are Islam and Christianity the only warring religions?

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    Feb 28, 2012 5:07 PM GMT
    I can't seem to think of a war in the ancient days by eastern religions or even jews (we don't count israel as it's a nationalistic/political issue and understandable given their neighbours).

    when i say warring religion i mean wars based PURELY on religious instruction not because of a pre-existing conflict with the other side or self-defence. war by religion only means starting a war for no other reason besides religion.
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    Feb 28, 2012 5:22 PM GMT
    In recent memory yes, I believe, unless you want to count cults as religions?

    There there would be like Aum Shinrikyo and the sarin gas attacks in 1993 in Tokyo, Which could be argued as religiously motivated.
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    Feb 28, 2012 5:59 PM GMT
    Israel is totally a religious issue as they believe Israel is JEWISH land. I dunno how that went over your head.

    But yea the three Abrahamic religion seemed to have caused the most wars/conflict.
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    Feb 28, 2012 6:03 PM GMT
    With all the damage religions have done, it amazes me that people still believe in it...much less fight over it.
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    Feb 28, 2012 6:07 PM GMT
    A number of Central Asian countries (particularly Mongolia and many parts of Siberia) were violently forced to adopt Buddhism to replace their old, shaman beliefs (others were subject to Islam). Considering how widespread Buddhist beliefs are throughout Asia, I'm sure there were plenty of conflicts in history to have the religion grow as large as it has.

    Also, many of the major Mesoamerican civilizations (Inca, Aztec, Maya, et al) were known to attack small, neighboring tribes and convert them to their culture and religion.
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    Feb 28, 2012 9:39 PM GMT
    RYkid saidIsrael is totally a religious issue as they believe Israel is JEWISH land. I dunno how that went over your head.

    But yea the three Abrahamic religion seemed to have caused the most wars/conflict.


    israel issue has pre-existing conflicts as i've mentioned. its a complicated issue because it was the british that created that and put them there and then the arab muslims ganged up on them and then as survival defence tactics they went further to create buffer zones. there isnt much of a 'kill all non-jews sentiment' in israel but more of a national security concern for their very existence.

    religious wars usually focused on killing all non-believers and heretics, that's the difference.
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    Feb 28, 2012 9:42 PM GMT
    pocketnico saidA number of Central Asian countries (particularly Mongolia and many parts of Siberia) were violently forced to adopt Buddhism to replace their old, shaman beliefs (others were subject to Islam). Considering how widespread Buddhist beliefs are throughout Asia, I'm sure there were plenty of conflicts in history to have the religion grow as large as it has.

    Also, many of the major Mesoamerican civilizations (Inca, Aztec, Maya, et al) were known to attack small, neighboring tribes and convert them to their culture and religion.


    what? are you serious? there was violent bhuddhist conversions??? this doesn't make any sense.. do you have sources?
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    Feb 28, 2012 9:51 PM GMT
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    pocketnico saidA number of Central Asian countries (particularly Mongolia and many parts of Siberia) were violently forced to adopt Buddhism to replace their old, shaman beliefs (others were subject to Islam). Considering how widespread Buddhist beliefs are throughout Asia, I'm sure there were plenty of conflicts in history to have the religion grow as large as it has.

    Also, many of the major Mesoamerican civilizations (Inca, Aztec, Maya, et al) were known to attack small, neighboring tribes and convert them to their culture and religion.


    what? are you serious? there was violent bhuddhist conversions??? this doesn't make any sense.. do you have sources?


    A religion doesn't grow as big as it does without some sort of violent conflict. But yes, even the 'peaceful' religion of Buddhism has a history of violence.

    In college I took a course on religion, spirituality, and magic that followed the evolution of spirituality throughout our species' history. We read excerpts from this book on Buddhism and how the religion did its share of bloody acts in Asia.

    http://www.amazon.com/Buddhism-Violence-Publications-International-Institute/dp/3895005452

    There are some other similar books as suggested by Amazon. My former professor had mentioned a few of them, but I haven't read them (yet).
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    Feb 28, 2012 10:01 PM GMT
    Like I said before, places like Mongolia and neighboring territories originally practiced Tengrism, which was a shamanistic set of beliefs common amongst Turkic and Mongolic tribes that were nomadic. However, they were eventually subjugated to Buddhist and Islamic forces (later Christian and atheist during the expansion of Russian and Soviet influence).

    Since the breakup of the USSR and end of the socialist government in Mongolia, the country has seen a revival in Buddhist practices even amongst its nomadic populations. Same for the Republic of Tuva in Russia, which actually declares Buddhism as its official religion. Other Central Asian countries are predominantly Muslim with significant Orthodox Christian minorities due to the presence of Russians and Ukrainians.
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    Feb 28, 2012 10:06 PM GMT
    There were no wars in Western Civilization based purely on religion or started only because of religious instruction. Most of the wars commonly (and mistakenly) blamed on religion, like the Crusades, Thirty Years War, or the Troubles, were more about expansion, self-defense, and succession than it was about religion.

    Was religion used as a motivator? Yes. But it wasn't the main cause for these wars.
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    Feb 28, 2012 10:09 PM GMT
    You're forgetting the obvious: Judaism.
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    Feb 29, 2012 2:42 AM GMT
    RYkid saidIsrael is totally a religious issue as they believe Israel is JEWISH land. I dunno how that went over your head.

    But yea the three Abrahamic religion seemed to have caused the most wars/conflict.


    this feud is biblical... it goes back THAT far
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    Feb 29, 2012 6:29 AM GMT
    Not really, and Israel is a Jewish State in the same sense that Greece is a Greek State (as distinct from a Greek Orthodox State or a Judaic State).

    Anyhow, in classical polytheist times there was no monopoly on power by deities.
    People who believed in numerous gods were more open to the existence of gods other than their own.
    It was almost territorial, with different pantheons having jurisdiction in different areas.
    When the Philistines arrived in the Levant from the Aegean, they adopted local gods.
    Later the Romans would try to bring their gods (idols) into the Temple - which elsewhere might have been accepted.

    So monotheism changed that somewhat in that now you had believers who didn't believe that those other gods existed.
    Still, under Judaism, it was ok for others to worship their (false) gods.
    For the most part, there was no proselytizing or forced conversions.

    The next step came with Christianity's doctrine of "saving souls" and Islam's concepts of Dar al Islam vs. Dar al Harb (the house of submission vs the house of war).
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    Mar 14, 2012 5:04 AM GMT
    FootballHawk saidI can't seem to think of a war in the ancient days by eastern religions or even jews (we don't count israel as it's a nationalistic/political issue and understandable given their neighbours).

    when i say warring religion i mean wars based PURELY on religious instruction not because of a pre-existing conflict with the other side or self-defence. war by religion only means starting a war for no other reason besides religion.


    Well, Judaism is based on Old Tstmnt, right ? Old Testm is full of verses about war and calls upon them.

    Christianity is more based on New Tstm, but also Old Tstmn too. So, the answer is same for as for judaism.

    Islam is based on the Quran which has verses about wars, but forbidding people or some nation to defend themselves would be even worst because thats mean to leave them on enemys mercy...to kill them all, occupy them, etc.

    So, its really not a problem with the Holy Scriptures, but with the wrong interpreting verses bout wars by some people.
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    Mar 14, 2012 5:07 AM GMT
    RYkid saidIsrael is totally a religious issue as they believe Israel is JEWISH land. I dunno how that went over your head.

    But yea the three Abrahamic religion seemed to have caused the most wars/conflict.


    Disagree.

    Also, dont forget that the worst criminal, massacres and genocides in the world or most of them committed by people who call themselves atheists; example: only one example - Soviet Union, Stalin...China...coomunism...
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    Mar 14, 2012 5:13 AM GMT
    RIGuy60 saidThere were no wars in Western Civilization based purely on religion or started only because of religious instruction. Most of the wars commonly (and mistakenly) blamed on religion, like the Crusades, Thirty Years War, or the Troubles, were more about expansion, self-defense, and succession than it was about religion.

    Was religion used as a motivator? Yes. But it wasn't the main cause for these wars.


    O wow...

    Have you ever heard about Ireland and North Ireland, protestant and Catholic war/conflict?

    Also, what you just mentioned ESP crusades...not war in the name of religion but in the name such and such - according to this all other wars in the world were on the same level then, ESP kn the Muslim World.
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    Mar 14, 2012 5:14 AM GMT
    RIGuy60 saidThere were no wars in Western Civilization based purely on religion or started only because of religious instruction. Most of the wars commonly (and mistakenly) blamed on religion, like the Crusades, Thirty Years War, or the Troubles, were more about expansion, self-defense, and succession than it was about religion.

    Was religion used as a motivator? Yes. But it wasn't the main cause for these wars.


    O wow...

    Have you ever heard about Ireland and North Ireland, protestant and Catholic war/conflict?

    Also, what you just mentioned ESP crusades...not war in the name of religion but in the name such and such - according to this all other wars in the world were on the same level then, ESP kn the Muslim World.
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    Mar 14, 2012 10:25 AM GMT
    RYkid saidIsrael is totally a religious issue as they believe Israel is JEWISH land. I dunno how that went over your head.

    But yea the three Abrahamic religion seemed to have caused the most wars/conflict.


    Sadly if Great Britten under Empire was not so narcissistic, to think it could solve the worlds problems, as well it's own. By taking land in another country to hand over to refugees in it's own country that no-one else wanted to help. Thus they took land of one group of people to give to another, and look at the conflict that still goes on to this day. But sadly the media like to portray palestine as the villains, and israel as the victims over looking the wall, and illegal land grabs that make even more Palestinians Refugees, that no one wants to help.
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    Mar 14, 2012 2:53 PM GMT
    Let's be clear on a few things:

    1. Jews have been living on this land, continuously, for 3300+ years.

    2. There was never an independent Arab state in or of "Palestine".
    Just different Arab empires that invaded, conquered, occupied and colonized it.

    "Palestine" is the Latin/European name for Eretz Yisrael, the Jewish homeland
    and early 20th century Arab denials of the existence of "Palestine".

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/349491

    3. In the 1940s, there were scores of millions of refugees across the world.
    None had a so-called "right of return".
    All have been resettled elsewhere.
    Including some 1 million Jewish refugees from Arab/Muslim countries.
    Except the Arabs who mostly fled the areas that became Israel due to the Arab war to destroy Israel.

    4. The Arab refugees and their descendants face a legislated system of apartheid in Arab lands, where they are denied the rights guaranteed to every other refugee population (which doesn't include descendents) - including the right to education, work, relocation and citizenship in their new country (not to mention that descendants, now into the 4th generation, should be citizens in the country where they - and their parents, grandparents and great-grandparents were born).

    Legislated Apartheid against Palestinian Arabs - in Arab countries
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/2156919
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    Mar 15, 2012 1:10 AM GMT
    /facepalm

    not another Pali-Israel thread ...

    inb4 AyaTrollah Pouncer and his Iranian clones show up to litter the thread with "facts" about how evil the Joooos are for pwning the various Arab claimants to the Levant.