The gay church down the street

  • swimbikerun

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    Jul 06, 2008 7:16 PM GMT
    They just moved in down the block from me. I was able to withstand a whole thirty minutes of the sermon before I had to leave.

    As a gay man, I see the need for community but as an atheist I've a lot of problems with organized religion.
  • vindog

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    Jul 06, 2008 7:54 PM GMT
    swimbikerun saidThey just moved in down the block from me. I was able to withstand a whole thirty minutes of the sermon before I had to leave.


    Did you leave before they started talking about the unicorns?
  • MikePhilPerez

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    Jul 06, 2008 7:59 PM GMT
    swimbikerun saidThey just moved in down the block from me. I was able to withstand a whole thirty minutes of the sermon before I had to leave.

    As a gay man, I see the need for community but as an atheist I've a lot of problems with organized religion.



    Are you saying you were at church today icon_eek.gif

    There is hope for you yet icon_razz.gif
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    Jul 06, 2008 11:14 PM GMT
    MikePhil saidAre you saying you were at church today icon_eek.gif
    There is hope for you yet icon_razz.gif


    Now, MikePhil, I go out of my way not to mock your religion.

    You, on the other hand, lose no opportunity to mock the non-religious. icon_smile.gif
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    Jul 06, 2008 11:16 PM GMT
    Just don't drink the Kool Aid

    swimbikerun saidThey just moved in down the block from me. I was able to withstand a whole thirty minutes of the sermon before I had to leave.

    As a gay man, I see the need for community but as an atheist I've a lot of problems with organized religion.
  • MikePhilPerez

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    Jul 06, 2008 11:30 PM GMT
    jprichva said[quote][cite]MikePhil said[/cite]Are you saying you were at church today icon_eek.gif
    There is hope for you yet icon_razz.gif


    Now, MikePhil, I go out of my way not to mock your religion.

    You, on the other hand, lose no opportunity to mock the non-religious. icon_smile.gif[/quote]


    Jprichva, that is not true.

    Swimbikerun, and I have had some email exchanges about my replies to him. Over all the emails have been very friendly, and honestly my reply to the this one, was me just messing with him, and I believe he knows that.

    I have mocked those that have mocked me, that is true. I have never mocked anyone who has not mocked me.

    If Swim was offended by my comment, then I apologies.

    Mike
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    Jul 06, 2008 11:34 PM GMT
    MikePhil saidJprichva, that is not true.
    Swimbikerun, and I have had some email exchanges about my replies to him. Over all the emails have been very friendly, and honestly my reply to the this one, was me just messing with him, and I believe he knows that.
    I have mocked those that have mocked me, that is true. I have never mocked anyone who has not mocked me.
    If Swim was offended by my comment, then I apologies.
    Mike


    Oh well, I didn't know you two were email pals.

    My bad.

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  • Timbales

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    Jul 06, 2008 11:35 PM GMT
    swimbikerun saidThey just moved in down the block from me. I was able to withstand a whole thirty minutes of the sermon before I had to leave.

    As a gay man, I see the need for community but as an atheist I've a lot of problems with organized religion.


    at least you did have an open mind and decided to check it out before just dismissing it out of hand
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    Jul 06, 2008 11:36 PM GMT
    jprichva said[quote][cite]MikePhil said[/cite]Jprichva, that is not true.
    Swimbikerun, and I have had some email exchanges about my replies to him. Over all the emails have been very friendly, and honestly my reply to the this one, was me just messing with him, and I believe he knows that.
    I have mocked those that have mocked me, that is true. I have never mocked anyone who has not mocked me.
    If Swim was offended by my comment, then I apologies.
    Mike


    Oh well, I didn't know you two were email pals.

    My bad.

    Hugs. You know I love ya.[/quote]

    You are bad, turn the other cheek and i'll spank that one too.
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    Jul 06, 2008 11:45 PM GMT
    I'm a Christian and I have issues with the "gay churches". A lot of my friends try to get me to attend their "welcoming congregations". I'm really ok with everyone making their own choices about religion and churches, but from my experience, I'm not a fan of "gay church".

    I've been in a few of the advertised "gay churches" in my area; they are adorned with rainbow flags above the altar and every sermon covers a gay political topic. In many instances the Bible is ignored; probably for fear of offending someone.

    I'm more interested in a particular congregation's doctrine; what do they believe and teach and are those beliefs and teachings compatible with my own. For me, "Gay" doesn't need to be a characteristic of my worship.
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    Jul 06, 2008 11:55 PM GMT
    swimbikerun saidThey just moved in down the block from me. I was able to withstand a whole thirty minutes of the sermon before I had to leave.

    As a gay man, I see the need for community but as an atheist I've a lot of problems with organized religion.
    I am confused. You went to a Church you don't like?
    As much as you have posted about your problems with "organized religions" why did you go to one?
  • GeorgeNJ

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    Jul 07, 2008 2:55 AM GMT
    USMmmm said... I'm more interested in a particular congregation's doctrine; what do they believe and teach and are those beliefs and teachings compatible with my own. For me, "Gay" doesn't need to be a characteristic of my worship.


    I really admire this, USM. It marks you out as an intelligent person.
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    Jul 07, 2008 5:45 AM GMT
    USMmmm saidI'm more interested in a particular congregation's doctrine; what do they believe and teach and are those beliefs and teachings compatible with my own. For me, "Gay" doesn't need to be a characteristic of my worship.


    Well said USMmmm.

    I go to an "Affirming" church here in Detroit and the church is trying very hard to reach out to the straight community so that we're not just a "gay" church.

    I felt the same way when I attended some of the other "gay" churches until I found this one. Politics are NEVER talked about from the pulpit. Our pastor's sermons are about practical life application and fellowship.

    And to the original poster, I initially thought.. you're an Athiest? Why did you ever go??? But then I read Timberoo's post and... well... yeah, good for you for at least listening for a moment. I hope the folks in that church will give you the same respect if you ever have a chance to talk with them about what you believe.

  • swimbikerun

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    Jul 07, 2008 6:14 PM GMT
    It's true MikePhil and I are email buds with benefits. He likes to stuff my inbox.

    ActiveAndFit I went because they are at the end of the block, only a short walk away from where I live.

    I came out as an atheist and then immediately demanded to see the reverend. But seriously, I thought I could stand at least it just a bit so I could get to know people.

    I really couldn't stand it. I'd rather hear how we should put our faith in ourselves and other human beings rather than some imaginary being.

    The sermon also seemed rather self-serving, as I'm sure all sermons are. Hit you with guilt about being human, out come the tithing baskets.
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    Jul 07, 2008 11:54 PM GMT
    swimbikerun saidActiveAndFit I went because they are at the end of the block, only a short walk away from where I live.

    I came out as an atheist and then immediately demanded to see the reverend. But seriously, I thought I could stand at least it just a bit so I could get to know people.

    I really couldn't stand it. I'd rather hear how we should put our faith in ourselves and other human beings rather than some imaginary being.

    This is sounding like a joke you know .. "Why did the atheist cross the road? To go to the church on the other side "
    or even
    "Why did the atheist cross the road to go to the Church? To get to the other side"

    I also don't know why you demanded to see a reverend, couldn't you have just talked it out with God at home?
    Well now that you did it, don't do it again .. go and err no more!
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    Jul 08, 2008 12:07 AM GMT
    Have no idea of what kind of church this was, and there are many different flavors. The only "gay" church I would know is the Metropolitan Community Church, and from what I understand they are more high church than a lot of others.

    Sermons at my church aren't about guilt, so it can't be every one.
  • swimbikerun

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    Jul 08, 2008 12:14 AM GMT
    Yeah it is the MCC. Some of the guilt talk centered on addiction and the idea seems to be to replace the focus of the addiction with god.


    ActiveAndFit my demanding to the see the reverend was said as a joke, and the people at the church all laughed. Laughed at me I tell you!

    Oh, and by the way, no one could speak with me about Ezekiel. No biblethumper I've met can.
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    Jul 08, 2008 12:20 AM GMT
    swimbikerun saidThey just moved in down the block from me. I was able to withstand a whole thirty minutes of the sermon before I had to leave.

    As a gay man, I see the need for community but as an atheist I've a lot of problems with organized religion.


    If and when I decide to go to a Christian church, I usually either to the church my father ministered in, or the Unit.Universalist. But I go for the sense of community and to reassure myself that I'm not alone in that need. As for the spiritual aspect; which is most important to me, I usually keep that to myself. Not one to brag about number of prayers, donations or hours spent volunteering.

    But back to the point. When going to a church or temple I usually go with an open mind, knowing that the others there have their hearts and minds set on hearing what has to be said and want to commune in a way they see fit. Then I try to imagine myself as they are, and occassionally I feel even more connected to the others around me, and somehow connected to everything with that. Light a doobie, pass it to the left and call me a hippy, but we're all connected in more ways than one. It feels good to be around others whom agree, as long as they're not demanding blood for sins and cruxify every Adam and Steve within and earshot.

    Further note: none of this was meant to insult anyone of criticize anyone's beliefs, no matter how different from my own. I was once an aethiest, wicca, buddhist and born again christian myself... so I've see the light, from different sides of the room. I've got nothing against you.
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    Jul 08, 2008 6:02 AM GMT
    swimbikerun saidActiveAndFit my demanding to the see the reverend was said as a joke, and the people at the church all laughed. Laughed at me I tell you!
    Well Well, hopefully it didn't turn out like this

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    Jul 08, 2008 9:23 AM GMT
    atlnvmasc said[quote][cite]swimbikerun said[/cite]They just moved in down the block from me. I was able to withstand a whole thirty minutes of the sermon before I had to leave.


    Did you leave before they started talking about the unicorns? [/quote]

    That made me lol. Funny guy. Anyway...

    Total respect for checking things out. Personally, I grew up in church and have checked enough to know I'm not interested in orderly, organised, orthopeadic religion. Don't put a splint on my spirit or a cast on my soul. I'm not damaged, but as God meant me to be. Exploring that outside the church has proved much more fulfilling.
  • cowboyathlete

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    Jul 08, 2008 11:52 AM GMT
    I went to a gay friendly Methodist church here for six months (a reconciling congregation, whatever that means). I stopped because Sunday morning was basically just another gay show, and the church was run by the same upper white class gay male clique that runs everything else in town. Not a very welcoming congregation either, I was an outsider.
  • swimbikerun

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    Jul 08, 2008 7:33 PM GMT
    ActiveAndFit saidWell Well, hopefully it didn't turn out like this

    Lol, not exactly! I was in the rec room of the church not in a gymnasium. And my dress was a little shorter.
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    Jul 08, 2008 7:35 PM GMT
    And here I though this was a thread about the gym.
  • MikePhilPerez

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    Jul 08, 2008 8:45 PM GMT
    swimbikerun saidIt's true MikePhil and I are email buds with benefits. He likes to stuff my inbox.


    I think it is you that likes to stuff mine icon_confused.gif

    BTW, I'm impressed that you went to check it out, even if you were not impressed by it icon_smile.gif

    Mike
  • MikePhilPerez

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    Jul 08, 2008 8:48 PM GMT
    jprichva said[quote][cite]MikePhil said[/cite]Jprichva, that is not true.
    Swimbikerun, and I have had some email exchanges about my replies to him. Over all the emails have been very friendly, and honestly my reply to the this one, was me just messing with him, and I believe he knows that.
    I have mocked those that have mocked me, that is true. I have never mocked anyone who has not mocked me.
    If Swim was offended by my comment, then I apologies.
    Mike


    Oh well, I didn't know you two were email pals.

    My bad.

    Hugs. You know I love ya.[/quote]


    Well, you had no way of knowing icon_smile.gif

    Hugs to you too, and I love ya also icon_smile.gif

    Mike