Gay Against "Gay Marriage"

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    Mar 04, 2012 1:01 AM GMT
    OK, before you all kill me and burn me at the stake just hear me out.

    I am actually against the idea of 'gay marriage' so to speak or mainly using the word 'marriage'. I'm all for gays getting the same rights and treatment that married couples are afforded by the state but just the use of 'marriage' irks me. It's mainly due to the fact that I'm a Catholic and I know that marriage is defined as a sacred vow between a man and woman. If that's what it's defined as, then you can't say that a man and a man can be married. You can call it something else but it's the same thing basically, just marriage is a religious event that was made for a man and woman.

    I don't know if it comes across as a bigot or hateful or something but I'm just saying what's on my mind and would like to discuss it with others. I just think that since we all want to be respected in the world, we can respect religions by not using the term marriage and they can respect us by allowing us the same rights as married couples.

    Just in case people missed this, I am not against gays being able to be united the same way as a man and woman are in marriage and afforded the same rights as a married couple, my only problem is the fact that it's called marriage because that is defined as being between a man and woman.

    Alright... discuss and please don't kill me.
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    Mar 04, 2012 1:06 AM GMT
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    Long story short everything in the books regarding rights towards marriage is written in the form of "married" not civil union or any other term. To rewrite those laws would take for ever and they wont do it. To allow us marriage saves time, money and a bunch of bullshit.
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    Mar 04, 2012 1:08 AM GMT
    MarkRoger saidOK, before you all kill me and burn me at the stake just hear me out.

    I am actually against the idea of 'gay marriage' so to speak or mainly using the word 'marriage'. I'm all for gays getting the same rights and treatment that married couples are afforded by the state but just the use of 'marriage' irks me. It's mainly due to the fact that I'm a Catholic and I know that marriage is defined as a sacred vow between a man and woman.
    Thats all I read and then declared you're a troll. Especially after reading your other postings.. its rather obvious.
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    Mar 04, 2012 1:14 AM GMT
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    MarkRoger saidOK, before you all kill me and burn me at the stake just hear me out.

    I am actually against the idea of 'gay marriage' so to speak or mainly using the word 'marriage'. I'm all for gays getting the same rights and treatment that married couples are afforded by the state but just the use of 'marriage' irks me. It's mainly due to the fact that I'm a Catholic and I know that marriage is defined as a sacred vow between a man and woman.
    Thats all I read and then declared you're a troll. Especially after reading your other postings.. its rather obvious.


    A troll? I can guarantee you this, I'm no troll. If this thread is going to devolve into something bad then I suggest it just dies then... but, what Claystation posted makes sense. I suppose it's not big deal since it's seen as a legal marriage rather than a 'divine' one.
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    Mar 04, 2012 1:17 AM GMT
    So whats another word we can use other than marriage, 'manrriage'


    "This manrriage between two people....

    And what about the females....

    "This womanrriage between two people..."



    I think I'll stick to the word marriage.....
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    Mar 04, 2012 1:19 AM GMT
    The bible was written by homophobic self righteous bigots..in no way is it the word of god. Therefore, it is these men who defined what marriage "should" be. You are propagating the same argument that the religious right is using to keep us second class citizens. If you want to be treated the same as straights then we should be allowed to define our relationships in the same manner...otherwise straight people will always have a way to exclude us. People will never view a civil union in the same light as being married. Straights will continue to promote the idea that marriage is much more sacred and powerful bond between two people than any other type of relationship.
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    Mar 04, 2012 1:21 AM GMT
    TROLL... or just gutless and too busy trolling to fill out ANY INFO ON YOUR PROFILE! Nice try to stir the pot.....icon_lol.gif
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    Mar 04, 2012 1:26 AM GMT
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    MarkRoger saidOK, before you all kill me and burn me at the stake just hear me out.

    I am actually against the idea of 'gay marriage' so to speak or mainly using the word 'marriage'. I'm all for gays getting the same rights and treatment that married couples are afforded by the state but just the use of 'marriage' irks me. It's mainly due to the fact that I'm a Catholic and I know that marriage is defined as a sacred vow between a man and woman.
    Thats all I read and then declared you're a troll. Especially after reading your other postings.. its rather obvious.


    A troll? I can guarantee you this, I'm no troll. If this thread is going to devolve into something bad then I suggest it just dies then... but, what Claystation posted makes sense. I suppose it's not big deal since it's seen as a legal marriage rather than a 'divine' one.
    There isnt one damn gay person who gives a damn about a 'divine' 'marriage' (thats a personal issue). The fight is about the freakin LEGAL marriage, just like the physical "marriage" between an engine and a transmission or between two 'sistered' ( no that doesnt mean they are biblical sisters) floor joists.icon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gif Keep sucking up to that family that hates gays that you're so afraid to confront for your own self being.
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    Mar 04, 2012 1:29 AM GMT
    I didn't fill out any info because I'm feeling out the site and I'm waiting to get my pics onto this computer... so let's just not this be an attack on me please I just wanted to discuss what I thought geez...

    The Biz Man makes a good point but because of what I've been taught it's hard for me to think otherwise and just denounce the Bible as total lies and I probably will never be able to do that on certain things. But like you said, people use it as a tool to hold us down and that's wrong and is totally against the teachings...

    Thank you everyone (Claystation and BizMan) that responded without calling me names, you've given me some new ideas that I should think about.

    PS: I'm sorry this thread offended anyone, just let it die please.
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    Mar 04, 2012 1:33 AM GMT
    MarkRoger saidI didn't fill out any info because I'm feeling out the site and I'm waiting to get my pics onto this computer... so let's just not this be an attack on me please I just wanted to discuss what I thought geez...

    The Biz Man makes a good point but because of what I've been taught it's hard for me to think otherwise and just denounce the Bible as total lies and I probably will never be able to do that on certain things. But like you said, people use it as a tool to hold us down and that's wrong and is totally against the teachings...

    Thank you everyone (Claystation and BizMan) that responded without calling me names, you've given me some new ideas that I should think about.

    PS: I'm sorry this thread offended anyone, just let it die please.
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    Mar 04, 2012 1:44 AM GMT
    OK nice of you to pick out words and try and turn them around. Obviously I mean it's hard for me to believe otherwise from something I was taught since childhood and also, what if I don't want to believe otherwise on certain subjects anyway? Not everyone is lucky enough to be able to just come out and enjoy life OK...

    Again, thank you those who have made comments here.
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    Mar 04, 2012 2:12 AM GMT
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    I am actually against the idea of 'gay marriage' so to speak or mainly using the word 'marriage'. I'm all for gays getting the same rights and treatment that married couples are afforded by the state but just the use of 'marriage' irks me. It's mainly due to the fact that I'm a Catholic and I know that marriage is defined as a sacred vow between a man and woman. If that's what it's defined as, then you can't say that a man and a man can be married. You can call it something else but it's the same thing basically, just marriage is a religious event that was made for a man and woman.




    If marriage is just a religious event, then the government needs to take it self completely out of the business of marriage. Perhaps no rights for anyone based on marriage? In this country any jew, muslim, christian, hindu, buddhist, scientoligist, atheist, sikh, taoist, shinto, wiccan, or agnostic hetereosexual can get married and receive that certificate with the word 'marriage' on it and it can be performed by someone with religious affiliation or certain persons whose authority to perform the service has nothing to do with religion. Marriage is not something we reserve only for those of the Judeo-Christo-Islamic Tradition. And it should not be something only for your religious view of marriage. And when you start out with a different thing for gays then it will not be the same- we already see that with some not wanting us to have the right to adopt as a domestic couple.
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    Mar 04, 2012 2:26 AM GMT
    Well I think the fact that there are laws and rights given to those who get 'married' legally comes from the fact that church and state were usually hand-in-hand in the past.

    One way I could see things would be doing away with the term 'marriage' in the laws and replacing it with 'civil union' so that all types of persons being brought together legally will be counted as a 'civil union' and for religious people, they can have their own marriage ceremony in a church according to their religion and beliefs but the only thing on paper that is legally accepted will be what the state will provide through the civil union.
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    Mar 04, 2012 2:30 AM GMT
    MarkRoger saidOK, before you all kill me and burn me at the stake just hear me out.



    Mind doing that yourself? Would save us the trouble.

    Religion has distorted EVERYTHING from marriage, politics, wars...why shouldn't two gay men or two gay women be married? This is bullshit and your view is distorted. Religion should be what you want it to be...inner faith so to speak. It shouldn't be based on a book that has been translated into hundreds of languages over the years.

    Hand in your gay card please you are FIRED.
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    Mar 04, 2012 2:34 AM GMT
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    MarkRoger saidOK, before you all kill me and burn me at the stake just hear me out.



    Mind doing that yourself? Would save us the trouble.

    Religion has distorted EVERYTHING from marriage, politics, wars...why shouldn't two gay men or two gay women be married? This is bullshit and your view is distorted. Religion should be what you want it to be...inner faith so to speak. It shouldn't be based on a book that has been translated into hundreds of languages over the years.

    Hand in your gay card please you are FIRED.


    This thread shouldn't be about arguing over someone's beliefs. You might believe that religion ruined the world, I'm sure there are those who agree with you and those who don't. I will say that religion has been USED to distort many aspects of the life we live, but don't hate the religion hate the people that abused it that way.
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    Mar 04, 2012 2:35 AM GMT
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    MarkRoger saidOK, before you all kill me and burn me at the stake just hear me out.



    Mind doing that yourself? Would save us the trouble.

    Religion has distorted EVERYTHING from marriage, politics, wars...why shouldn't two gay men or two gay women be married? This is bullshit and your view is distorted. Religion should be what you want it to be...inner faith so to speak. It shouldn't be based on a book that has been translated into hundreds of languages over the years.

    Hand in your gay card please you are FIRED.


    This thread shouldn't be about arguing over someone's beliefs. You might believe that religion ruined the world, I'm sure there are those who agree with you and those who don't. I will say that religion has been USED to distort many aspects of the life we live, but don't hate the religion hate the people that abused it that way.


    Just like how it has distorted yours.
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    Mar 04, 2012 2:39 AM GMT
    MarkRoger saidWell I think the fact that there are laws and rights given to those who get 'married' legally comes from the fact that church and state were usually hand-in-hand in the past.

    One way I could see things would be doing away with the term 'marriage' in the laws and replacing it with 'civil union' so that all types of persons being brought together legally will be counted as a 'civil union' and for religious people, they can have their own marriage ceremony in a church according to their religion and beliefs but the only thing on paper that is legally accepted will be what the state will provide through the civil union.


    Think allowing gays to marry in this country is a tough fight? Try telling heterosexuals that as a compromise they will now receive an official 'certificate of civil union' to stick in their wedding scrapbook or custom frame to put on their wall.
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    Mar 04, 2012 2:42 AM GMT

    Hi MarkRoger, you're cordially invited to peruse our profile. icon_wink.gif

    Now this, "just marriage is a religious event that was made for a man and woman."

    The bible also permitted polygamous marriage.
    Adam and Eve's children had children from incest. There was no one else.

    Beware of taking the book literally. I'm Christian and Bill is atheist. We married in 2009 after 20 monogamous years together.

    The gov't rightly oversees marriage with licenses and rights. Left to churches it was unevenly and prejudicially granted. The history of the decisions the church made regarding interracial or infertile or interfaith or disabled couples is rather appalling.

    -Doug
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    Mar 04, 2012 2:44 AM GMT
    At AlexanderB, it may have distorted my views how do I know if they're distorted or not? Because they may not agree with yours my view is distorted?

    Anyway, from the responses I've been getting I think that it was a mistake posting this... well not a mistake, I learned from the posts here so I guess it wasn't that much of a mistake but I hope the thread dies now.

    Edit: Just read Doug's post and that was the best comment in this thread so thank you!
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    Mar 04, 2012 2:49 AM GMT
    You're warmly welcome MarkRoger. I hope you come to a comfortable understanding of equality in this rather serious matter.

    -Doug