needing advice about low testosterone levels

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    Mar 03, 2012 1:08 AM GMT
    i had my testosterone level checked this week. i was thinking the results would provide a number of something in the hundreds, so i was side-lined when i was told the level was 10. and i was like..."what? what does that mean?" (so even though i tried to prepare -- it didn't matter.) anyway, i was told the range was 7 - 24 and that i was "in range". but, 10 sounds low...? doesn't it?

    i'd like to follow up and be retested by another doctor...preferably a specialist. would that be best with a urologist? or an endocrinologist? medicine is not my area, so i'm looking for suggestions.

    (i've noticed symptoms quite a while ago, just wasn't sure what the issue was. i've modified diet and eat very regularly, limit caffeine and alcohol, and am otherwise healthy. but, i continue to lack energy every day, have difficulty exercising due to fatigue, have lost muscle mass, and am about 20 lbs. heavier than i've been since i was 19 years old.)

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    Mar 03, 2012 6:51 AM GMT
    First of all, do you take melatonin? I was at one point, and I was taking a lot, not really because I needed it but because it gave me a deep deep sleep (also nightmares, but didn't realize it at the time.) And I started noticing weird symptoms (I was also studying medicine at one point so I have a heightened awareness of the body) and I went in to see the doc. He couldn't explain the symptoms and ordered a testosterone test. It tends to run high in my family so I was surprised and horrified when it was normal, but towards the lower end of normal. And I couldn't figure it out, the doc couldn't, so I started seeing if anything in my house, water, whatever caused it. I FINALLY after some digging researched that melatonin stimulates the release of prolactin, which is a hormone released after orgasm to calm you down and suppress t levels so you don't have constant boners. Obviously, I threw out my melatonin and got some tongkat Ali extract (Indonesian, 1:200 strength) and my t levels came back to the 800-900 range where they belong. So try tongkat Ali, indo version, 1:200. But I don't understand the t test you're describing; generally normal range is somewhere between 200-800 ng/dl so I dont understand the unit of measurement or test you're describing. If its TOO low you have to go on hormone replacement therapy, and see an endocrinologist (doctor of hormones) to get it because you can't just go on t or your balls will shrivel up.

    Oh and how do I feel now? Like a god. My boners feel like they're made out of concrete once more.
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    Mar 03, 2012 6:53 AM GMT
    Those tests are not easy to screw up, so that's probably what your levels are actually at, and yeah, you wanna see an endocrinologist.
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    Mar 03, 2012 7:03 AM GMT
    If the normal range scale they are using is 7 to 24 and you're a 10 then yes you are running on the low side, especially if you are a consistant athlete (i.e. someone who regualrly engages in weightllifting etc). I'm not familiar with the scale your doc is using. As was noted by an above poster the numbers usually run between 200 and 800, but three points above the bottom end at only age 31 and (presumably) regulalry physicallly active is a sure sign something has your test levels suppressed.

    Endocrinologtists are good for this sortof thing, though many regular providers also treat low testosterone levels themselves.
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    Mar 03, 2012 7:20 AM GMT
    MuscledHorse said.

    Endocrinologtists are good for this sortof thing, though many regular providers also treat low testosterone levels themselves.


    Endocrinologists do an extra two year fellowship beyond what an internist (a modern GP) does. They spend the time studying hormones. Kinda what you want if you're worried about your testosterone!
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    Mar 03, 2012 7:48 AM GMT
    the units are nanomol (nmol) = 10 x E−9

    these are SI units (international metric system) which are used in most countries now and scientific/medical laboratories and research facilities. however much of the US often still uses imperial system units which measure things differently with ng/dL (nanograms/deciLitre). so the lab results you get will depend on what system of measurement that particular lab uses.

    anyways, if you were given a level of 10, it would be in nanomoles. they usually measure TOTAL TESTOSTERONE in nanomoles. and they calculate FREE TESTOSTERONE in picomoles.

    the normal range is 8.0 - 27.1 nmol/litre, according to my doctor, with slight variances. the low numbers are associated with men who are over 80yrs old. men in their 20s should have over 25nmol/litre. your result of total testosterone of 10 nmol/litre seems to be on the lower side of the normal range.

    higher ranges are asssociated with younger men, high performance athletes. there are natural herbal supplements which claim to increase your testosterone production. some of these are available at nutrition stores and natural food stores. you should consult a doctor before you take anything though. emphasize your symptoms (fatigue, low sex drive, weak erections, loss of muscle mass, etc.).

    going for another test is also a good idea. your testosterone levels normally fluctuate, and they lower with age, with obesity, with gland problems, with cancer treatment or HIV/AIDS (both which affect your gland functioning).

    good luck!

    good luck.
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    Mar 03, 2012 9:06 AM GMT
    @Velociraptor I read that melatonin raises testosterone levels, because it inhibits the aromatase production of the testes. it is however, shown to reduce sperm count, due to the elevated testosterone production. so, while it raises testosterone by lowering aromatase, it also results in less active sperm and lower fertility rates. shouldn't have an impact on boners and libido though, just your swimmers ability to swim fast and in huge numbers.

    "If you’re in your 20s, 30s, 40s, or even 50s, Melatonin might deliver a boost to your body’s T-levels that can really improve your quality of life. Melatonin raises testosterone levels in subjects. That’s right. Elevated testosterone levels in nearly all subjects tested – and many of the subjects retained these elevated levels for up to six months after discontinued use."

    "If you are a male planning on fathering children in the near future, avoid Melatonin. In studies, it has been shown to lower sperm counts in some males. The cause is not yet known, but it may be attributed to endocrine shutdown due to artificially high testosterone levels."

    http://knol.google.com/k/dane-fletcher/new-studies-on-melatonin-and/1yijtt1e6h32o/207#

    "...men experienced a significant drop in sperm concentration and motility (32 and 30 percent, respectively). These coincided with a decline in seminal plasma and serum E(2) levels and with an increase in testosterone: E(2) ratios."

    “Our preliminary observations suggest that long-term melatonin administration is associated with decreased semen quality in a number of healthy men, probably through the inhibition of aromatase at the testicular level.”

    http://www.musculardevelopment.com/articles/chemical-enhancement/546-anabolic-edge-may-2004.html
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    Mar 03, 2012 10:53 AM GMT
    i don't give medical advice to made up people who use sock accounts for attention