"Better to be a dictator than gay."

  • coolarmydude

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    Mar 05, 2012 4:17 PM GMT
    http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/05/10580407-better-a-dictator-than-gay-belarus-president-alexander-lukashenko-says

    Alexander Lukashenko, the authoritarian president of Belarus, on Sunday criticized EU politicians who have threatened him with sanctions and in an apparent riposte to the German foreign minister's branding him "Europe's last dictator," said: "Better to be a dictator than gay."

    Guido Westerwelle is Germany's first openly gay minister...


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    Mar 05, 2012 4:26 PM GMT
    coolarmydude saidhttp://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/05/10580407-better-a-dictator-than-gay-belarus-president-alexander-lukashenko-says

    Alexander Lukashenko, the authoritarian president of Belarus, on Sunday criticized EU politicians who have threatened him with sanctions and in an apparent riposte to the German foreign minister's branding him "Europe's last dictator," said: "Better to be a dictator than gay."

    Guido Westerwelle is Germany's first openly gay minister...

    Maybe what the world needs is a gay dictator. icon_confused.gif
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    Mar 05, 2012 4:33 PM GMT
    Sorry, all I saw was "Better to be a dick taker than gay". icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Mar 05, 2012 5:52 PM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    coolarmydude saidhttp://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/05/10580407-better-a-dictator-than-gay-belarus-president-alexander-lukashenko-says

    Alexander Lukashenko, the authoritarian president of Belarus, on Sunday criticized EU politicians who have threatened him with sanctions and in an apparent riposte to the German foreign minister's branding him "Europe's last dictator," said: "Better to be a dictator than gay."

    Guido Westerwelle is Germany's first openly gay minister...

    Maybe what the world needs is a gay dictator. icon_confused.gif


    But then there would be you to teach them how to do it with class. History is full of gay and bi kings, politicians so forth, so why not dictators too. With Rj having such a strong left wing militant following, I'm sure we could find one or even two or more in their ranksicon_lol.gif
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    Mar 05, 2012 6:18 PM GMT
    Eff Lukashenko!

    I like Wessterwelle! He's a "liberal", but in our sense a "conservative".

    "Westerwelle is a staunch supporter of the free market and has proposed reforms to curtail the German welfare state and deregulate German labor law. In an interview in February 2003, Westerwelle described trade unions as a "plague on our country" and said union officials were "the pall bearers of the welfare state and of the prosperity in our country".[14] He has called for substantial tax cuts and smaller government, in line with the general direction of his party."

    In Germany they call this a "liberal" position (classical liberal), as it should be rightly called in America as well.
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    Mar 05, 2012 7:51 PM GMT
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    mocktwinkie saidEff Lukashenko!

    I like Wessterwelle! He's a "liberal", but in our sense a "conservative".

    "Westerwelle is a staunch supporter of the free market and has proposed reforms to curtail the German welfare state and deregulate German labor law. In an interview in February 2003, Westerwelle described trade unions as a "plague on our country" and said union officials were "the pall bearers of the welfare state and of the prosperity in our country".[14] He has called for substantial tax cuts and smaller government, in line with the general direction of his party."

    In Germany they call this a "liberal" position (classical liberal), as it should be rightly called in America as well.

    Why should it be called that?
    The word liberal suggests open-minded, broad-thinking, tolerant, progressive.
    What part of American conservatism embodies any of those?


    The American "liberal" just fuses together certain precepts of what you listed with a secular form of "religious dictation". It marries it with many regulations...similar to: "liberty to do with your body and life as long as it aligns with what we think is in your best interest" -- in the same way you hear religious right-wing pundits talk about "freedom" except for when it comes to gays to marry.

    So if a bar wants to have smoking "liberals" all of a sudden cast away their "tolerance", even though no one is being forced to work in that bar or patronize that bar. In fact, when it comes to economic matters in general all of a sudden liberals aren't liberal anymore!

    Conservatism, without the religious oppression aspect is about freedom, tolerance (not necessarily acceptance), free markets (all classical liberalism).
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    Mar 05, 2012 9:25 PM GMT
    JPtheBITCH said
    mocktwinkie said
    JPtheBITCH said
    mocktwinkie saidEff Lukashenko!

    I like Wessterwelle! He's a "liberal", but in our sense a "conservative".

    "Westerwelle is a staunch supporter of the free market and has proposed reforms to curtail the German welfare state and deregulate German labor law. In an interview in February 2003, Westerwelle described trade unions as a "plague on our country" and said union officials were "the pall bearers of the welfare state and of the prosperity in our country".[14] He has called for substantial tax cuts and smaller government, in line with the general direction of his party."

    In Germany they call this a "liberal" position (classical liberal), as it should be rightly called in America as well.

    Why should it be called that?
    The word liberal suggests open-minded, broad-thinking, tolerant, progressive.
    What part of American conservatism embodies any of those?


    The American "liberal" just fuses together certain precepts of what you listed with a secular form of "religious dictation". It marries it with many regulations...similar to: "liberty to do with your body and life as long as it aligns with what we think is in your best interest" -- in the same way you hear religious right-wing pundits talk about "freedom" except for when it comes to gays to marry.

    So if a bar wants to have smoking "liberals" all of a sudden cast away their "tolerance", even though no one is being forced to work in that bar or patronize that bar. In fact, when it comes to economic matters in general all of a sudden liberals aren't liberal anymore!

    Conservatism, without the religious oppression aspect is about freedom, tolerance (not necessarily acceptance), free markets (all classical liberalism).

    Well, sort of. The idea that "free markets" (quotes because, let's be honest here, there are no such things) are somehow "liberal" came from the then-radical idea of opposing mercantilism, which had been the dominant commercial mode in Britain at the time Adam Smith was writing. But the fact is that now so-called free markets are 1) not free and 2) once again more mercantilist than not, with the government favoring or dis-favoring certain enterprises via the tax code. What "free markets" are now, essentially, is corporatist. And there's nothing FDR-liberal or Adam Smith-liberal about that.


    Well, of course. Neither is freedom or liberty absolute. It's about greater percentages, never about absolutes.