There is a ton of good out there and people need to think about this more than the negative. Not everyone in the world is out to do bad things.

I think you're pretty fucking retarded. How's that for negative?

Someone's getting denied their right to mourn for their parent and the person who treated them bad deserves vilification. And all you can do is think, like some kind of coked out circuit party gay, "gee why do we have to be so negative?" I'm sure if Hitler rose to power and started killing the Jews again you'd be annoyed every time someone makes a post about it complaining.
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QUOTE Feb 27, 2012 9:03 PM GMT

coolarmydude said
Steel1 saidThis doesn't make me happy to see but guys, I have to ask. And this goes to you too Metta...doesn't anything good ever happen to the gay community. If so, why isn't it mentioned as much as the bad news? Just a thought...

I'm not sure whether your last question is mentioned at Metta as far as his thread topics concerning the gay community, but I'll answer it either way.

If this is about your view that nothing really is happening positive towards the gay community, consider that more states are currently legalizing gay marriage, and the overall national opinion on gay marriage is favorable for a year now. That's progress. Then there is the repeal of DADT...that's progress...

But if your question is surmised as I think it is, that Metta only starts threads highlighting the plight of the gay community and the injustices and struggles we face, then so be it! Just because achievements are made, we should never be blind to the long road that remains ahead of us, the gay community. To do so is absolutely foolish.

Yes I agree, the gay community has a long ways to go. But it's just as foolish to forget the people that help along the way and to keep looking back, constantly remembering all the bad that's happened.
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QUOTE Feb 27, 2012 9:04 PM GMT

k3l3k0 said
Steel1 saidThis doesn't make me happy to see but guys, I have to ask. And this goes to you too Metta...doesn't anything good ever happen to the gay community. If so, why isn't it mentioned as much as the bad news? Just a thought...

Because the bad is always easier to focus on... unfortunately
People will always try to complain to as many people as possible if there is a problem too. For example: drug side effect sites... the majority of posts on them are about how terrible each drug is...

If you don't focus on negativity then you don't know how to improve. If negativity does not exist then neither does positivity. There's such things as negativity overkill like Fox News which focuses on terrorism and murders. But there's also such things as IT'S YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO BE PART OF THE FUCKING SOLUTION AND ACT IF YOU WANT GAY RIGHTS TO ADVANCE FURTHER.

Do you want to know why you have the freedom to parade around looking like a fairy at a gay club? Because gays made it ok by complaining about the unfair treatment from police at gay places and in public.

Do you want to mourn your dead mother in the future without your priest saying "bitch get outa here Jesus don't like you gays?" Then start complaining about the mistreatment of this gay daughter from Maryland.
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QUOTE Feb 27, 2012 9:05 PM GMT

Steel1 saidSee what a mean? There is a ton of good out there and people need to think about this more than the negative. Not everyone in the world is out to do bad things.

With all due respect, you're incredibly naive.
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QUOTE Feb 27, 2012 9:06 PM GMT

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Steel1 saidSee what a mean? There is a ton of good out there and people need to think about this more than the negative. Not everyone in the world is out to do bad things.

I think you're pretty fucking retarded. How's that for negative?

Someone's getting denied their right to mourn for their parent and the person who treated them bad deserves vilification. And all you can do is think, like some kind of coked out circuit party gay, "gee why do we have to be so negative?" I'm sure if Hitler rose to power and started killing the Jews again you'd be annoyed every time someone makes a post about it complaining.

Lol you know what, this is what I can't stand about this site. Some of you guys can't take another opinion at all. You jump to all kinds of conclusions and you really get nasty when there's really no need to. This is a forum where people can speak their mind and some of you act like your way is the only way to think. If you want to stay miserable and always focus on the negative, that's your choice. All I'm trying to say is that there's some good out there and I get insulted...
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coolarmydude Posts: 8005

QUOTE Feb 27, 2012 9:07 PM GMT

Steel1 said
Yes I agree, the gay community has a long ways to go. But it's just as foolish to forget the people that help along the way and to keep looking back, constantly remembering all the bad that's happened.

You're simply not paying attention, especially in the threads where a lot of kudos and encouragement go around.
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coolarmydude Posts: 8005

QUOTE Feb 27, 2012 9:08 PM GMT

Steel1 said

Lol you know what, this is what I can't stand about this site. Some of you guys can't take another opinion at all. You jump to all kinds of conclusions and you really get nasty when there's really no need to. This is a forum where people can speak their mind and some of you act like your way is the only way to think. If you want to stay miserable and always focus on the negative, that's your choice. All I'm trying to say is that there's some good out there and I get insulted...

And your remarks about Metta's threads are??????
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JakeBenson Posts: 8341

QUOTE Feb 27, 2012 9:12 PM GMT

Steel1 said
JakeBenson said
Steel1 saidSee what a mean? There is a ton of good out there and people need to think about this more than the negative. Not everyone in the world is out to do bad things.

I think you're pretty fucking retarded. How's that for negative?

Someone's getting denied their right to mourn for their parent and the person who treated them bad deserves vilification. And all you can do is think, like some kind of coked out circuit party gay, "gee why do we have to be so negative?" I'm sure if Hitler rose to power and started killing the Jews again you'd be annoyed every time someone makes a post about it complaining.

Lol you know what, this is what I can't stand about this site. Some of you guys can't take another opinion at all. You jump to all kinds of conclusions and you really get nasty when there's really no need to. This is a forum where people can speak their mind and some of you act like your way is the only way to think. If you want to stay miserable and always focus on the negative, that's your choice. All I'm trying to say is that there's some good out there and I get insulted...

There's a difference between speaking one's mind and being a fucking idiot. Speaking one's mind is commenting on the topic at hand. Being a fucking idiot is commenting on the original poster as if they are somehow the problem, but not the anti-gay priest at the funeral. That makes you a fucking idiot. There's nothing negative about that. I'm laughing that you're so fucking stupid. In fact, you make me happy. There, I just posted on the positivity by laughing at your sheer lack of understanding of basic logic. If you feel I'm bad about saying this then that's your choice by spinning me into the negative one. But I'm not. You are the negative one by perpetuating negativity through denial of it.
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k3l3k0 Posts: 2772

QUOTE Feb 27, 2012 9:13 PM GMT

JakeBenson said
k3l3k0 said
Steel1 saidThis doesn't make me happy to see but guys, I have to ask. And this goes to you too Metta...doesn't anything good ever happen to the gay community. If so, why isn't it mentioned as much as the bad news? Just a thought...

Because the bad is always easier to focus on... unfortunately
People will always try to complain to as many people as possible if there is a problem too. For example: drug side effect sites... the majority of posts on them are about how terrible each drug is...

If you don't focus on negativity then you don't know how to improve. If negativity does not exist then neither does positivity. There's such things as negativity overkill like Fox News which focuses on terrorism and murders. But there's also such things as IT'S YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO BE PART OF THE FUCKING SOLUTION AND ACT IF YOU WANT GAY RIGHTS TO ADVANCE FURTHER.

Do you want to know why you have the freedom to parade around looking like a fairy at a gay club? Because gays made it ok by complaining about the unfair treatment from police at gay places and in public.

Do you want to mourn your dead mother in the future without your priest saying "bitch get outa here Jesus don't like you gays?" Then start complaining about the mistreatment of this gay daughter from Maryland.

I think you think I was saying that complaining is wrong. I did not say that though. It has a time and a place - like in the case of this Priest.
Just stated an observation on human behaviour.
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YVRguy Posts: 398

QUOTE Feb 27, 2012 9:13 PM GMT
Hold on:

"She was the first in line and Fr. Guarnizo covered the bowl containing the host and said to her, “I cannot give you communion because you live with a woman and that is a sin according to the church.” To add insult to injury, Fr. Guarnizo left the altar when she delivered her eulogy to her mother. When the funeral was finished he informed the funeral director that he could not go to the gravesite to deliver the final blessing because he was sick"

Starting in reverse order: the Priest said he was sick. Is it so hard to take him at his word. Perhaps that's why he walked out on the eulogy. Maybe he didn't want to upchuck. Nowhere in the article did it say that the priest refused the grave side service because of the daughter's sexual orientation.

And secondly, the Catholic church has repeatedly said being gay is not a sin, having sex without marriage and the intent to have kids, is. Regardless of whether you accept that, the Priest was affirming church policy which, if I recall correctly, is to deny communion to anyone who the priest has reasonable belief that is unapologetically sinning. That's part of the reason why Catholics are supposed to regularly do confession and why priests have in the past have controversially refused to give communion to politicians who are openly pro-choice.

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