Vegan Diet?

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    Mar 07, 2012 5:20 AM GMT
    Just wondering if anyone else is a vegan and what they think about either building muscle or toning with these parameters. How often and what do you eat? Just wondering how different people go about it.

    I'm not trying to start up an ethical debate here, I'll save that for a different forum....
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    Mar 07, 2012 6:41 PM GMT
    It's pretty hard to build muscle on a vegan diet. If you're going to do it, I'd do some serious research and probably start here: http://veganbodybuilding.com/
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    Mar 07, 2012 6:43 PM GMT
    In my experience vegetarians are always rail thin and vegans are big and pudgy.
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    Mar 07, 2012 7:05 PM GMT
    ALL protein starts as a plant source.

    Even if you eat nothing but raw beef - the cow ate nothing but grass.

    It is possible and very do-able. However it takes a lot of dicipline and research and I think you end up spending more time eating, prepping food, buying food, looking for food than you do working out or enjoying the results.
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    Mar 07, 2012 7:07 PM GMT
    Fuck being a vegan.

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    Mar 07, 2012 7:10 PM GMT
    How many Vegans does it take to eat a double quarter pounder?

    One, but only if no one is looking.
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    Mar 07, 2012 7:13 PM GMT
    There was a vegan episode of Cupcake Wars on the other day. . .those looked like the nastiest cupcakes I've ever seen in my life.
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    Mar 07, 2012 7:17 PM GMT
    Cash saidALL protein starts as a plant source.

    Even if you eat nothing but raw beef - the cow ate nothing but grass.

    It is possible and very do-able. However it takes a lot of dicipline and research and I think you end up spending more time eating, prepping food, buying food, looking for food than you do working out or enjoying the results.
    I agree that it is a lifestyle change for sure.

    Toning is pretty easy with a vegan diet - building muscle is harder but is do-able. The thing to keep in mind is, eating a well-balanced diet with lots of fruits and vegetables is preferable whether you are vegan, vegetarian or omnivore.

    A good looking body on the outside is not necessarily a healthy body on the inside. Bottom line - eat for health no matter which type of diet you choose.
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    Mar 07, 2012 7:44 PM GMT
    7Famark saidThere was a vegan episode of Cupcake Wars on the other day. . .those looked like the nastiest cupcakes I've ever seen in my life.


    Chloe won though, didn't she? Those cupcakes were amazing and having made vegan cupcakes for cafes and events in Sydney I can honestly say nobody has ever said mine were 'nasty'!

    I think it's a given that building muscle takes discipline, for everyone surely, not just vegans. I'm just wondering if there are any other vegans here? Though I guess there wouldn't be too many.

    I think it's hard to comment on being vegan if you're not one... Give it a try ;)



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    Mar 07, 2012 7:46 PM GMT
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    7Famark saidThere was a vegan episode of Cupcake Wars on the other day. . .those looked like the nastiest cupcakes I've ever seen in my life.


    Chloe won though, didn't she? Those cupcakes were amazing and having made vegan cupcakes for cafes and events in Sydney I can honestly say nobody has ever said mine were 'nasty'!

    I think it's a given that building muscle takes discipline, for everyone surely, not just vegans. I'm just wondering if there are any other vegans here? Though I guess there wouldn't be too many.

    I think it's hard to comment on being vegan if you're not one... Give it a try ;)





    Hmm I disagree with your logic there. I can comment on being a crack or heroine addict without trying it.

    Building muscle is already a very difficult thing to do, I guess a part of me just doesn't understand why someone would want to make it even more difficult.
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    Mar 07, 2012 7:46 PM GMT
    FredPDX saidHow many Vegans does it take to eat a double quarter pounder?

    One, but only if no one is looking.


    I realize that it is a joke...but....ewwwww. I'm not a vegan but I really can't see myself ever eating meat again. Contrary to what some meat eaters think, people do not typically become a vegetarian or vegan because of what other people think. They generally become one for personal reasons.
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    Mar 07, 2012 7:53 PM GMT
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    7Famark saidThere was a vegan episode of Cupcake Wars on the other day. . .those looked like the nastiest cupcakes I've ever seen in my life.


    Chloe won though, didn't she? Those cupcakes were amazing and having made vegan cupcakes for cafes and events in Sydney I can honestly say nobody has ever said mine were 'nasty'!

    I think it's a given that building muscle takes discipline, for everyone surely, not just vegans. I'm just wondering if there are any other vegans here? Though I guess there wouldn't be too many.

    I think it's hard to comment on being vegan if you're not one... Give it a try ;)



    I'm heading in the general Vegan direction - not sure if I'll get there or land somewhere fairly close. I'm reading "The China Study" now and just finished "The Complete Idiot's Guide to Plant Based Nutrition".

    It takes work, but I'm enjoying the switch to plant based immensely. Thanks for starting the thread.
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    Mar 07, 2012 7:54 PM GMT
    metta8 said
    FredPDX saidHow many Vegans does it take to eat a double quarter pounder?

    One, but only if no one is looking.


    I realize that it is a joke...but....ewwwww. I'm not a vegan but I really can't see myself ever eating meat again. Contrary to what some meat eaters think, people do not typically become a vegetarian or vegan because of what other people think. They generally become one for personal reasons.


    Because they think that not eating meat that has already been killed is going to make a difference?
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    Mar 07, 2012 8:04 PM GMT
    ^
    I can't speak for anyone else but after not eating it for over 20 years, to put it kindly, it does not appeal to me. I have no desire to eat meat. I don't miss it. I don't crave it. I don't need it. I don't want it.
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    Mar 07, 2012 8:24 PM GMT
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    I can't speak for anyone else but after not eating it for over 20 years, to put it kindly, it does not appeal to me. I have no desire to eat meat. I don't miss it. I don't crave it. I don't need it. I don't want it.

    This-
    Having had all sorts of funky dietary problems, I finally found a nutrition expert, removing gluten and meat changed everything. Say what you will, but never been healthier, more energetic, less cantankerous and my lover says I am kind of tasty.
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    Mar 07, 2012 9:23 PM GMT
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    7Famark saidThere was a vegan episode of Cupcake Wars on the other day. . .those looked like the nastiest cupcakes I've ever seen in my life.


    Chloe won though, didn't she? Those cupcakes were amazing and having made vegan cupcakes for cafes and events in Sydney I can honestly say nobody has ever said mine were 'nasty'!

    I think it's a given that building muscle takes discipline, for everyone surely, not just vegans. I'm just wondering if there are any other vegans here? Though I guess there wouldn't be too many.

    I think it's hard to comment on being vegan if you're not one... Give it a try ;)





    Hmm I disagree with your logic there. I can comment on being a crack or heroine addict without trying it.

    Building muscle is already a very difficult thing to do, I guess a part of me just doesn't understand why someone would want to make it even more difficult.


    No, you can't authentically comment on 'being' a crack addict, because you aren't one. You can comment on crack addiction as a idea or concept, but someone who has the addiction may take offence if you start talking about the difficulties of that addiction. Because you honestly don't know.

    And I suppose I don't actually think of it as more difficult. Really, my original post was to start a dialogue between other non-meat/vegan dieters to see what works best for them. In the same way that any 2 people building muscle may talk about their diet, I never said it was difficult, nor do I think it is. Since becoming vegan I feel healthier, more energised and the cost of my groceries has gone significantly down to boot.

    But something else I'd like to ask is if people use soy-based protein, if they use powder at all, I'm not sure if I should start including it in my diet.
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    Mar 07, 2012 9:24 PM GMT
    ^This isn't a vegan website, so I can say whatever I'd like to about it.

    And building muscle IS NOT an easy process even when you do not restrict your diet to certain groups of food, so I don't get how you can say that it isn't difficult . . .
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    Mar 07, 2012 9:26 PM GMT
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    metta8 said^
    I can't speak for anyone else but after not eating it for over 20 years, to put it kindly, it does not appeal to me. I have no desire to eat meat. I don't miss it. I don't crave it. I don't need it. I don't want it.

    This-
    Having had all sorts of funky dietary problems, I finally found a nutrition expert, removing gluten and meat changed everything. Say what you will, but never been healthier, more energetic, less cantankerous and my lover says I am kind of tasty.


    Yep, I had quite a few problems that cleared right up when I went vegan. Also, oddly, my concentration started to change, I used to be so fidgety when performing, now I can focus!

    Out of interest, do you eat dairy? You've cut out meat and gluten, but I'm just curious. I suppose it is nutritional for you, not ethical? Not that there's anything wrong with that! lol
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    Mar 07, 2012 9:28 PM GMT
    7Famark said^This isn't a vegan website, so I can say whatever I'd like to about it.

    And building muscle IS NOT an easy process, so I don't get how you can say that it isn't difficult . . .


    Sorry, I should have specified, being vegan isn't difficult. Building muscle certainly is! And yep, you can say what you want
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    Mar 07, 2012 9:29 PM GMT
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    7Famark said^This isn't a vegan website, so I can say whatever I'd like to about it.

    And building muscle IS NOT an easy process, so I don't get how you can say that it isn't difficult . . .


    Sorry, I should have specified, being vegan isn't difficult. Building muscle certainly is! And yep, you can say what you want


    Did I ever say that being a vegan was difficult? No.

    What I DID say, however, was that building muscle is a difficult process - so adding in dietary restrictions (like being a vegan) would, naturally, make the process a little more difficult.
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    Mar 07, 2012 9:32 PM GMT
    I apologise, I didn't mean to start an argument of semantics. I'm just looking for some like minded individuals.
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    Mar 07, 2012 10:45 PM GMT
    I slowly and unintentionally transitioned to being full vegan. For the past 2 years the only time I had eaten meat was when we went out to restaurants.

    I do supplement ( I think it's hard to get everything from your diet no matter what label you fit)
    I don't believe a 100% vegan diet is right for everyone's body. We are all different. I know that proper diegestion is key: combining the right foods and eating food in the proper order throughout the day.
    I feel amazing, my skin is clearer, way more energy! I have lost some size ( I account that to not eating/training consistently enough all the time, moving to another city, and going through a tough breakup) but weight wise I'm pretty much the same.

    Go on veganbodybuilding.com there are hundreds of people who have achieved amazing results.

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    Mar 07, 2012 10:57 PM GMT
    So I am 90% vegan. Occasionally, I will cook with butter or I may have "real" cheese instead of cheeze. Personally, I love my lifestyle and it works for me. I have tried the soy protein and hemp protein during my workout journey. I think the hemp digested better, but I feel the actual soy protein mixed better in a mix. I couldn't tell you which is better (I have digestion issues so it is usually hemp for me). If you are blending smoothies that isn't an issue, but if you are just "shaking and going" the soy works.

    I think you just need to find out how many beans (cup), tofu, lentils, etc equals the amount of protein, fat, and carbs for your diet. Get a menu (or prepare the food then freeze for easy access). I found it was easier to manage my vegan diet and working out when I limit protein shakes to after my workout/ use black espresso for my pre workout and then just have a balanced meal waiting for you when you get home (eating within 30 mins).

    I would stick with it because it is a life change. I have been vegetarian for over 12 years (a year vegan in there 5 years ago and heading there now). I still get my vegan goodies like mac n cheeze, vegan cupcakes, soups, "ribs," etc. Have fun with it.

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    Mar 08, 2012 8:28 AM GMT
    Great, thanks for sharing guys. I suppose this is the beginning of my training year so I've only just started eating more food in an effort to build mass. I think soy protein supplements will be inevitable as I get more focused with my program, at the moment I'm still trying to lower my body fat percentage and keep my metabolism high during the day. Small dishes of complex carbs mixed with vegie snacks and cardio.

    I haven't heard of having black coffee pre workout is that a common thing for everyone?

    I do agree that a vegan diet is perhaps not for everyone, all our digestive systems are different, but it works for me and I feel a lot better for it. That being said, no one could turn down a vegan cupcake or at least none that I've offered ;)

    Anther questions I suppose: To avoid stacking on the carbs what do you use to fill out dishes, I try and avoid heavy intakes of pasta, rice, bread. I do love my meat substitutes but they can be expensive. Have to make my own lentil burgers more often....
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    Mar 08, 2012 7:25 PM GMT
    Instead of rice etc use higher protein grains like quinoa (I think it tastes like dust, but some people enjoy it) and lentils, split peas etc.