Will Michigan Democrats help Romney to fall on his face in Tuesday's primary?

  • HndsmKansan

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    Feb 27, 2012 11:27 PM GMT
    Mixed messages as to whether Romney is gaining or fading in the last couple of days in the run up to Michigan's republican primary.

    We do know this much

    1. Open primary... democrats can vote and there is "encouragement"
    by Michigan democrats to vote for Santorum (to help wreck the ship, so to speak)

    2. Some resent Romney because of his commentary on the auto bail out.

    3. Romney & Santorum are close

    4. If Romney loses, it could create some degree of havock.... how sad...

    So, will the democratic "Romney wreckers" really have much of an impact or is it all about nothing?

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    Feb 27, 2012 11:51 PM GMT
    Your title presupposes a loss would mean falling on his face. It would obviously be better for Romney if he won Michigan, but the primary is open and the Democrats and UAW have been actively encouraging Democrats to get a Republican ballot, which is legal, and vote for Santorum. If it is clear, e.g. via exit polls, that this leads to a Santorum win, then that will have a major impact on the interpretation of the results.

    Wish primaries were not open, or at least have a basic economics quiz as a voting pre-requisite to keep most of the Dems out. icon_lol.gif
  • HndsmKansan

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    Feb 28, 2012 12:10 AM GMT
    socalfitness said

    Wish primaries were not open, or at least have a basic economics quiz as a voting pre-requisite to keep most of the Dems out. icon_lol.gif


    If that were a pre-requisite the whole primary would implode... we could call it "trickle down primary failure"

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    Feb 28, 2012 12:13 AM GMT
    HndsmKansan said
    socalfitness said

    Wish primaries were not open, or at least have a basic economics quiz as a voting pre-requisite to keep most of the Dems out. icon_lol.gif


    If that were a pre-requisite the whole primary would implode... we could call it "trickle down primary failure"

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    Well your ability to maintain some humor should provide you some comfort in November. Some of your compadres, already upset and with hurt feelings, may not fare nearly as well.
  • creature

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    Feb 28, 2012 12:17 AM GMT
    HndsmKansan,

    Do you know how long the effort has been going on to get Democrats to vote for Santorum or anyone but Romney in the open primaries? I hope it was coordinated well in advance to get a lot of people involved.

    I would do it myself, but Maryland doesn't have an open primary for the Republican caucus this year.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Feb 28, 2012 12:19 AM GMT
    socalfitness said
    HndsmKansan said
    socalfitness said

    Wish primaries were not open, or at least have a basic economics quiz as a voting pre-requisite to keep most of the Dems out. icon_lol.gif


    If that were a pre-requisite the whole primary would implode... we could call it "trickle down primary failure"

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    Well your ability to maintain some humor should provide you some comfort in November. Some of your compadres, already upset and with hurt feelings, may not fare nearly as well.


    Well and bravely said.... keep it up John, you'll need it!
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  • conservativej...

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    Feb 28, 2012 1:07 AM GMT
    Fate quite often lends a hand, as do things far greater.

    Someone once said, "I will do all I can to stop him." How ironic fate has come into play.
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    Feb 28, 2012 6:48 AM GMT
    socalfitness said
    HndsmKansan said
    socalfitness said

    Wish primaries were not open, or at least have a basic economics quiz as a voting pre-requisite to keep most of the Dems out. icon_lol.gif


    If that were a pre-requisite the whole primary would implode... we could call it "trickle down primary failure"

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    Well your ability to maintain some humor should provide you some comfort in November. Some of your compadres, already upset and with hurt feelings, may not fare nearly as well.





    You'd better schedule your electric shock therapy treatments for November 7th!

    Plan ahead for your inevitable mental breakdown!
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    Feb 28, 2012 8:41 AM GMT
    RickRick91 said
    socalfitness said
    HndsmKansan said
    socalfitness said

    Wish primaries were not open, or at least have a basic economics quiz as a voting pre-requisite to keep most of the Dems out. icon_lol.gif


    If that were a pre-requisite the whole primary would implode... we could call it "trickle down primary failure"

    icon_lol.gif


    Well your ability to maintain some humor should provide you some comfort in November. Some of your compadres, already upset and with hurt feelings, may not fare nearly as well.

    You'd better schedule your electric shock therapy treatments for November 7th!

    Plan ahead for your inevitable mental breakdown!
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    Could you give us some first person insights as to how those treatments go? A while back, you continually disappeared for a while only to reappear briefly. It was apparent your forum presence was associated with your furloughs at home. If things don't go your way in coming months, can you get the care you need in NY, or will you have to go back to AZ?
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    Feb 28, 2012 12:57 PM GMT
    My post from Feb 15th: Interesting its a crossover state so Dems, Independents and Reps can vote. If I can recollect, this helped Wallace with his 1972 Dem win (51%) as there was no real opposition to President Nixon on the GOP side (N.B.: the primary was also the day after the Wallace assassination attempt so there may have been a strong sympathy vote too) so there was a strong crossover vote for Wallace. In 1976, Jimmy Carter pretty much had his party's nomination locked down by the mid May primary date and there was significant crossover potential as the Wallace voter in 1972 - 800,000 strong - were technically up for grabs as the parapalegic Wallace was not really in the running in this 1976 campaign. As it was, many Democrats, Republicans and Independents helped President Ford from being embarrassed in his backyard by Ronald Reagan. This outpouring of GOP support too was driven by the Ford campaign highlighting Reagan's media play for the Wallace vote and deriding interlopers coming over to infiltrate the GOP primary. Beleagured Jerry won going away - 65% to 34% - finally slowing the Reagan juggernaut that had started with his upset win in the North Carolina primary. My add here - perhaps this is why the Santorum campaign waited until the last weekend to unleash the robocalls? The Reagan effort to woo Dems was undertaken almost at the start of the focus on Michigan and even allowed the Ford campaign to run ads lambasting Reagan for petitioning interlopers to come into the GOP primary in 1976.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Feb 28, 2012 1:27 PM GMT
    socalfitness said
    RickRick91 said
    socalfitness said
    HndsmKansan said
    socalfitness said

    Wish primaries were not open, or at least have a basic economics quiz as a voting pre-requisite to keep most of the Dems out. icon_lol.gif


    If that were a pre-requisite the whole primary would implode... we could call it "trickle down primary failure"

    icon_lol.gif


    Well your ability to maintain some humor should provide you some comfort in November. Some of your compadres, already upset and with hurt feelings, may not fare nearly as well.

    You'd better schedule your electric shock therapy treatments for November 7th!

    Plan ahead for your inevitable mental breakdown!
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    Could you give us some first person insights as to how those treatments go? A while back, you continually disappeared for a while only to reappear briefly. It was apparent your forum presence was associated with your furloughs at home. If things don't go your way in coming months, can you get the care you need in NY, or will you have to go back to AZ?



    This thread was to be kind of humorous and certainly not intended for nasty
    swipes. Why does this process always have to turn on personal insults?

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    Feb 28, 2012 1:40 PM GMT
    Agreed...hey folks that kind of discussion isnt friendly banter...Lets walk it back please!
  • GQjock

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    Feb 28, 2012 1:44 PM GMT
    To answer your original question HK?

    Are the Trees the Right Height?

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    Feb 28, 2012 2:34 PM GMT
    I don't support open primaries. It should be the exclusive business of the members of each political party to select their nominee, it's not the General Election yet.

    But, since they do exist in some States, then naturally members of opposing parties will try to skew the outcome so that the weakest candidate is chosen by their opponents, not the strongest. And so long as Republicans can muck with Democratic primaries, then Democrats should return the favor, and vice versa. But I'd rather open primaries didn't exist.

    In this case the overwhelming Democrat favorite has to be Rick Sanitorium. This guy gets nuttier with every pubic statement, and while he may be thrilling the right-wing fundamentalist base, he's alienating Independents, and unlikely to win over any Democrats. Although his base would never admit it, Sanitorium as a Presidential candidate in the Fall would become one of the epic meltdowns in US political history.

    Romney is the only real threat left to Obama among the present contenders. That message is being trumpeted in Michigan by the Republican establishment. "You may not like Romney, but look at his national polling against Obama. Do you really have a choice if you want the White House in 2013?" And on that basis Romney has a better chance tonight than he did a few weeks ago, Democratic voter involvement or not.
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    Feb 28, 2012 7:18 PM GMT
    Art_Deco saidI don't support open primaries. It should be the exclusive business of the members of each political party to select their nominee, it's not the General Election yet.

    But, since they do exist in some States, then naturally members of opposing parties will try to skew the outcome so that the weakest candidate is chosen by their opponents, not the strongest. And so long as Republicans can muck with Democratic primaries, then Democrats should return the favor, and vice versa. But I'd rather open primaries didn't exist.

    In this case the overwhelming Democrat favorite has to be Rick Sanitorium. This guy gets nuttier with every pubic statement, and while he may be thrilling the right-wing fundamentalist base, he's alienating Independents, and unlikely to win over any Democrats. Although his base would never admit it, Sanitorium as a Presidential candidate in the Fall would become one of the epic meltdowns in US political history.

    Romney is the only real threat left to Obama among the present contenders. That message is being trumpeted in Michigan by the Republican establishment. "You may not like Romney, but look at his national polling against Obama. Do you really have a choice if you want the White House in 2013?" And on that basis Romney has a better chance tonight than he did a few weeks ago, Democratic voter involvement or not.





    Romney is trailing Obama by a wide margin in the general election match-up polls.
    He's behind Obama by double digits in many of the latest polls.
    Romney is really NOT appreciably more electable than the rest of the GOP 2012 clown crew.

    Independent voters have gotten to know Willard and have abandoned his candidacy.
    The idea that Willard Romney is more electable than the rest of the Repubs is an idea that's based on OLD polling.
    Recent polling shows his poll numbers versus Obama have fallen down to be roughly equal to Santorum's numbers.

    That's why the Repubs are still dreaming of having another Repub jump into the race.
    All the Repubs who are running are repellent and unelectable.
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    Feb 28, 2012 9:59 PM GMT
    Where's that popcorn-eating gif when you need it? Gonna be cool to see how it turns out tonight. icon_lol.gif
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    Feb 29, 2012 11:49 AM GMT
    CNN showed exit polls that 10% of the GOP vote came from Dems and 50% were backing Santorum.
  • rnch

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    Feb 29, 2012 11:52 AM GMT
    Although i am no fan of Romney; I am even less a Santorum fan.



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