Vets for Peace to Obama: Talk sense to Netanyahu to avoid war with Iran

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    Mar 02, 2012 3:00 AM GMT
    From MONDOWEISS by Adam Horowitz

    The organization Veterans for Peace has issues a memorandum to President Obama over the threat of war with Iran and what he can do to stop it.

    An excerpt:


    Needed: Presidential Action

    We believe that you have the power to nip the current warmongering in the bud by taking essentially two key steps:

    1. Announce publicly that you will not allow the United States to be drawn into war if Israel attacks Iran or provokes hostilities in some other way.

    In threatening and planning such attacks, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his supporters are assuming you would have no option other than to commit U.S. forces in support of Israel. To assume automatic support from the world’s sole remaining superpower is a heady thing and an invitation to adventurism.

    We are aware that you have dispatched emissary after emissary to ask the Israelis please not to start a war. We mean no offense to those messengers, but there is very little reason to believe that they are taken seriously.

    We are convinced that only a strong public demurral from you personally would have much chance of disabusing Netanyahu and other Israeli leaders of the notion that they can expect full American support, no matter how hostilities with Iran begin.

    The Risks of Silence

    A public statement now could preempt a catastrophic war. Conversely, the Israeli leaders are likely to interpret unwillingness on your part to speak out clearly as a sign that you will find it politically impossible to deny Israel military support once it is engaged in hostilities with Iran.

    What we find surprising (and the Israelis presumably find reassuring) is the nonchalance with which Official Washington and the media discuss the possible outbreak of war. From officials and pundits alike, the notion has gained currency that an attack on Iran is an acceptable option, and that the only remaining questions are if and when the Israelis will choose to attack.

    Little heed is paid to the fact that, absent an immediate threat to Israel, such an attack would be a war of aggression as defined and condemned at the Nuremberg Tribunal.
    Joint Chiefs Chairman Martin Dempsey’s anemic remark on Sunday that an Israeli attack on Iran would be “not prudent” is precisely the kind of understatement to give Netanyahu the impression that he essentially has carte blanche to start hostilities with Iran, anticipating a mere tap on the knuckles — if that — from Washington.2. Announce to the people of the United States and the world that Iran presents no immediate threat to Israel, much less the U.S.

    That Iran is no threat to America is clear. Your secretary of state has acknowledged this publicly. For example, speaking in Qatar on Feb. 14, 2010, Secretary Clinton said that, were Iran to pursue a nuclear weapon, this would “not directly threaten the United States” but would pose a threat to our “partners here in this region.”

    Secretary Clinton has made it clear that the partner she has uppermost in mind is Israel. She and the Israeli leaders have used the media to hype this “threat,” even though it is widely recognized that it would be suicidal for Iran to use such a weapon against Israel — armed as it is with
    hundreds of nuclear weapons.

    The media have drummed into us that a nuclear weapon in Iran’s hands would pose an “existential” threat to Israel, a claim that is difficult to challenge — that is, until one gives it careful thought. Now is the time to challenge it. Indeed, the whole notion is such a stretch that even some very senior Israeli officials have begun to challenge it in public, as we shall point out later in this memorandum.
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    Dan Crowther says:

    February 23, 2012 at 1:06 pm


    From Washington’s Farewell Address (1796)icon_sad.giffrom VFP statement)

    So likewise, a passionate attachment of one nation for another produces a variety of evils. Sympathy for the favorite nation, facilitating the illusion of an imaginary common interest in cases where no real common interest exists, and infusing into one the enmities of the other, betrays the former into a participation in the quarrels and wars of the latter without adequate inducement or justification.

    It leads also to concessions to the favorite nation of privileges denied to others which is apt doubly to injure the nation making the concessions; by unnecessarily parting with what ought to have been retained, and by exciting jealousy, ill will, and a disposition to retaliate, in the parties from whom equal privileges are withheld.

    And it gives to ambitious, corrupted, or deluded citizens (who devote themselves to the favorite nation), facility to betray or sacrifice the interests of their own country, without odium, sometimes even with popularity….

    Anyone really think this war is any more necessary than the IRAQ war was? That war was pushed on us by the same group of fear monger Neo Cons both from Israel and here at home and we can all see what a grand example of success that war was. Why repeat the same damn mistakes ?.
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    Mar 02, 2012 3:10 AM GMT
    realifedad said Why repeat the same damn mistakes ?.
    Honestly? There's money to be made.
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    Mar 02, 2012 2:26 PM GMT
    TropicalMark said
    realifedad said Why repeat the same damn mistakes ?.
    Honestly? There's money to be made.





    There is indeed plenty of money to be made, but only by the few, while the American parents pay the price, by the loss of their sons and daughters lives.

    Even more devastating is all the unnecessary loss of life in Iran and probably Israel from retaliatory strikes. (hundreds of thousands lost their lives in Iraq and the possibilities of it being even worse over an Iranian/Israeli war is probable)

    This war Idea is another bad one all the way around.
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    Mar 02, 2012 2:39 PM GMT
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    There is indeed plenty of money to be made, but only by the few, while the American parents pay the price, by the loss of their sons and daughters lives.

    Even more devastating is all the unnecessary loss of life in Iran and probably Israel from retaliatory strikes. (hundreds of thousands lost their lives in Iraq and the possibilities of it being even worse over an Iranian/Israeli war is probable)

    This war Idea is another bad one all the way around.
    US foreign policy has been an absolute disaster since the end of WW2..

    I'm not the only warrior out there that believes like I do. Most quit, the rest just put our time and and retired.
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    Mar 02, 2012 4:39 PM GMT
    I'd say your right !! Between the hyped up 'communist threat' of the 50's and 60's, then the massive interventionist efforts particularly over oil and now the rise to power of the Israeli / US Neo Cons, our country has lost its legitimacy as the primary example of spreading democracy.

    Few in the world are fooled like our uninformed far right christian fundi's and Tbagger type voters, the rest of the world masses see right through what we did in Iraq, and what is now being promoted as the basis for a war with Iran. The best example is how ofter the US stands alone at the UN over its Israeli votes and vetoes, which is directly related to tensions in the Middle East.

    All of this represents anything but 'American exceptionalism'. its all a sham pulled over on the American public, while a few powerful interests get rich as they are making us terrible enemies who have every right to hate our US interventionist Foreign Policy.
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    Mar 03, 2012 2:52 AM GMT
    TropicalMark said
    realifedad said


    There is indeed plenty of money to be made, but only by the few, while the American parents pay the price, by the loss of their sons and daughters lives.

    Even more devastating is all the unnecessary loss of life in Iran and probably Israel from retaliatory strikes. (hundreds of thousands lost their lives in Iraq and the possibilities of it being even worse over an Iranian/Israeli war is probable)

    This war Idea is another bad one all the way around.
    US foreign policy has been an absolute disaster since the end of WW2..

    I'm not the only warrior out there that believes like I do. Most quit, the rest just put our time and and retired.


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    If any group has a moral and logical right to speak against this war with Iran, it should be the Veterans of previous wars.
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    Mar 03, 2012 2:38 PM GMT
    Obama Told at Fundraiser: "No War on Iran!" by Common Dreams staff

    Barack Obama was in New York City last night to deliver a speech to several hundred Democrat donors. One woman who attended decided to use the fundraising event to offer the President one unsolicited piece of advice.

    The speech was perusing recent foreign policy achievements by the United States, as Obama declared, "We ended torture, we promoted human rights" and, in an odd juxtaposition, "We made it clear that America is a Pacific power." However, no sooner had Obama announced that that the United States "was leading again by the power of our moral example," a woman found her moment to interject.

    "Use your leadership," the woman yelled from the audience. "No war with Iran!"

    She said it once again, louder, and Obama responded, "Nobody's announced a war, young lady. But we appreciate your sentiment." With a slight smile, he added, "You're jumping the gun a little bit."
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    Apr 29, 2012 6:54 AM GMT
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    Text:

    "Dear Mr. President,

    "The US military is the most formidable military force on Earth. But not every challenge has a military solution.

    "Unless we or an ally is attacked, war should be the option of last resort. Our brave servicemen and women expect you to exhaust all diplomatic and peaceful options before you send them into harm's way.

    Preventing a nuclear armed Iran is rightfully your priority and your red line. Fortunately, diplomacy has not been exhausted and peaceful solutions are still possible.

    Military action at this stage is not only unnecessary, it is dangerous -- for the United States and for Israel. We urge you to resist the pressure for a war of choice against Iran."

    Sincerely,

    Major General Paul Eaton (USA, Ret.);

    Tom Fingar, Fmr. Deputy Director of National Intelligence for Analysis;

    Lt. General Robert G. Gard, Jr. (USA, Ret.);

    General Joseph Hoar (USMC, Ret.);

    Brigadier General John H. Johns, PhD (USA, Ret.);

    Major General Rudolph Ostovich III (USA, Ret.);

    Paul Pillar, Fmr. National Intelligence Officer for the Near East and South Asia;

    Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson (USA, Ret.)

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    Anyone think they know better than these experienced Veterans and think we should Bomb Iran ?

    Whose interests will be served by a war with Iran, Israels or the US ?