When to take multivitamin?

  • dcmacguy

    Posts: 102

    Mar 07, 2012 2:58 AM GMT
    I did a search but didn't have much luck finding anything, so my apologies if this is a repeat post.

    I've been taking the GNC Mega Man Sport Vitapaks for about 3 months now. I'm sure there is a bit of placebo effect, but I definitely can tell that they help me out with the gym.

    I'm a bit confused as to when I should be taking them though for the maximum effect. I have been taking them at about 5:00 in the evening, and I usually get to the gym at about 6:15.

    Should I be taking my vitamins with breakfast, or am i doing the right thing by taking them somewhat closer to my workout? I drink a ton of water and sweat like crazy - I just wonder if I am literally pissing away the benefits.
  • commoncoll

    Posts: 1222

    Mar 07, 2012 9:43 PM GMT
    If you eat a balanced diet with enough vegetables and fruits, you do not need to take in multivitamins. Your body will only store as many vitamins as it needs, the rest will be excreted in urine. It is very difficult to be deficient in vitamins in the West. Multivitamins have not been proven to help people who do not have chronic diseases. All the extra vitamin is just more output for urine.

    In the end, multivitamins=expensive urine

    Here is a better suggestion though: go to http://www.mypyramidtracker.gov/. Go to food assessment. You will need to put in what you eat for the day. Then you can do Analyze Food Intake, and it will tell you how much of the essential factors, metals, and vitamins you intake, and it will give you recommendations for comparison.

    This way you can know what you truly need rather than just producing expensive urine.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Mar 07, 2012 9:53 PM GMT
    commoncoll saidIf you eat a balanced diet, you do not need to take in multivitamins. It is very difficult to be deficient in vitamins in the West. Multivitamins have not been proven to help people who do not have chronic diseases. All the extra vitamin is just more output for urine.

    In the end, multivitamins=expensive urine


    Oh please, doctors don't know shit about health, that is something they will tell you. Multivitamins help prevent diseases in the future. Watch the documentary, Food Matters, it will tell you everything.

    I had nocturia for a year and half and I went to the doctors and he gave me this antibiotic to cure any infection in my prostate that might have been the case I had to get up to pee in the middle of the night everyday. Didn't work. I bought Michael's Naturopathic Prostate factors tablets which was 100% organic containing Magnesium (which most Americans lack in their diet) Zinc, Saw Palmetto and Pygeum. After 2 weeks, it was GONE! Gone I tell you! I get to sleep the whole night without any interruption and I owe it all to going all natural in curing nocturia.

    When I read how to cure Nocturia from all those medical websites, they said there was no cure but antibiotics or a change in lifestyle. Even when I ate nothing 5 hours before my bedtime, I still had to pee in the middle of the night. But when I went all natural with these tablets, I no longer have to get up in the middle of the night.
  • commoncoll

    Posts: 1222

    Mar 07, 2012 9:59 PM GMT
    Boris said

    Oh please, doctors don't know shit about health, that is something they will tell you. Multivitamins help prevent diseases in the future. Watch the documentary, Food Matters, it will tell you everything.


    What? What makes you think physicians don't know about health? Multivitamins help prevent diseases when the body has a deficiency. If your body doesn't have a deficiency, you don't need the multivitamins since your body doesn't store them except A, D, E, and K-the fat soluble vitamins. The body knows when it needs to use something, and when it needs to store something.

    Maybe it worked for you because you had deficiencies. But objective studies have noted that multivitamins do not improve the health of someone who already takes in enough from their daily food intake.

    Notice where I said eating balanced diet.

    Nocturia is a symptom, not a diagnosis, but good to know you no longer have it. Urine production is regulated by the body. If you drink too much water before sleeping, you will need to get up in the middle of the night to pee. If you eat more salt, your body will regulate itself so that you automatically produce less urine so sodium concentration can remain low.

    Maybe those pills gave you extra salt so you would retain water.

    And lastly, there is such a thing as vitamin toxicity from megadoses.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Mar 08, 2012 12:51 AM GMT
    commoncoll said
    Boris said

    Oh please, doctors don't know shit about health, that is something they will tell you. Multivitamins help prevent diseases in the future. Watch the documentary, Food Matters, it will tell you everything.


    What? What makes you think physicians don't know about health? Multivitamins help prevent diseases when the body has a deficiency. If your body doesn't have a deficiency, you don't need the multivitamins since your body doesn't store them except A, D, E, and K-the fat soluble vitamins. The body knows when it needs to use something, and when it needs to store something.

    Maybe it worked for you because you had deficiencies. But objective studies have noted that multivitamins do not improve the health of someone who already takes in enough from their daily food intake.

    Notice where I said eating balanced diet.

    Nocturia is a symptom, not a diagnosis, but good to know you no longer have it. Urine production is regulated by the body. If you drink too much water before sleeping, you will need to get up in the middle of the night to pee. If you eat more salt, your body will regulate itself so that you automatically produce less urine so sodium concentration can remain low.

    Maybe those pills gave you extra salt so you would retain water.

    And lastly, there is such a thing as vitamin toxicity from megadoses.


    Dude, you're wrong. I had nocturia for a year and half, every night. It was almost like a normal lifestyle for me regardless of how I tried to maintain myself before I go to sleep. There is no evidence that overdose on vitamins can kill a human being but a couple thousand people die a year from medication given from doctors.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Mar 08, 2012 12:52 AM GMT
    Ugh, for me. . .when I remember. I know you are supposed to take them at uniform times, but I suck lol. I take mine when I remember.

    edit: some things are not easily attained in ones diet, in which case - supplementation is beneficial.

    Biotin, for example - is good for your hair, skin, and nails, and it comes from weird sources in food (raw egg yolks, liver, etc.) so it's easier to get it from a vitamin.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Mar 08, 2012 1:13 AM GMT
    get a blood test done to find which vitimins are you deficient in. Your doctor will tell you.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Mar 08, 2012 1:14 AM GMT
    I usually take my multivitamins at breakfast time, i used to consume two packages of the Animal Paks a day (as recommended), one at breakfast and one right before my workout but i didnt see much of a difference.
  • commoncoll

    Posts: 1222

    Mar 08, 2012 1:31 AM GMT
    Boris said
    Dude, you're wrong. I had nocturia for a year and half, every night. It was almost like a normal lifestyle for me regardless of how I tried to maintain myself before I go to sleep. There is no evidence that overdose on vitamins can kill a human being but a couple thousand people die a year from medication given from doctors.

    I don't know much about nocturia so I'm not going to argue.

    But I just took my Gastrointestinal physiology test where we studied vitamins, and I made a 92 on it, I know a little about this crap. I'm a first year medical student. While deficiencies are more common, believe me, vitamin toxicities can occurs, while they may not kill because they will be caught before it can result in death, vitamin toxicity can occurs with A, C, D, E, K, and B3 and can cause severe damage, especially to liver. Iron toxicity kills. Excess Ca can damage bone and affect heart rhythm and can lead to increased acid in stomach which can cause ulcers and bleeding, etc. Others cause minors symptoms. Admittedly, most people with common sense will not take megadoses.

    And you seem to ignore that water soluble excess vitamins and cofactors are excreted in urine.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Mar 08, 2012 1:33 AM GMT
    Some good info here. Some of it is incomplete.

    The best way to look at vitamins is to take a multi or a 'stress' formula that's designed for men. These contain no extra iron (which is bad for men unless you've a specific condition requiring it as diagnosed by a Dr., otherwise, too much iron in men can cause severe cardiac problems, even if your young.)
    Zinc is usually in these for men's reproductive systems.
    No more than the minimum for A since large doses are toxic and since it's a fat based vitamin, is not easily or quickly eliminated from the body as water based vitamins are like B complex and C.

    Take it with or after food. It is absorbed in your system more efficiently and effectively that way. Otherwise your pissing it all away.

    Vitamins should be considered a mild prophylactic. You take them to make sure your not missing anything. The water soluble vitamins are absorbed as needed and if needed. Foods slow the digestive process of absorption as well as facilitating some of the vitamins and minerals effective use.

    MuchMoreThanMuscle is also correct in going for less expensive vitamins at Costco. I go to CVS and buy them on sale. As long as your not talking about pseudo-scientific, supplements, most regular vitamins that are expensive aren't better. A vitamin is just a chemical. Vitamin C is simply L-ascorbic acid. Putting a fancy brand on it doesn't change it's chemical make up and your body isn't going to know "Designer C" from "Generic C".
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Mar 08, 2012 1:38 AM GMT
    When I take a multi-vitamin (which isn't always), I take it with lunch. The vitamins I always take, b12, b6, and folate, D3, I take with breakfast....oh yeah, calcium too.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Mar 08, 2012 5:59 AM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle saidI simply take a multi-vitamin from Costco as well as some extra calcium and some extra vitamin D. I also try to get some extra vitamin C as well. These are not super expensive. It doesn't even add up to $10 a month.

    bgcat57 saidMuchMoreThanMuscle is also correct in going for less expensive vitamins at Costco. I go to CVS and buy them on sale. As long as your not talking about pseudo-scientific, supplements, most regular vitamins that are expensive aren't better. A vitamin is just a chemical. Vitamin C is simply L-ascorbic acid. Putting a fancy brand on it doesn't change it's chemical make up and your body isn't going to know "Designer C" from "Generic C".

    Oh, great...hopefully I'm not blowing my money on my New Chapter Organics Every Man's One Daily multivitamin (which I break into two halves and take morning and night and is allegedly non-chemical, all food and can be taken without food though I don't): http://www.amazon.com/New-Chapter-Organics-Every-Tablets/product-reviews/B000F4Y9M6/ref=cm_cr_dp_all_helpful?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending
  • Latenight30

    Posts: 1525

    Mar 08, 2012 4:52 PM GMT
    I have taken the sport and now i am on the Amp Strength.
    I take them after breakfast and right before I brush my teeth. Some have a pretty rough after taste.
    Just be consistent is the best thing. Drink lots of water with them too.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Mar 13, 2012 8:30 PM GMT
    Personally I believe we need to take a balanced supplement now because of our food supply, environment, stress.......etc.

    They are like food so it makes sense to me that we need to take them throughout the day at meals so they are present when needed. This also helps with digestion and absorption.

    I've taken nutritional supplements for over a decade now. I'm 47 still teach high intensity fitness classes, Train clients, don't get sick and live a very busy life.

    I do believe it's all part of a balanced lifestyle of

    Good diet
    Exercise
    Sleep
    Stress Management
    and
    Nutritional Supplements.

    Pick you supplements carfully as they are NOT all created equal.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Mar 13, 2012 8:50 PM GMT
    A balanced diet is very important, but even with one, it is extremely difficult to get all the required vitamins and minerals your body needs. So yes, multivitamins are necessary.

    I usually take them twice a day, once in the morning or afternoon, then right before bed. I haven't found conclusive evidence stating when the most beneficial times to take them are, but morning and night seem to make the most sense, especially if you are physically active. There are a lot of different multivitamins out there as well, so you have to do some research on which one will be more beneficial to you. The only thing that is hard to research are the absorbability rates. So, it's usually best to just go with a capsule or liquid form of multivitmain. Most tablet multis have very low asb. rates.
    Stay away from Centrum
  • LJay

    Posts: 11612

    Mar 13, 2012 9:09 PM GMT
    Sorry, Boris. I do not think that documentaries and vitamin stores are good sources of health information. You are welcome to your notions, but I'll stick with the doctors who say that healthy people do not need vitamin supplements. Eat well and save your money. Vegetables taste better than pills anyway. I'll take a piece of steak over a vitamin B pill anytime.

    PS--I have a dead friend who put his faith in saw palmetto.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Mar 13, 2012 9:30 PM GMT
    Vitamins in morning/day and minerals at night (when they absorb best). It's good to not take everything together since some compete for uptake.

    Some vitamins have a lot of backing now for supplementation, like Vitamin D, which is recommended 1000-2000 IU per day (up from only 400 IU a few years ago). That's more than you can obtain from your diet, and more than you can synthesize from reasonable sun exposure if you live in northern latitudes. D is fat soluble, so take it with food, not just a glass of water.

    I believe a lot of people nowadays are deficient in minerals due to factory farming and eating an unvaried Western diet. Crops grown in depleted soils and intensively fertilized (nitrogen, potassium and phosphorus) can be missing trace elements, and nutrition is not a big factor in choosing crop varieties that produce the biggest yield. Some elements are also absent from soils of certain regions (e.g. selenium). Mineral/metal overdose can also be dangerous, of course.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Mar 14, 2012 4:23 PM GMT
    In a perfect world without pesticides, hybridization, chemicals fertilizers, pollution, toxins, hormones, preservatives, processed foods, radiation etc. We probably could get everything we need from our food. We definitely should start there as you can't replace food as a good source of fuel for the body.

    Personally I don't think food alone is enough anymore and that is very unfortunate.

    Educate yourself and supplement wisely. Just as you should look very carefully at the food your eating, look very closely at the supplement your taking. Don't just believe the manufacturers have your best health interest in mind over how much money they can make.

    Some things to look at when choosing a supplement

    Pharmaceutical Grade GMPs
    Purity Guarantee
    Potency Guarantee
    Dissolution testing
    Bioavailability
    In house manufacturing
    Science based and synergistically balanced.

    In good Health
    Be Happy
  • A_1991

    Posts: 366

    Mar 14, 2012 4:37 PM GMT
    I only take them if I dont get enough nutrients from many different sources of vitamins I need. Its bad if you over consume on vitamins and minerals and can get you fat and be less progressive if you are getting much of your daily vitamins from the food you eat. I suggest only take vitamins you are deficient on, than taking a multi-vitamin that has a 100% of your daily needs or more since most likely you will be over consuming on vitamins. Most of the vitamins you think you are deficient are actually made by your body so you dont really have to take some unless you have a problem producing them.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    May 20, 2012 12:52 PM GMT
    vitamins A ,D ,E & K are fat soluble so have them with milk

    Vitamins c & B-complex are water philic so always have plenty of water to make them absorb properly !
    as water soluble vitamins are highly unstable & hard to dissolve !
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    May 20, 2012 5:13 PM GMT
    kandsk saidVitamins in morning/day and minerals at night (when they absorb best). It's good to not take everything together since some compete for uptake.

    Some vitamins have a lot of backing now for supplementation, like Vitamin D, which is recommended 1000-2000 IU per day (up from only 400 IU a few years ago). That's more than you can obtain from your diet, and more than you can synthesize from reasonable sun exposure if you live in northern latitudes. D is fat soluble, so take it with food, not just a glass of water.

    I believe a lot of people nowadays are deficient in minerals due to factory farming and eating an unvaried Western diet. Crops grown in depleted soils and intensively fertilized (nitrogen, potassium and phosphorus) can be missing trace elements, and nutrition is not a big factor in choosing crop varieties that produce the biggest yield. Some elements are also absent from soils of certain regions (e.g. selenium). Mineral/metal overdose can also be dangerous, of course.


    I vote most helpful response. Thanks for taking the time.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    May 20, 2012 5:26 PM GMT
    Boris said
    commoncoll saidIf you eat a balanced diet, you do not need to take in multivitamins. It is very difficult to be deficient in vitamins in the West. Multivitamins have not been proven to help people who do not have chronic diseases. All the extra vitamin is just more output for urine.

    In the end, multivitamins=expensive urine


    Oh please, doctors don't know shit about health, that is something they will tell you. Multivitamins help prevent diseases in the future. Watch the documentary, Food Matters, it will tell you everything.

    I had nocturia for a year and half and I went to the doctors and he gave me this antibiotic to cure any infection in my prostate that might have been the case I had to get up to pee in the middle of the night everyday. Didn't work. I bought Michael's Naturopathic Prostate factors tablets which was 100% organic containing Magnesium (which most Americans lack in their diet) Zinc, Saw Palmetto and Pygeum. After 2 weeks, it was GONE! Gone I tell you! I get to sleep the whole night without any interruption and I owe it all to going all natural in curing nocturia.

    When I read how to cure Nocturia from all those medical websites, they said there was no cure but antibiotics or a change in lifestyle. Even when I ate nothing 5 hours before my bedtime, I still had to pee in the middle of the night. But when I went all natural with these tablets, I no longer have to get up in the middle of the night.


    Its silly to say physicians know nothing about health. But I would agree that what most people don't stop to think about is that like any professions, the medical field is full of people that half ass it. Meaning they don't keep on top of new research and in the health field that changes daily and can quickly make your expertise not so expert. Dr's have a bad habit of just giong for the easiest and most obvious cause without investigating further. They'd rather throw some pills at you and then deal with your problem more seriously if you show up again in a few weeks. Partly money and partly laziness.

    Nocturia though can have lots of causes and while its possible whatever you're taking fixed your problem, you certainly aren't representative of most Westerners. Ample studies have been done and have found that vitamins are as said above, used to make expensive urine.

    Personally, I'd rather avoid the pills and have a real deficiency diagnosed and then eat whatever it is thats clearly lacking from my diet.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    May 20, 2012 5:34 PM GMT
    I use effervescent Vitamin C tablets myself. The only reason I take them is because I smoke so I need more Vitamin C than your average person, around 2000 mg a day I believe . I have one whenever I feel like it, usually with some food.

    A lot of it does get pissed away though, you can tell because your pee turns this weird orange colour, its freaky ! icon_lol.gif
  • Lincsbear

    Posts: 2605

    May 20, 2012 6:09 PM GMT
    Not sure if there is a right time to take them, but probably mealtimes are best as exercise tends to shut your digestion down for the duration.

    Before you add any multivitamins to your diet, address any deficiences there, reduce/cut out the junk and processed food as they lack full nutrients, etc. As posted above, eat a healthy, balanced, and varied diet first.

    Agree with you about a placebo effect: if you believe multivitamins will help you, there`s a good chance they will. You`ll make it happen!

    But looking at your exercise programme, I`d say you`re right to take some extra vitamins/minerals,etc.

    Don`t worry about drinking a lot-if you`re sweating heavily during exercise, it`s essential to keep your fluid levels up, regardless of any supplements you may be taking!
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    May 20, 2012 6:31 PM GMT
    Lincsbear saidAgree with you about a placebo effect: if you believe multivitamins will help you, there`s a good chance they will. You`ll make it happen!

    I don't think you know what "placebo effect" means.