Gallup Poll: 72% of Americans Believe the Mandate is Unconstitutional

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    Mar 02, 2012 12:43 AM GMT
    http://www.gallup.com/poll/152969/Americans-Divided-Repeal-2010-Healthcare-Law.aspx

    The Supreme Court next month will hear legal challenges to the healthcare law, which are focused on the law’s requirement that all Americans purchase health insurance or pay a fine. Americans overwhelmingly believe the “individual mandate,” as it is often called, is unconstitutional, by a margin of 72% to 20%.

    Even a majority of Democrats, and a majority of those who think the healthcare law is a good thing, believe that provision is unconstitutional.


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    Mar 02, 2012 12:46 AM GMT
    riddler78 saidhttp://www.gallup.com/poll/152969/Americans-Divided-Repeal-2010-Healthcare-Law.aspx

    The Supreme Court next month will hear legal challenges to the healthcare law, which are focused on the law’s requirement that all Americans purchase health insurance or pay a fine. Americans overwhelmingly believe the “individual mandate,” as it is often called, is unconstitutional, by a margin of 72% to 20%.

    Even a majority of Democrats, and a majority of those who think the healthcare law is a good thing, believe that provision is unconstitutional.


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    Why do you even give a shit? I dont want you in my country.. go away!
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    Mar 02, 2012 12:51 AM GMT
    Since more Americans can name two of the Seven Dwarfs then two members of the Supreme Court, and 61% do not believe in evolution, I wouldn't hoist my petard on what Americans believe.
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    Mar 02, 2012 1:09 AM GMT
    Christian73 saidSince more Americans can name two of the Seven Dwarfs then two members of the Supreme Court, and 61% do not believe in evolution, I wouldn't hoist my petard on what Americans believe.


    Yeah - stupid people - they're too ignorant to deserve democracy and that's why government should make decisions for them. icon_rolleyes.gif

    Your views are repulsive.
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    Christian73 saidSince more Americans can name two of the Seven Dwarfs then two members of the Supreme Court, and 61% do not believe in evolution, I wouldn't hoist my petard on what Americans believe.


    Yeah - stupid people - they're too ignorant to deserve democracy and that's why government should make decisions for them. icon_rolleyes.gif

    Your views are repulsive.


    Ah... the "riddler special", arguing against straw men. Do you have holdings in straw futures perhaps? Given that greed is your sole motivator, I imagine you must be making money through your constant building of straw man arguments.

    I'll be happy to respond to any future post that actually addresses the point I made.
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    Mar 02, 2012 1:15 AM GMT
    Christian73 said
    riddler78 said
    Christian73 saidSince more Americans can name two of the Seven Dwarfs then two members of the Supreme Court, and 61% do not believe in evolution, I wouldn't hoist my petard on what Americans believe.


    Yeah - stupid people - they're too ignorant to deserve democracy and that's why government should make decisions for them. icon_rolleyes.gif

    Your views are repulsive.


    Ah... the "riddler special", arguing against straw men. Do you have holdings in straw futures perhaps? Given that greed is your sole motivator, I imagine you must be making money through your constant building of straw man arguments.

    I'll be happy to respond to any future post that actually addresses the point I made.


    Figures. I suppose you really could be so stupid as to not see the relationship but being charitable that I am I doubt it.
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    Mar 02, 2012 1:17 AM GMT
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    Christian73 said
    riddler78 said
    Christian73 saidSince more Americans can name two of the Seven Dwarfs then two members of the Supreme Court, and 61% do not believe in evolution, I wouldn't hoist my petard on what Americans believe.


    Yeah - stupid people - they're too ignorant to deserve democracy and that's why government should make decisions for them. icon_rolleyes.gif

    Your views are repulsive.


    Ah... the "riddler special", arguing against straw men. Do you have holdings in straw futures perhaps? Given that greed is your sole motivator, I imagine you must be making money through your constant building of straw man arguments.

    I'll be happy to respond to any future post that actually addresses the point I made.


    Figures. I suppose you really could be so stupid as to not see the relationship but being charitable that I am I doubt it.


    I realize what you're trying to infer but since I do not believe as you claim, you'll have to try again.

    Further, the continued ignorance of the American people suits your agenda just fine, so spare me your pathetic attempts at righteous indignation.
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    Mar 02, 2012 1:20 AM GMT
    riddler78 said
    Your views are repulsive.
    LMAO.. and your shit doesnt stink.. What a load!
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    Mar 02, 2012 1:35 AM GMT
    Lets keep in mind that the Mandate was a Republican Idea to help out their buddies in the Insurance Business. That way the Repubs would have been rewarded for handing the Industry millions more customers and their 're-election campaign financing from the Insurance industry contributions would have been assured. When the Idea was theirs during the Clinton Administration all was good.

    But that was back in the 90's, now the issue is much more usefull to them as a way to knock Obama. They can count on their uninformed T-bag voters and the typical Fox News republican voters to not pay any attention to facts about where this Idea came from. OH the IRONY.
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    Mar 02, 2012 2:06 AM GMT
    JPtheBITCH saidInterpretations of the Constitution are not put to popular vote, nor should they be.

    This is another example of how Riddler doesn't understand the US, though he'll tell you he does. He demonstrates repeatedly that he has no idea.

    Sad, really.
    Oh, he understands it alright.. he just doesnt like it!
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    Mar 02, 2012 2:11 AM GMT
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    Christian73 saidSince more Americans can name two of the Seven Dwarfs then two members of the Supreme Court, and 61% do not believe in evolution, I wouldn't hoist my petard on what Americans believe.


    True, most Americans are dumb. Just look who they elected President in 2008.


    Amen.
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    Mar 02, 2012 2:26 AM GMT
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    Christian73 saidSince more Americans can name two of the Seven Dwarfs then two members of the Supreme Court, and 61% do not believe in evolution, I wouldn't hoist my petard on what Americans believe.


    True, most Americans are dumb. Just look who they elected President in 2008.
    Yep and thy pulled the lever for frothymixture too, didnt they?
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    Mar 02, 2012 2:30 AM GMT
    JPtheBITCH saidInterpretations of the Constitution are not put to popular vote, nor should they be.

    This is another example of how Riddler doesn't understand the US, though he'll tell you he does. He demonstrates repeatedly that he has no idea.

    Sad, really.

    Yeah, why is a guy from Canada concerned about our US Constitution, or even thinks he knows anything about it, our laws, our traditions, and our national history, to be endlessly posting about the US here? Doesn't he have his own country on which to comment? Who tells him to post these lies and distortions here?
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    Mar 02, 2012 2:39 AM GMT
    JPtheBITCH saidInterpretations of the Constitution are not put to popular vote, nor should they be.

    This is another example of how Riddler doesn't understand the US, though he'll tell you he does. He demonstrates repeatedly that he has no idea.

    Sad, really.

    Where did Riddler state that interpretations of the Constitution should be put to popular vote? Everything in the OP came from the Gallup site, and his subsequent responses did not address this point, so on what is your point based?
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    Mar 02, 2012 2:59 AM GMT
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    JPtheBITCH saidInterpretations of the Constitution are not put to popular vote, nor should they be.

    This is another example of how Riddler doesn't understand the US, though he'll tell you he does. He demonstrates repeatedly that he has no idea.

    Sad, really.

    Where did Riddler state that interpretations of the Constitution should be put to popular vote? Everything in the OP came from the Gallup site, and his subsequent responses did not address this point, so on what is your point based?





    LMAO!

    The point that riddler is trying to make - is that this poll is somehow bad news for President Obama.

    LOL - BULLSHIT!

    The "individual mandate" is also advocated by probable REPUB NOMINEE MITT ROMNEYCARE!
    The Romneycare law that Mitt Romneycare signed into law in MA includes the same individual mandate!
    And Mittens STILL supports and advocates the Romneycare program that's in effect in MA - AND the individual mandate.

    The fact is that Romneycare begat Obamacare!
    Obamacare was BASED ON ROMNEYCARE.

    They BOTH impose an individual mandate.

    If Mitt Romneycare is the Repub nominee the Repubs will have NO advantage on this issue.

    But keep trying Repubs.
    Maybe you'll find some actual legitimate issue to use in the fall campaign.

    Or maybe not.
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    Mar 02, 2012 3:53 AM GMT
    RickRick91 saidThe point that riddler is trying to make - is that this poll is somehow bad news for President Obama.


    Er no, the point was that this was a horrible bill.
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    RickRick91 saidThe point that riddler is trying to make - is that this poll is somehow bad news for President Obama.

    Er no, the point was that this was a horrible bill.

    And how would you know that? And why would you care up in Canada? Can you tell us anything about Canadian bills? Who made you an expert about the US, and why do you give a F*** about our health care?
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    Mar 02, 2012 5:35 AM GMT
    Riddler, which demographic do you think would not pay for health insurance in the US but demand free care when they got sick? Have you considered that perhaps it's this group that will have to pay the fine?

    ...and wouldn't some of them be the freeloaders you dislike that would suddenly have to pay something, privately( insurance) or publicly (fine)?

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    Mar 02, 2012 8:13 AM GMT
    meninlove said Riddler, which demographic do you think would not pay for health insurance in the US but demand free care when they got sick? Have you considered that perhaps it's this group that will have to pay the fine?

    ...and wouldn't some of them be the freeloaders you dislike that would suddenly have to pay something, privately( insurance) or publicly (fine)?



    Not sure what your question is - given that my point is that the bill is rather poorly writtten and a hodgepodge of concessions to lobbyists/special interests to the point that the authors of the bill had no idea of what was even in it.

    In the ultimate ideological pursuit of some to create public healthcare in the US, bill reduces the incentives for innovation while driving up the costs for compliance.
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    JPtheBITCH saidInterpretations of the Constitution are not put to popular vote, nor should they be.

    This is another example of how Riddler doesn't understand the US, though he'll tell you he does. He demonstrates repeatedly that he has no idea.

    Sad, really.

    Where did Riddler state that interpretations of the Constitution should be put to popular vote? Everything in the OP came from the Gallup site, and his subsequent responses did not address this point, so on what is your point based?

    Would like to see this addressed. Either it indicates a random, shoot-from-the-hip attack on Riddler, or some serious reasoning deficiencies.
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    Mar 02, 2012 2:52 PM GMT
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    socalfitness said
    socalfitness said
    JPtheBITCH saidInterpretations of the Constitution are not put to popular vote, nor should they be.

    This is another example of how Riddler doesn't understand the US, though he'll tell you he does. He demonstrates repeatedly that he has no idea.

    Sad, really.

    Where did Riddler state that interpretations of the Constitution should be put to popular vote? Everything in the OP came from the Gallup site, and his subsequent responses did not address this point, so on what is your point based?

    Would like to see this addressed. Either it indicates a random, shoot-from-the-hip attack on Riddler, or some serious reasoning deficiencies.

    Really, this condescension of yours has to stop. There are a number of us who are just as smart as you are. I promise.

    Now, what would be the purpose in posting a poll that says that 72% of US citizens believe the mandate to be unconstitutional, except to suggest that it must, therefore, either actually be unconstitutional, or we have somehow thwarted the will of the people? Similar to the constant whining about activist judges, etc.

    You didn't need this explained to you. And the reasoning deficiencies are apparently yours. Riddler's deficiencies are somewhat more intractable.


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    Mar 02, 2012 3:29 PM GMT
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    socalfitness said
    socalfitness said
    JPtheBITCH saidInterpretations of the Constitution are not put to popular vote, nor should they be.

    This is another example of how Riddler doesn't understand the US, though he'll tell you he does. He demonstrates repeatedly that he has no idea.

    Sad, really.

    Where did Riddler state that interpretations of the Constitution should be put to popular vote? Everything in the OP came from the Gallup site, and his subsequent responses did not address this point, so on what is your point based?

    Would like to see this addressed. Either it indicates a random, shoot-from-the-hip attack on Riddler, or some serious reasoning deficiencies.

    Really, this condescension of yours has to stop. There are a number of us who are just as smart as you are. I promise.

    Now, what would be the purpose in posting a poll that says that 72% of US citizens believe the mandate to be unconstitutional, except to suggest that it must, therefore, either actually be unconstitutional, or we have somehow thwarted the will of the people? Similar to the constant whining about activist judges, etc.

    You didn't need this explained to you. And the reasoning deficiencies are apparently yours. Riddler's deficiencies are somewhat more intractable.

    Still not clear if the intent was just to take a shot, knowing he gets under your skin, or if it's a deficiency in reasoning. Gallup is a mainstream organization, and presenting their poll results in no way indicated what you asserted, no way at all. So my condescension resulted from an amazement at such a stretch to take a shot, or at some really defective logic. Hope for you it was the former. I know several others here, however, do lack basic reasoning abilities.