PEOPLExpress Airlines to fly again... maybe.... based at PHF. (newport news, va)

  • hebrewman

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    Mar 01, 2012 12:29 AM GMT
    updated colors, more modern type face and logotype, along with an updated version of the 'double worm' logo.

    http://www.farecompare.com/news/the-second-coming-of-people-express-will-it-fly/

    http://www.dailypress.com/news/traffic/dp-nws-cp-new-airline-20120213,0,7035417.story

    http://www.flypex.com/
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    Mar 01, 2012 1:56 AM GMT
    Er, yeah. Does that mean I'll finally get my bag back from... 1986? or whenever it was? I was heading home to the west coast and when I was supposed to change planes around midnight in Denver, they just said. "We're going out of business. Right now. Hope you like Denver..." icon_eek.gif
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    Mar 01, 2012 2:01 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidWas discussed here in the Travel forum about 2 weeks ago:

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/2178971



    ahh. okay. did not see that. my mistake.
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    Mar 01, 2012 2:31 AM GMT
    Speculation about their new CEO from today's Memphis Commercial Appeal (Pinnacle is a Delta - former Northwest - feeder)

    Is a Memphis airline industry veteran the CEO-in-waiting for a would-be revival of an early 1980s discount airline?

    An Aviation Week blogger speculated that former Pinnacle Airlines Corp. president and CEO Phil Trenary could be waiting in the wings to lead People Express.


    Philip Trenary
    Organizers of People Express have said their CEO was a president and CEO of another airline who is restricted by a non-compete agreement until mid-March.

    Trenary left Pinnacle, a $1 billion regional airline holding company based in Memphis, last March 24. His $1.7 million consulting agreement included a one-year non-compete clause.

    People Express was a low-cost, no-frills carrier that started in the early 1980s. It eventually bought Frontier, ran into financial difficulty and was acquired by Continental.

    A group that includes executives from the original People Express recently announced a plan to resurrect the airline, with headquarters at Williamsburg/Newport News, Va., and major presence at Pittsburgh.

    Aviation Week's commercial aviation writer guessed Trenary is the mystery man because "there are not that many people who have left a president/CEO position -- especially with a non-compete clause that would expire in that time frame."

    Pinnacle officials referred questions to Trenary, who couldn't be reached Tuesday.

    Trenary has more than 25 years of experience running regional airlines, but might be on less familiar ground at a mainline carrier, Airline Weekly managing director Seth Kaplan said.

    "The skills might not be entirely transferable," Kaplan said. While regionals and mainlines have similar operational requirements, regionals rely on mainlines like Delta, United and American for ticketing, route planning and other functions.

    The speculation about Trenary comes at a time when Pinnacle is teetering on the brink of a Chapter 11 bankruptcy and share prices have plummeted to multiyear lows. Most of Trenary's top management has been replaced since he left.

    Pinnacle shares closed at $1.27 on Tuesday, compared to a 52-week high of $6.18 on the Nasdaq.

    "For someone starting a new airline, they're looking at the fact they're not going to be able to lure a very successful airline executive who's already employed," Kaplan said. "I'd imagine they'd look at other people with experience running airlines who might be available. Whether that's him as opposed to anyone else, I wouldn't know."

    Kaplan said whoever leads People Express, "It's going to be tough." Even without the challenges faced by startups, existing carriers "are having a hard time finding profitable ways to grow, especially with the way oil prices are."

  • turtleneckjoc...

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    Mar 01, 2012 3:38 AM GMT
    If the airline becomes a reality, it won't be long before they start service to Orlando...We need a carrier....anyone....to come in here and stop Southwest from taking over.
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    Mar 01, 2012 3:51 AM GMT
    NJDewd saidSpeculation about their new CEO from today's Memphis Commercial Appeal (Pinnacle is a Delta - former Northwest - feeder)

    Is a Memphis airline industry veteran the CEO-in-waiting for a would-be revival of an early 1980s discount airline?

    An Aviation Week blogger speculated that former Pinnacle Airlines Corp. president and CEO Phil Trenary could be waiting in the wings to lead People Express.


    Philip Trenary
    Organizers of People Express have said their CEO was a president and CEO of another airline who is restricted by a non-compete agreement until mid-March.

    Trenary left Pinnacle, a $1 billion regional airline holding company based in Memphis, last March 24. His $1.7 million consulting agreement included a one-year non-compete clause.

    People Express was a low-cost, no-frills carrier that started in the early 1980s. It eventually bought Frontier, ran into financial difficulty and was acquired by Continental.

    A group that includes executives from the original People Express recently announced a plan to resurrect the airline, with headquarters at Williamsburg/Newport News, Va., and major presence at Pittsburgh.

    Aviation Week's commercial aviation writer guessed Trenary is the mystery man because "there are not that many people who have left a president/CEO position -- especially with a non-compete clause that would expire in that time frame."

    Pinnacle officials referred questions to Trenary, who couldn't be reached Tuesday.

    Trenary has more than 25 years of experience running regional airlines, but might be on less familiar ground at a mainline carrier, Airline Weekly managing director Seth Kaplan said.

    "The skills might not be entirely transferable," Kaplan said. While regionals and mainlines have similar operational requirements, regionals rely on mainlines like Delta, United and American for ticketing, route planning and other functions.

    The speculation about Trenary comes at a time when Pinnacle is teetering on the brink of a Chapter 11 bankruptcy and share prices have plummeted to multiyear lows. Most of Trenary's top management has been replaced since he left.

    Pinnacle shares closed at $1.27 on Tuesday, compared to a 52-week high of $6.18 on the Nasdaq.

    "For someone starting a new airline, they're looking at the fact they're not going to be able to lure a very successful airline executive who's already employed," Kaplan said. "I'd imagine they'd look at other people with experience running airlines who might be available. Whether that's him as opposed to anyone else, I wouldn't know."

    Kaplan said whoever leads People Express, "It's going to be tough." Even without the challenges faced by startups, existing carriers "are having a hard time finding profitable ways to grow, especially with the way oil prices are."



    Agreed. Now is not a good time for a new start-up. Can you say, "Independence Air?"
  • waccamatt

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    Mar 01, 2012 3:58 AM GMT
    I flew People's Express back in the 80's. I'd rather drive.
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    Mar 01, 2012 4:24 AM GMT
    I was worried that Air Tran (Southwest) was dropping PHF, but Southwest announced service from ATL to PHF to compete w/ Delta. icon_smile.gif

    I'm still not sure about the future of PHF. They're really not far from either Richmond or Norfolk, each of which gets more traffic.
  • RSnSD

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    Mar 01, 2012 5:01 AM GMT
    I give it 6 to 12 months at best if it even gets off the ground. History has already shown that attempting to revive failed airline brands from the dead has proven unsuccessful. Those old enough to remember Braniff, Pan Am and National know what I'm talking about. In addition, I heard they plan on using old, second-hand 737-400 aircraft which will be prone to maintenance issues and higher fuel-burn up against skyrocketing fuel prices.

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    Mar 01, 2012 9:52 AM GMT
    RSnSD saidI give it 6 to 12 months at best if it even gets off the ground. History has already shown that attempting to revive failed airline brands from the dead has proven unsuccessful. Those old enough to remember Braniff, Pan Am and National know what I'm talking about. In addition, I heard they plan on using old, second-hand 737-400 aircraft which will be prone to maintenance issues and higher fuel-burn up against skyrocketing fuel prices.



    very true. i just wonder what the economic value is, given the region, etc.
    my current company is going to be shedding the '400' series (thank goodness) at an accelerated pace so there will be equipment on the market, providing the 'new' PE will be getting favorable terms on the leases. they are fuel hogs though. as for airline management, speaking as a rank and file employee, i find them to be like cold sores. never really going away, just circling the drain, only to pop up somewhere else. case in point with good old dave segal. he's now at frontier, trying to put lipstick on that pig, no doubt sucking it dry, getting it ready for sale to yet another someone or someones.
    what a wonderful institution the domestic airline industry has become. icon_mad.gif
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    Mar 01, 2012 12:41 PM GMT
    turtleneckjock saidIf the airline becomes a reality, it won't be long before they start service to Orlando...We need a carrier....anyone....to come in here and stop Southwest from taking over.


    Hey TJ - that is on the plate according to what I have read after the initial cities I listed in the other thread get up and running.
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    Mar 01, 2012 12:47 PM GMT
    RSnSD saidI give it 6 to 12 months at best if it even gets off the ground. History has already shown that attempting to revive failed airline brands from the dead has proven unsuccessful. Those old enough to remember Braniff, Pan Am and National know what I'm talking about. In addition, I heard they plan on using old, second-hand 737-400 aircraft which will be prone to maintenance issues and higher fuel-burn up against skyrocketing fuel prices.



    Agree - with the current fuel costs and the hub at PHF it is going to be an extraordinary challenge. I'm really curious to see the business plan that wooed investors. Skybus (anyone remember them based in CMH - Columbus Ohio?) lasted less than a year I think with essentially the same exact concept in 2008-09. I remember driving south on I-75 one day and seeing one land at Punta Gorda FL (that was its southwest Florida destination!) airport in spring 2008 and I was just thinking how long will this company last?
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    Mar 01, 2012 12:54 PM GMT
    NJDewd said
    turtleneckjock saidIf the airline becomes a reality, it won't be long before they start service to Orlando...We need a carrier....anyone....to come in here and stop Southwest from taking over.


    Hey TJ - that is on the plate according to what I have read after the initial cities I listed in the other thread get up and running.


    What would be better for this carrier, providing there are landing slots (should be) would be to fly into the airport north of Orlando, Sanford (SFB). SFB has mainly charter service now.
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    Mar 01, 2012 2:02 PM GMT
    turtleneckjock said
    NJDewd said
    turtleneckjock saidIf the airline becomes a reality, it won't be long before they start service to Orlando...We need a carrier....anyone....to come in here and stop Southwest from taking over.


    Hey TJ - that is on the plate according to what I have read after the initial cities I listed in the other thread get up and running.


    What would be better for this carrier, providing there are landing slots (should be) would be to fly into the airport north of Orlando, Sanford (SFB). SFB has mainly charter service now.


    And not of the question as the costs of service (landing fees) would be cheaper.
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    Mar 01, 2012 2:48 PM GMT
    turtleneckjock said
    NJDewd said
    turtleneckjock saidIf the airline becomes a reality, it won't be long before they start service to Orlando...We need a carrier....anyone....to come in here and stop Southwest from taking over.


    Hey TJ - that is on the plate according to what I have read after the initial cities I listed in the other thread get up and running.


    What would be better for this carrier, providing there are landing slots (should be) would be to fly into the airport north of Orlando, Sanford (SFB). SFB has mainly charter service now.


    Did Allegiant give up on SFB yet? I drove up there when Pan Am III was around just to see their back-the-future 727 with winglets come in, and watched like 8 people get off. Thus I was somewhat baffled when FI packed up from MCO and moved there, but I guess they do not expect many of their pax to make onward connections. B6 seems to have a pretty solid presence at MCO, though. Since they have a marketing alliance with FI I wonder if the latter would consider moving back to take advantage of interlining opportunities with B6 service to the Caribbean.
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    Mar 01, 2012 9:20 PM GMT
    Exactly - and thats why it is done