Wisconsin Voter ID Law Ruled Unconstitutional

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    Mar 07, 2012 9:44 AM GMT
    It looks like Scotty Walker's attempts to suppress the vote are failing.

    Steven Rosenfeld/AlternetA Wisconsin judge has suspended the state's voter ID law, saying it was "the single most restrictive voter eligibility law" in the country and finding that it violated the state's Constitution that explicitly gave the right to vote to all residents who are 18 years old or older.

    Dane County Circuit Court Judge David Flanagan cited studies finding that there were more than 200,000 Wisconsin residents who lacked a state-issued photo ID but were otherwise eligible to vote. That figure does not include former felons or non-citizens resident in the state.

    Flanagan said the state's new voter ID law required people who lacked government photo ID to spend money to acquire the necessary documents -- such as birth certificates. He called that "a real cost that is imposed on constitutionally eligible voters," adding that was especially "burdensome" for the elderly and disabled.

    He said the ID requirement fell disproportionately on elderly people, people of color and poor people, and said claims that the voting process needed to be policed to prevent voter impersonation -- or fraudulent voting -- were overblown and "extremely unlikely."

    As such, he said the law was overreaching and inflexible and, in light of the state Constitution's explicit creation of voting rights, unconstitutional.

    The voter ID law was proposed and shepherded through the Legislature by the body's Republican leadership. Wisconsin Attorney General J.B. Van Hollen aid the state would likely appeal.

    What is perhaps most notable in the ruling--which means the voter ID law will not be effect for the state's upcoming presidential primary and local elections on April 3, is that Judge Flanagan focused on the eligibility criteria for voters, not whether they happen to have a particular form of photo ID.

    Nowhere in the state's Constitution does it require eligible voters to present a state-issued photo ID--a fact voter ID supporters like to omit.


    http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews/article/825795/wisconsin_voter_id_law_ruled_unconstitutional/#paragraph3
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    Mar 07, 2012 9:51 AM GMT
    They should consider changes along the lines of the Georgia law, which included teams to go to homes, if more convenient, and provide them at no cost. (I know, that isn't the real reason Democrats object, however. icon_lol.gif )

    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/261537/georgia-voter-id-law-upheld-hans-von-spakovsky
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    Mar 07, 2012 9:55 AM GMT
    socalfitness saidThey should consider changes along the lines of the Georgia law, which included teams to go to homes, if more convenient, and provide them at no cost. (I know, that isn't the real reason Democrats object, however. icon_lol.gif )

    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/261537/georgia-voter-id-law-upheld-hans-von-spakovsky


    You're right. We object because it's unconstitutional - as the judge points out. Very simple.
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    Mar 07, 2012 3:28 PM GMT
    That is BS. Will be overruled by the Wis. Supreme Court.
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    Mar 07, 2012 6:20 PM GMT
    Uh oh - isn't it surprising that our resident grouch and a left wing extremist want to make it easier to cheat on elections?

    http://www.jsonline.com/watchdog/noquarter/flanagan-earlier-signed-walker-recall-petition-oa4febu-141695303.html

    Nearly four months before he signed off on the poorly edited order granting a temporary injunction against Wisconsin's new voter identification law, Dane County Circuit Judge David Flanagan scribbled his name on another important legal document:

    A petition urging the recall of Republican Gov. Scott Walker.
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    Mar 07, 2012 6:25 PM GMT
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    riddler78 saidUh oh - isn't it surprising that our resident grouch and a left wing extremist want to make it easier to cheat on elections?

    http://www.jsonline.com/watchdog/noquarter/flanagan-earlier-signed-walker-recall-petition-oa4febu-141695303.html

    Nearly four months before he signed off on the poorly edited order granting a temporary injunction against Wisconsin's new voter identification law, Dane County Circuit Judge David Flanagan scribbled his name on another important legal document:

    A petition urging the recall of Republican Gov. Scott Walker.

    Isn't it surprising that our resident brain-dead foreigner would like to see us violate the laws of our own country because it amuses him? Not that he'd have to deal with the consequences, being a foreigner and all.


    Oh the village idiot speaks again. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    riddler78 saidUh oh - isn't it surprising that our resident grouch and a left wing extremist want to make it easier to cheat on elections?

    http://www.jsonline.com/watchdog/noquarter/flanagan-earlier-signed-walker-recall-petition-oa4febu-141695303.html

    Nearly four months before he signed off on the poorly edited order granting a temporary injunction against Wisconsin's new voter identification law, Dane County Circuit Judge David Flanagan scribbled his name on another important legal document:

    A petition urging the recall of Republican Gov. Scott Walker.

    Isn't it surprising that our resident brain-dead foreigner would like to see us violate the laws of our own country because it amuses him? Not that he'd have to deal with the consequences, being a foreigner and all.


    How is verifying someone's authenticity "violating" our laws or constitution? Voting is something someone goes out of their way to do. It's not like people are being stopped randomly and asked for proof of who they are. Voting fraud is real and it needs to be checked.
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    Mar 07, 2012 8:18 PM GMT
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    riddler78 said
    JPtheBITCH saidIsn't it surprising that our resident brain-dead foreigner would like to see us violate the laws of our own country because it amuses him? Not that he'd have to deal with the consequences, being a foreigner and all.

    Oh the village idiot speaks again. icon_rolleyes.gif

    Yes, you did.

    LOL! And whose village? Not in this country, he isn't. What the F*** do US voter registration laws have to do with a Canadian? He's the village idiot because he doesn't even know in what village he's living.
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    Mar 07, 2012 8:36 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie saidHow is verifying someone's authenticity "violating" our laws or constitution? Voting is something someone goes out of their way to do. It's not like people are being stopped randomly and asked for proof of who they are. Voting fraud is real and it needs to be checked.

    Please provide examples of proven widespread voter fraud that warrant millions of people in multiple States being subjected to onerous voter validation requirements, that disadvantage mostly senior citizens and minorities. This country has run for a couple hundred years without such requirements, voting being a Constitutional right.

    But I'll help you. How about the Indiana Republican Secretary of State, Charlie White, responsible for upholding voter registration integrity, who was himself convicted last month of committing 6 counts of felony voter fraud?

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/nationnow/2012/02/indiana-secretary-of-state-convicted-of-6-voter-fraud-charges.html

    Gee, it seems the most high profile case of voter fraud involved a Republican official. Should ALL Republican officials now be subjected to special voter registration checks, just like infirm old ladies, Hispanics & Blacks as Republicans propose?
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    Mar 07, 2012 9:34 PM GMT
    socalfitness saidThey should consider changes along the lines of the Georgia law, which included teams to go to homes, if more convenient, and provide them at no cost. (I know, that isn't the real reason Democrats object, however. icon_lol.gif )

    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/261537/georgia-voter-id-law-upheld-hans-von-spakovsky

    Ignored because the solution not palatable to Democrats.
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    Mar 07, 2012 9:41 PM GMT
    socalfitness said
    socalfitness saidThey should consider changes along the lines of the Georgia law, which included teams to go to homes, if more convenient, and provide them at no cost. (I know, that isn't the real reason Democrats object, however. icon_lol.gif )

    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/261537/georgia-voter-id-law-upheld-hans-von-spakovsky

    Ignored because the solution not palatable to Democrats.


    No. Because it's irrelevant. Voting fraud is not a problem in the US and has never been. If anything, the election shenanigans have been a) on the Republican side (thank you, Ken Blackwell) and b) done via electronic voting machines, not people casting fraudulent ballots.
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    JPtheBITCH said
    riddler78 saidUh oh - isn't it surprising that our resident grouch and a left wing extremist want to make it easier to cheat on elections?

    http://www.jsonline.com/watchdog/noquarter/flanagan-earlier-signed-walker-recall-petition-oa4febu-141695303.html

    Nearly four months before he signed off on the poorly edited order granting a temporary injunction against Wisconsin's new voter identification law, Dane County Circuit Judge David Flanagan scribbled his name on another important legal document:

    A petition urging the recall of Republican Gov. Scott Walker.

    Isn't it surprising that our resident brain-dead foreigner would like to see us violate the laws of our own country because it amuses him? Not that he'd have to deal with the consequences, being a foreigner and all.


    How is verifying someone's authenticity "violating" our laws or constitution? Voting is something someone goes out of their way to do. It's not like people are being stopped randomly and asked for proof of who they are. Voting fraud is real and it needs to be checked.
    You tea party types cant have it both ways.. either live by that constitution verbatim or bullshit your way out of it.icon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gif
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    Mar 07, 2012 11:10 PM GMT
    Democratic Voting Strategy:

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    Mar 07, 2012 11:30 PM GMT
    Strange that we have this Phantom Voter Fraud problem only where there are republican governors ..... maybe we should like get rid of the republican governors and the problem will be solved .... Doy?


    Meanwhile in the neighboring state of Indiana we had a Sec of State convicted of the very same thing .... icon_confused.gif

    Indiana Secretary of State Charlie White -- the man charged with upholding election integrity in Indiana -- was convicted of six felonies on Saturday, including three counts of voter fraud, two counts of perjury and one count of theft.
    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57372176-503544/indiana-sec-of-state-convicted-of-voter-fraud/

    I dunno ... but I don't think a picture on an ID woulda stopped this guy from doin what he did icon_neutral.gif
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    Mar 07, 2012 11:45 PM GMT
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    How is verifying someone's authenticity "violating" our laws or constitution? Voting is something someone goes out of their way to do. It's not like people are being stopped randomly and asked for proof of who they are. Voting fraud is real and it needs to be checked.

    Amendment 24: The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax.

    When you place any kind of financial burden on a citizen having to do with his ability to vote, you are violating the above amendment. Which is, being an actual amendment, part of the Constitution itself.




    IN OUR CONSTITUTION - but

    Ignored because the impact not palatable to Repubs.
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    Mar 07, 2012 11:51 PM GMT
    As others have said, voter fraud is a minuscule problem that does not warrant the enactment of a voter ID law. But if anyone wants to discuss voter fraud, how about Mitt Romney registering to vote using the address of his son's home.
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    Mar 08, 2012 12:31 AM GMT

    Simply put, the WI voter ID law was a solution looking for a problem.
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    Mar 08, 2012 12:35 AM GMT
    mke_bt said
    Simply put, the WI voter ID law was a solution looking for a problem.

    +1

    Unless you realize the problem for Republicans is too many potential Democratic voters being allowed access to the polls.
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    Mar 08, 2012 1:02 AM GMT
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    JPtheBITCH said
    mocktwinkie said
    How is verifying someone's authenticity "violating" our laws or constitution? Voting is something someone goes out of their way to do. It's not like people are being stopped randomly and asked for proof of who they are. Voting fraud is real and it needs to be checked.

    Amendment 24: The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax.

    When you place any kind of financial burden on a citizen having to do with his ability to vote, you are violating the above amendment. Which is, being an actual amendment, part of the Constitution itself.




    IN OUR CONSTITUTION - but

    Ignored because the impact not palatable to Repubs.


    And of course, you fail. No one's voting rights are being denied or abridged. It's simply about asking someone to show proof that they are who they are.

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    Mar 08, 2012 1:15 AM GMT
    Drivers' Licenses (or state non-driver ID cards) should be sufficient proof of identity.

    Or having the poll workers watch you countersign the book full of voter registration signatures (as is the practice in NY state) at your local polling place. Usually the poll workers are ancient salts for whom the Spanish-American War and knickerbocker pants were an early childhood memory, and they have a damned good idea of who belongs to their neighbourhood and ward.
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    Mar 08, 2012 1:24 AM GMT
    mke_bt said
    Simply put, the WI voter ID law was a solution looking for a problem.


    Well stated.
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    Mar 08, 2012 1:57 AM GMT
    mocktwinkie saidAnd of course, you fail. No one's voting rights are being denied or abridged. It's simply about asking someone to show proof that they are who they are.

    Not even worth discussing this. I pointed out the Georgia law, which had been modified to address the concern of the Democrats but they still fought it tooth and nail. They lie including in this thread to say fraud is not a problem. While it is true that there are relatively fewer cases of voter fraud versus voter registration fraud, because voter fraud is harder to catch, the abuses are clear. While criminal acts have been committed by members of both parties, the systematic abuses by the Democrats, or Democratic supporters, are well known. For example, if you google "ACORN voter fraud", there are significant results. The Democrats' clear goal is to sign up voters who are not qualified to vote, such as multiple times, having the dead vote, having animals vote. Their denials are nothing by lies. You can present them overwhelming evidence, and they still lie, blatantly, so there is no point in any discussion with these people.

    [url]http://dailycaller.com/2010/11/23/the-voter-fraud-hall-of-shame-milwaukee-voter-fraud-conviction-makes-acorn%E2%80%99s-2010-total-at-least-15/[/url]
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    mocktwinkie saidHow is verifying someone's authenticity "violating" our laws or constitution? Voting is something someone goes out of their way to do. It's not like people are being stopped randomly and asked for proof of who they are. Voting fraud is real and it needs to be checked.

    Please provide examples of proven widespread voter fraud that warrant millions of people in multiple States being subjected to onerous voter validation requirements, that disadvantage mostly senior citizens and minorities. This country has run for a couple hundred years without such requirements, voting being a Constitutional right.

    But I'll help you. How about the Indiana Republican Secretary of State, Charlie White, responsible for upholding voter registration integrity, who was himself convicted last month of committing 6 counts of felony voter fraud?

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/nationnow/2012/02/indiana-secretary-of-state-convicted-of-6-voter-fraud-charges.html

    Gee, it seems the most high profile case of voter fraud involved a Republican official. Should ALL Republican officials now be subjected to special voter registration checks, just like infirm old ladies, Hispanics & Blacks as Republicans propose?


    "Please provide examples of proven widespread voter fraud that warrant millions of people in multiple States being subjected to onerous voter validation requirements"

    1960? Since there's only about three of us ancient enough to remember.
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    Mar 08, 2012 2:04 AM GMT
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    mocktwinkie saidHow is verifying someone's authenticity "violating" our laws or constitution? Voting is something someone goes out of their way to do. It's not like people are being stopped randomly and asked for proof of who they are. Voting fraud is real and it needs to be checked.

    Please provide examples of proven widespread voter fraud that warrant millions of people in multiple States being subjected to onerous voter validation requirements, that disadvantage mostly senior citizens and minorities. This country has run for a couple hundred years without such requirements, voting being a Constitutional right.

    But I'll help you. How about the Indiana Republican Secretary of State, Charlie White, responsible for upholding voter registration integrity, who was himself convicted last month of committing 6 counts of felony voter fraud?

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/nationnow/2012/02/indiana-secretary-of-state-convicted-of-6-voter-fraud-charges.html

    Gee, it seems the most high profile case of voter fraud involved a Republican official. Should ALL Republican officials now be subjected to special voter registration checks, just like infirm old ladies, Hispanics & Blacks as Republicans propose?


    "Please provide examples of proven widespread voter fraud that warrant millions of people in multiple States being subjected to onerous voter validation requirements"

    1960? Since there's only about three of us ancient enough to remember.

    If you mean the Kennedy election of over 50 years ago then I'd have to say that's a rather delayed response. Surely you can provide us with a more "clear & present danger" of voter fraud, that this sudden rash of restrictive voter legislation is intended to remedy?

    And if you cite ACORN, disbanded now for years, that was a case of false entrapment, as is now recognized in retrospect. Whose purpose was to give Republicans this red herring, and which only continues to live-on as a right-wing myth.