Rep. Dennis Kucinich suffers primary defeat in Ohio

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    Mar 07, 2012 7:31 AM GMT
    Pretty remarkable. Also reinforcing the fact that even the Democrats don't seem to be moving to the left.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/kucinich-faces-uphill-battle-for-redistricted-seat/2012/03/05/gIQA6MFrvR_story.html

    Rep. Dennis J. Kucinich (D-Ohio), the two-time presidential candidate and icon of the antiwar left, suffered a bruising primary defeat Tuesday as a new Republican-drawn congressional map threatened to end the career of one of the most colorful figures in Congress.

    With most attention focused on the state’s GOP presidential primary battle, and no Democratic primary for president, Kucinich was left in a low-turnout race in a newly drawn district against his once-close ally, Rep. Marcy Kaptur (D-Ohio).

    With about 90 percent of the vote in, Kaptur led 60 to 36 percent.
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    riddler78 saidPretty remarkable. Also reinforcing the fact that even the Democrats don't seem to be moving to the left.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/kucinich-faces-uphill-battle-for-redistricted-seat/2012/03/05/gIQA6MFrvR_story.html

    Rep. Dennis J. Kucinich (D-Ohio), the two-time presidential candidate and icon of the antiwar left, suffered a bruising primary defeat Tuesday as a new Republican-drawn congressional map threatened to end the career of one of the most colorful figures in Congress.

    With most attention focused on the state’s GOP presidential primary battle, and no Democratic primary for president, Kucinich was left in a low-turnout race in a newly drawn district against his once-close ally, Rep. Marcy Kaptur (D-Ohio).

    With about 90 percent of the vote in, Kaptur led 60 to 36 percent.


    Do you know who she will running against in the general?
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    Mar 07, 2012 9:36 AM GMT
    Again, riddler proves his complete lack of knowledge about US politics, while also subtly approving of gerrymandering.
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    Mar 07, 2012 1:48 PM GMT
    Christian73 saidAgain, riddler proves his complete lack of knowledge about US politics, while also subtly approving of gerrymandering.


    As bad as gerrymandering can be - which is done on both sides, as you apparently didn't know, a left wing extremist lost to someone considerably more moderate which in the very least suggests that your view that Occupy is moving the conversation left is in the very least suspect and that the Democrats by definition have moved to the right.
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    Mar 07, 2012 1:51 PM GMT
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/03/07/msnbc_hosts_grieve_over_kucinich_loss_in_ohio.html

    MSNBC Hosts Grieve Over Kucinich Loss In Ohio

    "That's amazing," a shocked Rachel Maddow reacted to the news that Dennis Kucinich lost his primary race on Super Tuesday. Kucinich lost his district after Ohio redrew their Congressional lines, leaving him to run in a nearby district against an incumbent Democrat.

    "That means that there's not going to be a Dennis Kucinich in Congress anymore, which is almost hard to believe. He has been a singular force for his, not only for his ideological position but he's just been such a character," Maddow lamented.

    "He was the dependable guy with the progressive community. He'll be missed," Al Sharpton said.

    "He's a guy that you could always count on when it came to a universal healthcare conversation, or when it came to getting out of Iraq and Afghanistan and also middle-class issues and also he was good on labor," Ed Schultz said.

    Kucinich wasn't just popular with the MSNBC crowd as Chris Matthews will note.

    "Dennis is very popular in these circles, in media circles. We all know him," the "Hardball" host revealed.
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    Mar 07, 2012 2:05 PM GMT
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    Christian73 saidAgain, riddler proves his complete lack of knowledge about US politics, while also subtly approving of gerrymandering.


    As bad as gerrymandering can be - which is done on both sides, as you apparently didn't know, a left wing extremist lost to someone considerably more moderate which in the very least suggests that your view that Occupy is moving the conversation left is in the very least suspect and that the Democrats by definition have moved to the right.


    Kucinich is hardly a "left wing extremist" and there's barely any sunlight between him and Kaptur in terms of ideology. As I said, you don't know what you're talking about and are bluffing because Kucinich is a bogeyman of the right. Further, one primary does not challenge the overall shift in the national dialogue. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Mar 07, 2012 2:27 PM GMT
    Christian73 saidAgain, riddler proves his complete lack of knowledge about US politics, while also subtly approving of gerrymandering.

    Apparently he doesn't know any right-wing groups in Canada to relay their comments here about his own country. Or maybe their incentives aren't good enough.

    Kucinich lost because he had to oppose another Democratic incumbent Member of Congress in her own district. Kucinich had little of his own voter base remaining, and apparently the voters in Kaptur's district were satisfied with her performance, no doubt feeling that she knew those constituents best.

    This may have proven nothing about political ideologies, and moving to the left or not, but more about the insidious way Ohio Republicans used redistricting to deprive voters of a popular long-term incumbent Democrat without a fair election. And no, Democrats do not use this method with equal frequency.

    riddler must have forgotten that the downfall of former Republican House Majority Leader Tom Delay was partly as a result of his improper involvement with State voter redistricting by Texas Republicans, to likewise eliminate Democratic seats and dilute the votes of Hispanics.

    Republicans use this undemocratic tool against their political opponents far more aggressively and arbitrarily than Democrats do. Of course in the case of Texas, their State school board has declared text books may no longer say that the United States is a democracy at all. And in Texas, it stopped being one years ago. icon_razz.gif
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    Christian73 saidAgain, riddler proves his complete lack of knowledge about US politics, while also subtly approving of gerrymandering.

    Apparently he doesn't know any right-wing groups in Canada to relay their comments here about his own country. Or maybe their incentives aren't good enough.

    Kucinich lost because he had to oppose another Democratic incumbent Member of Congress in her own district. Kucinich had little of his own voter base remaining, and apparently the voters in Kaptur's district were satisfied with her performance, no doubt feeling that she knew those constituents best.

    This may have proven nothing about political ideologies, but more about the insidious way Ohio Republicans used redistricting to deprive voters of a popular long-term incumbent Democrat without a fair election. And no, Democrats do not use this method with equal frequency.

    riddler must have forgotten that the downfall of former Republican House Majority Leader Tom Delay was partly as a result of his improper involvement with State voter redistricting by Texas Republicans, to likewise eliminate Democratic seats and dilute the votes of Hispanics.

    Republicans use this undemocratic tool against their political opponents far more aggressively and arbitrarily than Democrats do. Of course in the case of Texas, their State school board has declared text books may no longer say that the United States is a democracy at all. And in Texas, it stopped being one years ago. icon_razz.gif


    Bob, do you have any idea how much population we've lost out of that part of Ohio in the last 10 or 20 years?
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    Mar 07, 2012 2:33 PM GMT
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    Christian73 saidAgain, riddler proves his complete lack of knowledge about US politics, while also subtly approving of gerrymandering.


    As bad as gerrymandering can be - which is done on both sides, as you apparently didn't know, a left wing extremist lost to someone considerably more moderate which in the very least suggests that your view that Occupy is moving the conversation left is in the very least suspect and that the Democrats by definition have moved to the right.


    Kucinich is hardly a "left wing extremist" and there's barely any sunlight between him and Kaptur in terms of ideology. As I said, you don't know what you're talking about and are bluffing because Kucinich is a bogeyman of the right. Further, one primary does not challenge the overall shift in the national dialogue. icon_rolleyes.gif


    Yes Christian you must be right despite the articles to the contrary icon_rolleyes.gif . No one primary would not change the overall shift in national dialogue but it's certainly not evidence that the national dialogue has even shifted. If anything the upcoming race between her and "joe the plumber" will be one to watch - and if anything it is the tea partiers and their campaigns which have actually made a difference on issues like entitlement spending and reduced the appetite considerably for additional stimulus.
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    Mar 07, 2012 2:45 PM GMT
    And her opponent. This will be interesting to watch …. a blue collar redneck with no political experience takes on the most tenured female member of the house.

    I don’t mean that as a pejorative either. Maybe I should say good old boy.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/07/joe-the-plumber-wins_n_1325738.html
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    freedomisntfree saidAnd her opponent. This will be interesting to watch …. a blue collar redneck with no political experience takes on the most tenured female member of the house.

    I don’t mean that as a pejorative either. Maybe I should say good old boy.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/07/joe-the-plumber-wins_n_1325738.html

    Kaptur is in her 15th Congressional term, senior to Kucinich at 8 terms. Joe the Plumber is barely articulate and has no governmental or legislative knowledge & experience whatsoever. He's therefore a natural candidate for the Teabaggers, but current estimates are that he still won't win in that district.

    You are correct in your earlier post, Ohio lost 2 Congressional seats in the 2010 census. But it's the manner of the redistricting that is at question. Republicans jerrymandered to eliminate or disadvantage formerly Democratic-leaning districts.
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    freedomisntfree saidAnd her opponent. This will be interesting to watch …. a blue collar redneck with no political experience takes on the most tenured female member of the house.

    I don’t mean that as a pejorative either. Maybe I should say good old boy.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/07/joe-the-plumber-wins_n_1325738.html

    Kaptur is in her 15th Congressional term, senior to Kucinich at 8 terms. Joe the Plumber is barely articulate and has no governmental or legislative knowledge & experience whatsoever. He's therefore a natural candidate for the Teabaggers, but current estimates are that he still won't win in that district.

    You are correct in your earlier post, Ohio lost 2 Congressional seats in the 2010 census. But it's the manner of the redistricting that is at question. Republicans jerrymandered to eliminate or disadvantage formerly Democratic-leaning districts.


    "Joe the Plumber is barely articulate"

    Listen to him though. He doesn't sound bad given where he's coming from. And this is kind of the American dream though .... that one can rise from almost any sort of background to be 1 of 435.

    "has no governmental or legislative knowledge & experience whatsoever"

    No question about this. Maybe he should have started with the school board or city council.
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    Mar 07, 2012 3:38 PM GMT
    Joe the Plumber got this far so, who knows, he may just win.
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    CuriousJockAZ saidJoe the Plumber got this far so, who knows, he may just win.


    He is a small business owner so his plight probably resonates well up in that part of the state. Northern Ohio has struggled for decades. Columbus and Central Ohio plus some of 'burbs north of Cincinnati are the only areas in the state that have done well.
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    Mar 07, 2012 3:54 PM GMT
    JPtheBITCH saidThese are the kinds of issues that really demonstrate why Riddler doesn't know what he's talking about.

    If ours were a parliamentary system, there might be kind of a point here. But since each candidate here, although a party member, is essentially an independent contractor, ideology matters a great deal less than other things.

    The facts are: the district was redrawn to include approximately 75% of Kaptur's former district and about 25% of Kucinich's. His old district was split up and distributed among three other districts. Fact is, these voters know her, like her, and she's been extraordinarily responsive to their constituent issues, which a lot of other representatives aren't quite as conscientious about.

    So she'd have won this thing even if there were pictures of her on the Internet showing her fucking Hugo Chavez.

    Oh, and Todd? This district is about 65% Democratic and 20% independent. Good luck with that Joe the Plumber thing.

    Riddler is such a moron.


    It's actually +10 for D

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cook_Partisan_Voting_Index
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    freedomisntfree saidAnd her opponent. This will be interesting to watch …. a blue collar redneck with no political experience takes on the most tenured female member of the house.

    I don’t mean that as a pejorative either. Maybe I should say good old boy.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/07/joe-the-plumber-wins_n_1325738.html

    Kaptur is in her 15th Congressional term, senior to Kucinich at 8 terms. Joe the Plumber is barely articulate and has no governmental or legislative knowledge & experience whatsoever.


    He sounds articulate to me. As far as I'm concerned, his lack of government and legislative experience is his biggest plus.

    Career politicians have accomplished nothing for the average person. The status of the middle class has been in decline for thirty years. If your biggest claim to fame is having been in D.C. for the past thirty years, you are part of problem.

    I do think Marcy has been a decent representative, but everybody in D.C. needs a run for their money, in my opinion. Let her prove what she is doing for the working class.

    Vote all the bums out!
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    Mar 07, 2012 8:22 PM GMT
    JPtheBITCH said
    southbeach1500 said
    riddler78 said
    MSNBC Hosts Grieve Over Kucinich Loss In Ohio

    Kucinich wasn't just popular with the MSNBC crowd as Chris Matthews will note.

    "Dennis is very popular in these circles, in media circles. We all know him," the "Hardball" host revealed
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    So much for a fair, non-partisan Washington media crowd. icon_rolleyes.gif

    Are you troubled by the fact that someone in the media would personally like a politician? I seem to recall many media people saying how much they enjoyed Bush on a personal level, and the media used to regularly swoon over John McCain before he turned into an elderly Mean Girl.


    How about to prevent gerrymandering we having him represent the media, a "congressman at large"

    The district was eliminated because there are less people in the state.
    Should we go into gerrymandering and creating safe districts? It happens in both parties. But simply if the state has less people it loses a seat.

    Who in the media is stating that Dennis is a victim of gerrymandering?
    I will miss Dennis, a little history last year he moved for Impeachment of Obama for actions in Libya.
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    Mar 07, 2012 9:30 PM GMT
    JPtheBITCH saidThese are the kinds of issues that really demonstrate why Riddler doesn't know what he's talking about.

    If ours were a parliamentary system, there might be kind of a point here. But since each candidate here, although a party member, is essentially an independent contractor, ideology matters a great deal less than other things.

    The facts are: the district was redrawn to include approximately 75% of Kaptur's former district and about 25% of Kucinich's. His old district was split up and distributed among three other districts. Fact is, these voters know her, like her, and she's been extraordinarily responsive to their constituent issues, which a lot of other representatives aren't quite as conscientious about.

    So she'd have won this thing even if there were pictures of her on the Internet showing her fucking Hugo Chavez.

    Oh, and Todd? This district is about 65% Democratic and 20% independent. Good luck with that Joe the Plumber thing.

    Riddler is such a moron.


    Thanks for saving me the trouble of handing Riddler his ass. xoxo
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    Mar 07, 2012 9:44 PM GMT
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    Art_Deco said
    freedomisntfree saidAnd her opponent. This will be interesting to watch …. a blue collar redneck with no political experience takes on the most tenured female member of the house.

    I don’t mean that as a pejorative either. Maybe I should say good old boy.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/07/joe-the-plumber-wins_n_1325738.html

    Kaptur is in her 15th Congressional term, senior to Kucinich at 8 terms. Joe the Plumber is barely articulate and has no governmental or legislative knowledge & experience whatsoever.


    He sounds articulate to me. As far as I'm concerned, his lack of government and legislative experience is his biggest plus.

    Career politicians have accomplished nothing for the average person. The status of the middle class has been in decline for thirty years. If your biggest claim to fame is having been in D.C. for the past thirty years, you are part of problem.

    I do think Marcy has been a decent representative, but everybody in D.C. needs a run for their money, in my opinion. Let her prove what she is doing for the working class.

    Vote all the bums out!


    And he may well ride a wave just like that.

    "He sounds articulate to me. As far as I'm concerned, his lack of government and legislative experience is his biggest plus"

    Yeah, I mean considering where he's come from, I think he acquitted himself quite well.
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    Mar 09, 2012 5:46 PM GMT
    I'm sorry to see Dennis Kucinich lose his primary. He's a socialist lunatic on economics but a much needed critic of Empire and its abuses.
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    Mar 09, 2012 8:19 PM GMT
    He is a douche.

    I heard he lost because he didnt parade his hot wife around enough.
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    Christian73 said
    JPtheBITCH saidThese are the kinds of issues that really demonstrate why Riddler doesn't know what he's talking about.

    If ours were a parliamentary system, there might be kind of a point here. But since each candidate here, although a party member, is essentially an independent contractor, ideology matters a great deal less than other things.

    The facts are: the district was redrawn to include approximately 75% of Kaptur's former district and about 25% of Kucinich's. His old district was split up and distributed among three other districts. Fact is, these voters know her, like her, and she's been extraordinarily responsive to their constituent issues, which a lot of other representatives aren't quite as conscientious about.

    So she'd have won this thing even if there were pictures of her on the Internet showing her fucking Hugo Chavez.

    Oh, and Todd? This district is about 65% Democratic and 20% independent. Good luck with that Joe the Plumber thing.

    Riddler is such a moron.


    Thanks for saving me the trouble of handing Riddler his ass. xoxo

    I have democrat friends that live in this chick's district and they have said she is far loonier than Kucinich could ever imagine being.
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    JPtheBITCH saidThese are the kinds of issues that really demonstrate why Riddler doesn't know what he's talking about.

    If ours were a parliamentary system, there might be kind of a point here. But since each candidate here, although a party member, is essentially an independent contractor, ideology matters a great deal less than other things.

    The facts are: the district was redrawn to include approximately 75% of Kaptur's former district and about 25% of Kucinich's. His old district was split up and distributed among three other districts. Fact is, these voters know her, like her, and she's been extraordinarily responsive to their constituent issues, which a lot of other representatives aren't quite as conscientious about.

    So she'd have won this thing even if there were pictures of her on the Internet showing her fucking Hugo Chavez.

    Oh, and Todd? This district is about 65% Democratic and 20% independent. Good luck with that Joe the Plumber thing.

    Riddler is such a moron.


    Thanks for saving me the trouble of handing Riddler his ass. xoxo

    I have democrat friends that live in this chick's district and they have said she is far loonier than Kucinich could ever imagine being.




    LOL

    FYI - the crazy loon who's running for that seat is the anti-gay Tea Party nutbag Joe the Plumber!
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    JPtheBITCH saidThese are the kinds of issues that really demonstrate why Riddler doesn't know what he's talking about.

    If ours were a parliamentary system, there might be kind of a point here. But since each candidate here, although a party member, is essentially an independent contractor, ideology matters a great deal less than other things.

    The facts are: the district was redrawn to include approximately 75% of Kaptur's former district and about 25% of Kucinich's. His old district was split up and distributed among three other districts. Fact is, these voters know her, like her, and she's been extraordinarily responsive to their constituent issues, which a lot of other representatives aren't quite as conscientious about.

    So she'd have won this thing even if there were pictures of her on the Internet showing her fucking Hugo Chavez.

    Oh, and Todd? This district is about 65% Democratic and 20% independent. Good luck with that Joe the Plumber thing.

    Riddler is such a moron.


    Thanks for saving me the trouble of handing Riddler his ass. xoxo


    Oh your pathological delusions - there just aren't enough hours in a day to consider them all. What a surprise you agree with the bitter fool. Who said anything about it being a delegate versus representative model? The fact that they didn't choose Kucinich over Kaptur when it was so bitterly fought suggests that it wasn't nearly as cut and dried as either of you suggest - but again, I don't really care what you think given how consistently you two are wrong. If there were any money in it, one could make a fortune betting on how out of touch the both of you are. icon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gif
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    Christian73 said
    JPtheBITCH saidThese are the kinds of issues that really demonstrate why Riddler doesn't know what he's talking about.

    If ours were a parliamentary system, there might be kind of a point here. But since each candidate here, although a party member, is essentially an independent contractor, ideology matters a great deal less than other things.

    The facts are: the district was redrawn to include approximately 75% of Kaptur's former district and about 25% of Kucinich's. His old district was split up and distributed among three other districts. Fact is, these voters know her, like her, and she's been extraordinarily responsive to their constituent issues, which a lot of other representatives aren't quite as conscientious about.

    So she'd have won this thing even if there were pictures of her on the Internet showing her fucking Hugo Chavez.

    Oh, and Todd? This district is about 65% Democratic and 20% independent. Good luck with that Joe the Plumber thing.

    Riddler is such a moron.


    Thanks for saving me the trouble of handing Riddler his ass. xoxo


    Oh your pathological delusions - there just aren't enough hours in a day to consider them all. What a surprise you agree with the bitter fool. Who said anything about it being a delegate versus representative model? The fact that they didn't choose Kucinich over Kaptur when it was so bitterly fought suggests that it wasn't nearly as cut and dried as either of you suggest - but again, I don't really care what you think given how consistently you two are wrong. If there were any money in it, one could make a fortune betting on how out of touch the both of you are. icon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gif


    I'm am SO enjoying watching you and Socal dissemble in your attempts to pretend that conservative economic policies aren't failing in every country that tries them, that the Republican Party isn't imploding and driving away women and independents in droves, and basically setting the stage for a repeat of the 2008 election.

    Please keep talking. Maybe start a blog. icon_lol.gif