How many guys here have been Mormon?

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    Jul 31, 2007 7:31 AM GMT
    I can't help but ask this question, as I am finding out that there are a lot of ex-mormon gay men. If you have not had your name removed from the records of the church and wish to do so, consult affirmation.com on how to go about it so that the church doesn't keep coming back to bug you or drag your name through the mud with its disciplinary councils.

    I'm just really curious.

    Love ya brothers,
    Steve
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    Jul 31, 2007 2:10 PM GMT
    Last summer, at a gay naturist gathering, I met one of Joseph Smith's great-great-etc-grandchildren (and one of the few who have the Smith last name.) I enjoyed chatting with him about his experiences with the LDS church.
  • xKorix

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    Jul 31, 2007 2:28 PM GMT
    I was so very close to becoming a Mormon. I had made great friends in the church and I was getting kinda flirty with a missionary. Than I stepped back and realized I was gay, and that Mormon's aren't particularly cool about it. So I had to make a tough choice and just send them away and clearly tell them not too return...and about that missionary that I was flirty with, he did not seem like a happy guy at all, he seemed confused and upset quite often, he was obviously in the closet...now I'm not 100% sure he was gay, but I could just kinda sense it. Anyways I kinda thought if he IS gay and Mormon, he didn't seem particularly happy being involved in this church...I don't know what they do to openly gay people.
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    Jul 31, 2007 3:13 PM GMT
    I'm Half-Mormon and Half-Catholic and I consider them both to be cults. (joking)

    My Mother's side is LDS, though not very good at it (considering the smoking, the drinking, etc). I've spoken to a fair share of Elders and spent Sundays in church as a young boy. My older sister made it all the way to the Big Tub when she was around Ten or so. But I wouldn't say I was 'raised' in the curch.

    Mormons are funny. There are also some of the most wholesome people you will meet. I mean that in a good way.

    In regards to Mormons and Homosex; During my Senior Year at the Academy, for my History of Living Religions class, one of my schoolmates had two Mormon elders come speak to us. Being the Precocious little prick that I am, in the front row when I had my chance, I asked the question:

    "So what is the Church's stance on homosexuality"

    "In the Mormon Church we don't believe it exisits." said the bepimpled Elder.

    "So when I'm going down on a man's penis, what do you call that?"

    My Professor laughed but I never got my questioned answered.
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    Jul 31, 2007 3:34 PM GMT
    Well, as long as a homosexual is not practicing his/her natural sexual inclinations, he/she is allowed full membership in the church. The gay person can be married and practicing heterosexual sex, but that's all (pretty normal Christian stuff - oh, and Mormons are REALLY DEEPLY Christian, contrary to fundamentalist Christian belief).

    Anyway, it's difficult to leave the church, as they tend to investigate where you've gone through various, very legal means. You have to write a letter asking for your name to be removed from the rolls of the church, and then, they may sit on the letter for years without acting on it (I think that's a more rare occurrance than some like to believe, however).

    If a gay member of the church is discovered practicing homosexuality, that member is brought before a church court and excommunicated. It can be quite traumatic, and demeaning from what I understand.

    However, I will say this - I have been told by gay men living in Salt Lake, that the members are VERY accepting of them, and treat them better than they have ever been treated anywhere else in the US. Personally, I'm leary of that.

    The church teaches that "The natural man is an enemy to God..."

    I've heard very good stories from people who have come out in the church, and I've heard nightmare stories, as well. When I come out to my wife, I'm pretty much writing off my Mormon in-laws. I love them dearly, but I just can't see them accepting me at all. As for my wife, I think this will be quite traumatic for her, but in the end, she'll end up being my friend.

    I have a lot of gratitude for my time in the Mormon church. In many ways, they are great people, very loving, and I have learned so much that has enriched my life, but I just can't go on living as a straight man. The effort put me in the hospital, and I nearly lost my mind AND my life, until I accepted the fact that I'm gay. I just cannot condone forcing a lifestyle on someone that will make them mentally ill. It's just wrong, in my eyes. It is now a matter of integrity for me, as well as a matter of sexuality.

    All questions/comments welcome.
  • code_joe

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    Jul 31, 2007 5:37 PM GMT
    I grew up in Utah and was born and raised mormon. Though I always felt I did not belong there I kept going to church until a little before turning 18. My whole family was actually mormon but I was the last person to leave the church.

    When I came out they were in the habit of Ex-Communicating members if they were gay. When I came out I was living with my Aunt in the heart of mormon central (about 10 miles from BYU ... the Mormon college in Provo, UT)

    When I came out she wanted me to attend Evergreen which is sort of a church funded attempt to make you straight foundation. It actually sickened me the history of this group. But being the person I am I agreeded to at least look at Evergreen. I read up on the group and did some research and thankfully just decided I didn't want anything to do with it.

    The other thing my aunt asked of me was to go to my bishop and talk with him about my lifestyle. I rember the feeling before going into my bishop to talk to him about being gay. I have heard many horror stories about coming out in the mormon religion so I was expecting some of this to happen to me.

    After meeting with my bishop I was actually relieved. He treated me very well and basically just asked if I had already acted on my feelings. I had told him yes and that I didn't want to change. Basically he told me that they would be there for me if I needed help with anything or needed someone to talk to. I think I lucked out because I had one of the youngest most open minded bishops I had ever had.

    As far as growing up in a mormon family, I am not sure what to compare it to. I have had a good life and for the most part my family has been accepting. All of my imediate family are now ex-mormon. Alot of my extended family are great with me. The only exception is the Aunt and Uncle that have a gay son themselves. He has gone through the hell that many of the gay mormons have gone through. He was actually sent through one of the programs to try to make you straight. His parents told him that if he wanted their help for college that he couldn't be gay. After a year of this hell he told them that he was gay and wasn't going to change. After this his family threw him out and didn't want much to do with him. They are getting better now and working on fixing the relationship with their son.

    I started the process of getting my name removed from the church with my mom and my sister. But as sundown stated it is very difficult and time consuming. We had to have 4 people come up and have a meeting with us. But to make the story short. We gave up because it was going to be more of a hassle then we thought it was worth at the time. For the time being my mom just runs anyone from the mormon church off of her property.

    I still do have several relatives that I talk with on a regular basis that are mormon. They don't fully accept my lifestyle but they do realize I am happy with my life and they leave it at that.

    Utah and Salt Lake City can be a great place to live. Even for Gay people. I Loved living in salt lake city. It is a very pretty city and people are very nice there. I didn't get too much trouble about being gay there except maybe during high school. But, I think every gay man has troubles in high school. I miss living there in SLC most the time and some day I will probably end up moving back to live among the mormons.

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    Aug 01, 2007 2:47 AM GMT
    I love the movie Latter Days.

    My dad is mormon. My mom is catholic. I myself am catholic. Ive flirted with missionaries and I have to admit i would love to have a mormon or rather ex-mormon bf.
  • code_joe

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    Aug 01, 2007 3:35 AM GMT
    Haha,
    Good Point Liltally. I read in an article from Men's Health (July/August 2007) that made me pretty sick to the stomach thinking about it. This is from the article 'Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Bicepts'

    -Kabul's Pool of Law-
    "Built in the mid - '80s by the Soviets, this Olympic-size pool served as a court of justice under the Taliban. Homosexuals and political dessidents were pushed from the top platform, and judged innocent if they lived. Today, the pool serves as a soccor field for Afgan youth."

    I personally couldn't imagine the feelings of knowing that because I am gay I might be pushed off the top diving board or tourtured some other way. I just bring visions of the movie Bent (homosexuals in concentration camps)
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    Aug 01, 2007 6:08 AM GMT
    First two boyfriends were Mormon. I have a lot of respect for that faith, then have the same gripes as I do with other formal, organized faiths. One thing they do well -- take care of their own. How the church collects, redistributes and organizes effort to help the less fortunate is really impressive. Throwing Gay youth out on their ears -- not so impressive. Jesus was tolerant; so was Joseph Smith, or so I hear. So, why can't we be tolerant too?
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    Aug 01, 2007 8:14 AM GMT
    You know, I heard that Joseph Smith was tolerant of homosexuals, too. It must be a rumor, though.
  • BlackJock79

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    Aug 17, 2007 3:30 PM GMT
    One of my friends in college was Mormon. HOT, HOT, HOT guy, AMAZING ass, loved to workout... but I think he was straight. If being married and having 2 kids is a determining factor, then he was straight. LOL, but I used to get those "vibes" from him, he didn't know about me, obviously since I'm still at the back left corner of the closet down at the bottom, but something about the way he used to talk to me just made me think if kissed him or offered to blow him he wouldn't push me away or refuse.
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    Jan 05, 2011 1:11 AM GMT
    One of my ancestors saved Joseph Smith's life (the founder of the Mormon faith) in Nauvoo, Illinois. My family is full of Mormons--hell you can even throw in a few Jews. Yes the Mormons and Jews have a history and I am a result.

    I understand the faith better than even some of the most devout members. It is a crazy and messed up faith--but only I can say that--NOT YOU (at least not you if you want to get into a Mormon guy's pants--yeah I am joking--sorta).

    Remember, I can mock my family... but you can't. (If you want to get in my pants at least--yes, joking again... sorta)

    Its a serious faith that should not be underestimated or minimized. Neither should the Taliban be underestimated or minimized. In my opinion the Mormon faith is rife with blood and sins of their own. I believe in a just, true, and kind God who will seriously crack some Mormon leaders heads because of their evil speaking of the gays.

    Its my opinion...

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    Jan 05, 2011 2:52 AM GMT
    but they're awesome genealogists.
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    Jan 05, 2011 3:20 AM GMT
    And missionaries are excellent linguists. *sigh*, what're you gonna do? icon_neutral.gif
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    Jan 05, 2011 3:21 AM GMT
    Mormon here...
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    Jan 13, 2014 11:40 PM GMT
    Another one here.
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    Jan 14, 2014 2:14 AM GMT
    Never was, nor dated one...

    But I scared a couple of door-knockers away once...

    I greeted them - couple of decent looking guys - let them begin the pitch when I interrupted them and said:

    "Sure! C'mon in, we can all get naked and talk about god!!" as I took off my tee..

    I started unhitching my belt and they dropped a leaflet and left.

    I felt a little bit rejected, but I got over it. icon_lol.gif
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    Jan 14, 2014 2:19 AM GMT
    JonSpringon saidNever was, nor dated one...

    But I scared a couple of door-knockers away once...

    I greeted them - couple of decent looking guys - let them begin the pitch when I interrupted them and said:

    "Sure! C'mon in, we can all get naked and talk about god!!" as I took off my tee..

    I started unhitching my belt and they dropped a leaflet and left.

    I felt a little bit rejected, but I got over it. icon_lol.gif


    Hahaha, that's hilarious.
  • Whipmagic

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    Jan 14, 2014 2:28 AM GMT
    YourName2000 said^^^ Hahaha, I used to do that to the JWs that used to show up at the door on Saturday. In fact, if I saw them ahead of time, I run to strip off my cloths, put on a housecoat, and be ready to answer the door. I'd act so interested, revealing a bit more, a bit more, until inevitably they'd want to hand you something, and poof! --housecoat opens up to the full monty as I take their brouchure. The best was to continue talking as if you didn't notice, and see how long it too for them to cut bait and bail. icon_lol.gif I ended up on a list though and then they stopped coming by. icon_sad.gif I used to wave at them from the window in my open housecoat as they skipped my house for the neighbors.


    I never got that daring. My best effort to deal with them was to keep a few cards from missionaries from other denominations handy. I always told them that I knew someone who was seriously in need of salvation, and try should call him, and then handed them the card of whoever tried to convert me last. I hope they enjoyed each other.
  • Amelorn

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    Jan 14, 2014 3:08 AM GMT
    I've known a few mormons, including a semi-observant gay history student. I've also delved into The Book of Mormon, as well as critical analyses of that book. Down here in Brisbane, I met a few missionaries holding some sort of South Pacific youth retreat/summer camp with ages 12-20 present. They were immediately identifiable as young American men by their wardrobe choices: polo shirt, relaxed straight fit khakis, and sneakers. icon_wink.gif

    My own background, for the curious, is an ex-Roman Catholic now atheist.

    I have found the people to be decent, although "challenging" beliefs can be problematic, though this is often the case with many other devout Christians. The need to "sell" the religion suggests a parochial world-view that would eventually clash with mine. Of course, some are more pushy than others.

    My "problems" aren't with the people, so much as the institution and its norms/practices which subsequently influence the followers.

    The Book of Mormon is, to put it bluntly, a piece of fantasy literature straight out of the "Manifest Destiny" era of America's ideological history. I don't hold the conventional Bible in great esteem either, for the record.

    The enforced tithing and subsidiary ownership of corporations raises my eyebrows eyebrows.

    Most importantly are the psychological ramifications. Watching a young gay man struggle with a perfectly acceptable "what is" (being gay) versus a damaging "ought to be" (suppressing "homosexual tendencies" to be a proper Mormon) doesn't leave one with the best impression. Combine that with official Church dogma on homosexuality and the bizarre "protective" posturing that ex-Mormons afford their faith makes me wonder. The disciplinary council It draws a striking parallel with the research I have done on the psychology of extremely controlling families. For example, scapegoats or other "low-ranking" members are hesitant to voice (often justified and rational) criticisms because of a deeply ingrained "don't harm/slander the family". My own views are that that mechanism only serves to protect that which would be exposed as wrong/harmful/illegitimate/misguided/otherwise open to criticism.

  • wellwell

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    Jan 14, 2014 3:26 AM GMT
    I WANT 2 MARRY A MORMON !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • wellwell

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    Jan 14, 2014 3:45 AM GMT
    "I'm Half-Mormon and Half-Catholic and I consider them both to be cults. (joking)"


    Yo, hidden member above (no joke!):

    The words Cult, Culture, and Cultivate all come from the Latin word
    Colere,
    meaning to cultivate or cherish. All English dictionaries agree; except, Oxford.

    There are millions of Cults; including, the ones' you cited. I belong to several, but not LDS !

    Any Mormons-or-exMormons out there w/ muscle, fur, & 4skin? Move to Albuquerque, HURRY!
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    Jan 14, 2014 4:53 AM GMT
    like I'd date someone who thinks Jesus is from Vermont ah hahaha
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    Jan 14, 2014 5:03 AM GMT
    Ex-Moron here
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    Jan 14, 2014 5:07 AM GMT
    Jewlicious saidEx-Moron here
    What are you now?