Tulsa Teen Beaten Unconscious in Anti-Gay Attack at Party

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    Mar 01, 2012 4:51 PM GMT
    http://www.towleroad.com/2012/02/tulsarogers.html



    This is why I just taser people.
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    Mar 01, 2012 4:59 PM GMT
    The police say their hands are tied, according to this TV report? They can't even charge the attackers with simple assault?
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    Mar 01, 2012 5:05 PM GMT
    Just sickening! These guys should be charged. How can the police say their hands are tied? There are witnesses aren't there?
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    Mar 01, 2012 5:08 PM GMT
    and my parents get pissed off when i tell them i worry about gay rights
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    Mar 01, 2012 5:21 PM GMT
    Oklahoma should change that law. Guys that are so insecure about their own sexuality attacked this kid for no other reason?? They should have assault as a hate crime on their permanant records. No one deserves this!!

    Any Oklahoma RJ members getting involved?? Write your local officials and your OK State Senator.icon_idea.gif
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    Mar 01, 2012 5:26 PM GMT
    He should track them down and shoot them.
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    Mar 01, 2012 5:31 PM GMT
    I lived in Tulsa for a few years, I had no idea that beating someone up for being gay was not a hate crime in Oklahoma! That needs to change!
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    Mar 01, 2012 5:32 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie saidJust sickening! These guys should be charged. How can the police say their hands are tied? There are witnesses aren't there?

    Because its Tulsa.
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    Mar 01, 2012 5:35 PM GMT
    The Oklahoma State Senate passed a bill that removes LGBT citizens from the list of groups defined under the state's hate crimes legislation. Short of murder, LGBT's have few legal protections in Oklahoma.

    The police don't have to touch it because the victim and eyewitnesses declared it as being a gay-related attack. Therefore, it's a "simple assault."

    Keep in mind there are Republican politicans in the Oklahoma Senate that are fighting to remove even more protections for LGBT's. One of the most well known, Rep. Mike Reynolds, is diligently working to remove all rights for gays. He even tried to get a law passed that introduced DADT to Oklahoma State's National Guard. WTF?

    Thank you, Oklahoma state Republicans. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Mar 01, 2012 5:39 PM GMT
    If more gays carried guns, fewer gay bashings would happen.
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    Mar 01, 2012 5:48 PM GMT
    MikemikeMike saidOklahoma should change that law. Guys that are so insecure about their own sexuality attacked this kid for no other reason?? They should have assault as a hate crime on their permanant records. No one deserves this!!

    Any Oklahoma RJ members getting involved?? Write your local officials and your OK State Senator.icon_idea.gif


    OK is a red state. What do you expect? Even if there was a hate crimes law on the books, the police would turn a blind eye and it would be impossible to prove.

    I would have shot and killed the attackers. He would have an easier time claiming self defense.

    Now, these attackers will prolly find him, kill him and bury his body somewhere. Nobody will care.
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    Mar 01, 2012 5:49 PM GMT
    Haaretz saidIf more gays carried guns, fewer gay bashings would happen.


    Not true, actually. You cannot use a gun against your attacker for simple assaults.

    Using Oklahoma as an example, let's say a gay man was attacked on the street by a straight guy simply because of his sexual orientation. Now, let's assume that that gay man happened to have a gun on him and used it against his attacker. Chances are, the gay man would end up in prison. In cases like this, the attacker would have more legal rights than the person he attacked.

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    Mar 01, 2012 5:52 PM GMT
    Haaretz saidIf more gays carried guns, fewer gay bashings would happen.


    QFFT!

    (Card carrying member of the NRA(Guns don't kill people, people kill people))
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    Mar 01, 2012 5:53 PM GMT
    Yet another reason why fighting for our civil rights on a state by state basis is pure bullshit.

    This should not be a matter for the local police. This ought to be a matter for the FBI.
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    Mar 01, 2012 5:54 PM GMT
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    Haaretz saidIf more gays carried guns, fewer gay bashings would happen.


    Not true, actually. You cannot use a gun against your attacker for simple assaults.
    It's a risk I've been willing to take (and won)...shot at a few gay bashers several years ago.

    When it comes to hate crimes, "simple assault" is actually a threat against your life. In those cases, it's always self-defense to use deadly force to stop the attackers, because when it's a hate crime, the attackers are usually wishing death on the victim instead of just a good ol' ass whoopin.
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    Mar 01, 2012 5:59 PM GMT
    Assault is illegal is Oklahoma.
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    Mar 01, 2012 6:00 PM GMT
    LVmotoJock said
    Haaretz saidIf more gays carried guns, fewer gay bashings would happen.


    QFFT!

    (Card carrying member of the NRA(Guns don't kill people, people kill people))


    Let's slow the roll on that thought. If the police are so hesitant to even bring about simple assault charges, if a gay did kill someone in defense, what do you think will happen to the gay guy in that kind of twisted political climate??
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    Mar 01, 2012 6:02 PM GMT
    It shouldn't matter what his sexuality is. This was a simple hate crime where someone was attacked. PERIOD. It's the same as bullying really so the fact that cops choose not to do anything about it is just appalling.

    OK, you are not ok.

    Cool, that gay would be fucked and not in the way he'd like either.
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    Mar 01, 2012 6:03 PM GMT
    credo said
    Haaretz saidIf more gays carried guns, fewer gay bashings would happen.


    Not true, actually. You cannot use a gun against your attacker for simple assaults.

    Using Oklahoma as an example, let's say a gay man was attacked on the street by a straight guy simply because of his sexual orientation. Now, let's assume that that gay man happened to have a gun on him and used it against his attacker. Chances are, the gay man would end up in prison. In cases like this, the attacker would have more legal rights than the person he attacked.



    And why should you be able to kill someone for non-lethal assault just because you're gay? Nobody else has this right.

    Hate crime laws do more damage than good.
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    Mar 01, 2012 6:05 PM GMT
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    LVmotoJock said
    Haaretz saidIf more gays carried guns, fewer gay bashings would happen.


    QFFT!

    (Card carrying member of the NRA(Guns don't kill people, people kill people))


    Let's slow the roll on that thought. If the police are so hesitant to even bring about simple assault charges, if a gay did kill someone in defense, what do you think will happen to the gay guy in that kind of twisted political climate??

    Just owning a firearm and knowing how to use it effectively and responsibly can lend itself to being a HUGE deterrent to violence...I'm sure those back assward rednecks would think twice about beating on some kid if he were to shout "back the fuck up, I am armed", as all responsible CCW holders know that is the FIRST thing that should happen in such a situation.
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    LVmotoJock said
    Haaretz saidIf more gays carried guns, fewer gay bashings would happen.


    QFFT!

    (Card carrying member of the NRA(Guns don't kill people, people kill people))


    Let's slow the roll on that thought. If the police are so hesitant to even bring about simple assault charges, if a gay did kill someone in defense, what do you think will happen to the gay guy in that kind of twisted political climate??


    I wouldnt bring the gay thing up. Just the fact that i shot and killed an attacker via self defense. In TX, u can shoot to kill to protect property even if you are not threatened. Im sure its the same in OK.
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    Mar 01, 2012 6:05 PM GMT
    field123 said

    And why should you be able to kill someone for non-lethal assault just because you're gay? Nobody else has this right.

    Hate crime laws do more damage than good.


    How so?! Citations are in order!
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    Mar 01, 2012 6:06 PM GMT
    catfish5 said
    coolarmydude said
    LVmotoJock said
    Haaretz saidIf more gays carried guns, fewer gay bashings would happen.


    QFFT!

    (Card carrying member of the NRA(Guns don't kill people, people kill people))


    Let's slow the roll on that thought. If the police are so hesitant to even bring about simple assault charges, if a gay did kill someone in defense, what do you think will happen to the gay guy in that kind of twisted political climate??


    I wouldnt bring the gay thing up. Just the fact that i shot and killed an attacker via self defense. In TX, u can shoot to kill to protect property even if you are not threatened. Im sure its the same in OK.


    I don't think it's that easy to conveniently omit being gay. The police are going to ask why the shooting occurred in their investigation as soon as it happened and any lie or twisting of the facts will just make the defense even more difficult. Thus making my point.
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    Mar 01, 2012 6:08 PM GMT
    LVmotoJock said
    coolarmydude said
    LVmotoJock said
    Haaretz saidIf more gays carried guns, fewer gay bashings would happen.


    QFFT!

    (Card carrying member of the NRA(Guns don't kill people, people kill people))


    Let's slow the roll on that thought. If the police are so hesitant to even bring about simple assault charges, if a gay did kill someone in defense, what do you think will happen to the gay guy in that kind of twisted political climate??

    Just owning a firearm and knowing how to use it effectively and responsibly can lend itself to being a HUGE deterrent to violence...I'm sure those back assward rednecks would think twice about beating on some kid if he were to shout "back the fuck up, I am armed", as all responsible CCW holders know that is the FIRST thing that should happen in such a situation.


    Again, when "back assward rednecks" feel threatened, especially with a gun, they momentarily withdraw and return with more vengeance.
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    Mar 01, 2012 6:10 PM GMT
    I commend the guy for coming to the aid of his friend who was being attacked. I commend him even more for trying to turn this into a positive. I'm sure there is alot of hate and anger that is built up in him. Part of that anger might be tempered by the fact that a law doesn't exist to make this a hate crime (vs. a judge determining it wasn't a hate crime).