School says Students’ Use of “USA USA” Chant is Racist

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    Mar 08, 2012 12:22 AM GMT
    [url]http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/school-says-“usa-usa”-chant-is-racist.html[/url]
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    A Texas school district has filed a complaint alleging that students from a rival school engaged in racism by chanting “USA, USA” at a basketball game. The students involved in the incident were reprimanded and forced to apologize.

    The San Antonio Independent School District filed the complaint with the University Interscholastic League, the governing body for athletics in Texas. They allege that students at Alamo Heights High School began chanting “USA, USA” after they defeated Edison High School to win a region basketball championship.

    Edison’s team is predominantly Hispanic, said Leslie Price, a spokesperson for the San Antonio ISD.

    “The implication as they are not American citizens,” Price told Fox News. “We understand competiveness and rivalry, but you need to choose your words and think about the meaning behind them.”

    Price said she believes the “USA, USA” chant was racially motivated.

    “It was chanted selectively at a school that is predominantly Hispanic and there was understanding of that,” she said.

    Price said the school district was bombarded with a number of people who found the “USA, USA” chant to be “very disrespectful.”

    “That might be chanted at international soccer games,” she said. “But this is not a chant that these students chant at all of their basketball games. It was selective.”

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    "Price said she believes the “USA, USA” chant was racially motivated.

    “It was chanted selectively at a school that is predominantly Hispanic and there was understanding of that,” she said."

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    Mar 08, 2012 12:38 AM GMT
    There you go again, Socal.

    You (and your fellow Repubs) just keep playing the race card.

    The politics of division is all you Repubs have got!

    It's a damning indictment of the current state of the Repub party that you Repubs have to stoop to playing the race card in a desperate attempt to try to win votes.

    But given the Repub party's record of failure in recent years - it's not surprising that you need to dredge this kind of stuff up out of the gutter.
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    RickRick91 saidThere you go again, Socal.

    You (and your fellow Repubs) just keep playing the race card.

    The politics of division is all you Repubs have got!

    It's a damning indictment of the current state of the Repub party that you Repubs have to stoop to playing the race card in a desperate attempt to try to win votes.

    But given the Repub party's record of failure in recent years - it's not surprising that you need to dredge this kind of stuff up out of the gutter.



    uh, Rickrick, I think freedomisntfree is a Republican, isn't he?

    In all fairness, Socal hasn't stated yet what he thinks about this article.

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    Mar 08, 2012 12:43 AM GMT
    Has anyone ever heard "USA!" chanted at a high school game within the United States? That's used, as the article notes, at international competitions against teams of another nation.

    The meaning here was crystal clear, that the other team members were foreigners, not Americans. Or why else would it be chanted? You shout your HS team name, never USA.
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    Mar 08, 2012 12:56 AM GMT
    I must have blocked whomever started this thread because I can't see the original article - I'm guessing either SoCal or mocktwinkie. Could someone repost so I know what it is about? Pretty please?

    To ArtDeco - I thought your reply to my e-mail a couple of days ago was inappropriate and out of nowhere. It actually made me more sad for you that you have gotten so much crap from people on RJ. icon_sad.gif As I said before, I hope you are doing well and wish the best of luck to you.

    With that said, I see what you're saying by your post here. Makes sense. Why would students chant "USA" to an American high school team? I think someone said that this other team was primarily hispanic - and therefore the "USA USA" could have been a way of telling them they were not American. If that was the case then that's pretty messed up. The group chanting "USA" must have all been republican icon_smile.gif.
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    RickRick91 saidThere you go again, Socal.

    You (and your fellow Repubs) just keep playing the race card.

    The politics of division is all you Repubs have got!

    It's a damning indictment of the current state of the Repub party that you Repubs have to stoop to playing the race card in a desperate attempt to try to win votes.

    But given the Repub party's record of failure in recent years - it's not surprising that you need to dredge this kind of stuff up out of the gutter.



    uh, Rickrick, I think freedomisntfree is a Republican, isn't he?

    In all fairness, Socal hasn't stated yet what he thinks about this article.





    In all fairness, Socal posted this thread.
    The incident described in this thread is racially divisive.
    Therefore he played the race card.

    That's just a simple fact.

    And I have no idea why you would bring up Freedomisntfree.
    What does he have to do with this thread?
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    RickRick91 saidThere you go again, Socal.

    You (and your fellow Repubs) just keep playing the race card.

    The politics of division is all you Repubs have got!

    It's a damning indictment of the current state of the Repub party that you Repubs have to stoop to playing the race card in a desperate attempt to try to win votes.

    But given the Repub party's record of failure in recent years - it's not surprising that you need to dredge this kind of stuff up out of the gutter.

    Totally delusional. Race card often played by Democrats. Save you the trouble of responding that it is always legitimate when done by the left, but never legitimate when done by the right. That is the case in your simplistic world, right?

    Your cognitive abilities are also grossly deficient. As MIL stated, I did not comment on the article, so I played no race card. Thought it would be of interest to the adults here.

    There was another subtlety that MIL obviously noticed that went over your head. I did not post the entire article, but specifically included the challenge to their chanting in what I included, and did not try to obscure that by leaving it not quoted. While it would have been noted anyway, it did indicate that my intent was to ensure the point was well known.
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    Mar 08, 2012 1:55 AM GMT
    Lol.

    PCFAGS are mad because according to the Central Liberal Dogma:

    "All Whiteys are ALWAYS rayciss".

    Always, and without exception.



    It almost seems as if this Price character was fishing for notoriety and looking for butthurt from some group of kids shouting the USA chant.

    Big whoop. If it were really a race/hate crime ... there should be a little bit of a higher bar than chanting a lame chant.
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    mlitsonata saidI must have blocked whomever started this thread because I can't see the original article - I'm guessing either SoCal or mocktwinkie. Could someone repost so I know what it is about? Pretty please?

    To ArtDeco - I thought your reply to my e-mail a couple of days ago was inappropriate and out of nowhere. It actually made me more sad for you that you have gotten so much crap from people on RJ. icon_sad.gif As I said before, I hope you are doing well and wish the best of luck to you.

    With that said, I see what you're saying by your post here. Makes sense. Why would students chant "USA" to an American high school team? I think someone said that this other team was primarily hispanic - and therefore the "USA USA" could have been a way of telling them they were not American. If that was the case then that's pretty messed up. The group chanting "USA" must have all been republican icon_smile.gif.


    "I must have blocked whomever started this thread because I can't see the original article "

    Well, Jesus Christ then unblock them.
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    AlphaTrigger saidLol.

    PCFAGS are mad because according to the Central Liberal Dogma:

    "All Whiteys are ALWAYS rayciss".

    Always, and without exception.





    Bullshit
    FYI many many progressives ARE "whiteys".

    If you think that progressives believe that all white people are racist (and all non-whites aren't) - then you believe a bullshit right-wing talking point.

    Which is disappointing.
    I thought that you knew better than to believe bogus and extreme propaganda like that.

    And this is NOT an issue of political correctness.
    This a clear attempt to inject RACE into the political discussion to try to divide voters in an election year.
    THAT is why it was reported by the Fox propaganda channel.
    That's why it was posted here by Socal.

    We will see LOTS more of this bullshit from the desperate Repubs this year - just like we did in 2008.
    It's all the Repubs have got.

    But, nice try at reframing the issue.
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    meninlove said
    RickRick91 saidThere you go again, Socal.

    You (and your fellow Repubs) just keep playing the race card.

    The politics of division is all you Repubs have got!

    It's a damning indictment of the current state of the Repub party that you Repubs have to stoop to playing the race card in a desperate attempt to try to win votes.

    But given the Repub party's record of failure in recent years - it's not surprising that you need to dredge this kind of stuff up out of the gutter.



    uh, Rickrick, I think freedomisntfree is a Republican, isn't he?

    In all fairness, Socal hasn't stated yet what he thinks about this article.





    In all fairness, Socal posted this thread.
    The incident described in this thread is racially divisive.
    Therefore he played the race card.

    That's just a simple fact.

    And I have no idea why you would bring up Freedomisntfree.
    What does he have to do with this thread?



    I brought him up because in your post you slammed all republicans. icon_wink.gif

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    AlphaTrigger saidLol.

    PCFAGS are mad because according to the Central Liberal Dogma:

    "All Whiteys are ALWAYS rayciss".

    Always, and without exception.



    It almost seems as if this Price character was fishing for notoriety and looking for butthurt from some group of kids shouting the USA chant.

    Big whoop. If it were really a race/hate crime ... there should be a little bit of a higher bar than chanting a lame chant.


    I don't think she was Alpha. I found it a little obvious that USA was chanted, instead of the team name or school the team was from.

    I also think that given the heightened tensions around illegals, chanting USA was a bit of incitement; an inferral that the hispanics were not really citizens of the USA, which would not be racist, but equally derisive.

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    meninlove said
    RickRick91 said
    meninlove said
    RickRick91 saidThere you go again, Socal.

    You (and your fellow Repubs) just keep playing the race card.

    The politics of division is all you Repubs have got!

    It's a damning indictment of the current state of the Repub party that you Repubs have to stoop to playing the race card in a desperate attempt to try to win votes.

    But given the Repub party's record of failure in recent years - it's not surprising that you need to dredge this kind of stuff up out of the gutter.



    uh, Rickrick, I think freedomisntfree is a Republican, isn't he?

    In all fairness, Socal hasn't stated yet what he thinks about this article.




    In all fairness, Socal posted this thread.
    The incident described in this thread is racially divisive.
    Therefore he played the race card.

    That's just a simple fact.

    And I have no idea why you would bring up Freedomisntfree.
    What does he have to do with this thread?



    I brought him up because in your post you slammed all republicans. icon_wink.gif




    I wasn't referring to the RJ Repubs - I was referring to the Repub party in general.

    I was referring to the race card strategy that's habitually been used by the Repub party for decades (as in the Southern Strategy) - and that was used against President Obama in the last election in particular.
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    Eh, OK I got it rickrick; it was this that had me wondering:

    "You (and your fellow Repubs) just keep playing the race card."

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    I believe that the "whitey = racist" canard is definitely a factor.

    And granted, some conservatives take that reading to an extreme, but there is certainly a train of thought that suggest by just merely existing as a predominant race, whites are inherently racist as an aggregate, for associating primarily with other whites and structuring their social interactions around a primarily white cultural point of reference.

    Shocking thing is, other racial groups do the exact same thing with each other for the most part. But when whites do it, it becomes inherently racist due to some sort of disproportionate influence that whites have as a majority (or more recently, a plurality) population.

    The University of Delaware was teaching this drivel a few years back and mandating that all students accept a statement that all whites were essentially racist just because they were "privileged" by being a larger demographic.

    More recently, Yale incomin freshmen were informed that almost alleviates are racists just by virtue of their skin colour:


    Spelman College President Beverly Daniel Tatum saidRacism is a system of advantage based on race, a combination of racial prejudice and social power. Because they benefit from this arrangement, almost all white Americans — but not their black peers — can fairly be called racist.



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    RickRick91 saidThere you go again, Socal.

    You (and your fellow Repubs) just keep playing the race card.

    The politics of division is all you Repubs have got!

    It's a damning indictment of the current state of the Repub party that you Repubs have to stoop to playing the race card in a desperate attempt to try to win votes.

    But given the Repub party's record of failure in recent years - it's not surprising that you need to dredge this kind of stuff up out of the gutter.

    Totally delusional. Race card often played by Democrats. Save you the trouble of responding that it is always legitimate when done by the left, but never legitimate when done by the right. That is the case in your simplistic world, right?

    Your cognitive abilities are also grossly deficient. As MIL stated, I did not comment on the article, so I played no race card. Thought it would be of interest to the adults here.

    There was another subtlety that MIL obviously noticed that went over your head. I did not post the entire article, but specifically included the challenge to their chanting in what I included, and did not try to obscure that by leaving it not quoted. While it would have been noted anyway, it did indicate that my intent was to ensure the point was well known.


    I call "bullshit." By posting the story you are - at the minimum - suggesting that it is important or worth discussing. That you didn't comment on it and, actually, have not is a form of race baiting, i.e. posting a racially evocative article and then clutching your pearls when people react to it.

    Personally, I don't think chanting "USA USA" is necessarily racist, but it seems the context and intent clearly suggest that was the goal of these high schoolers. I also suspect you think it's fine that they did so, but don't want to admit that publicly.
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    mlitsonata saidI must have blocked whomever started this thread because I can't see the original article



    Well, stop being such a PUSSY and unblock them -- sheeesh -- you libs are so fragile. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    RickRick91 saidThere you go again, Socal.

    You (and your fellow Repubs) just keep playing the race card.

    The politics of division is all you Repubs have got!

    It's a damning indictment of the current state of the Repub party that you Repubs have to stoop to playing the race card in a desperate attempt to try to win votes.

    But given the Repub party's record of failure in recent years - it's not surprising that you need to dredge this kind of stuff up out of the gutter.



    uh, Rickrick, I think freedomisntfree is a Republican, isn't he?

    In all fairness, Socal hasn't stated yet what he thinks about this article.



    Why am I coming up in this?

    YES, I would chant USA USA USA

    at the Olympics.
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    meninlove said
    RickRick91 saidThere you go again, Socal.

    You (and your fellow Repubs) just keep playing the race card.

    The politics of division is all you Repubs have got!

    It's a damning indictment of the current state of the Repub party that you Repubs have to stoop to playing the race card in a desperate attempt to try to win votes.

    But given the Repub party's record of failure in recent years - it's not surprising that you need to dredge this kind of stuff up out of the gutter.



    uh, Rickrick, I think freedomisntfree is a Republican, isn't he?

    In all fairness, Socal hasn't stated yet what he thinks about this article.





    In all fairness, Socal posted this thread.
    The incident described in this thread is racially divisive.
    Therefore he played the race card.

    That's just a simple fact.

    And I have no idea why you would bring up Freedomisntfree.
    What does he have to do with this thread?


    Thanks, good question!
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    OK, again I should have read the thread first
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    Christian73 saidI call "bullshit." By posting the story you are - at the minimum - suggesting that it is important or worth discussing. That you didn't comment on it and, actually, have not is a form of race baiting, i.e. posting a racially evocative article and then clutching your pearls when people react to it.

    Personally, I don't think chanting "USA USA" is necessarily racist, but it seems the context and intent clearly suggest that was the goal of these high schoolers. I also suspect you think it's fine that they did so, but don't want to admit that publicly.

    Are you really as simple as your buddy RR? Certain stories don't need comment. But I'll let you in on a secret, which I thought would be obvious to the thinking members who had any interest. Do you know what irony is? Here is a definition: "the use of words to express something other than and especially the opposite of the literal meaning". Assuming the facts provided the entire context, it seemed clear that the intent of the students was to denigrate the others who attended the losing school. But the irony of the situation was they used words that generally are considered uplifting and patriotic, at least by those of us who are patriotic.

    Also, as I pointed out above in response to another comment, I included only an excerpt to the story, but made a point to include a comment critical to the students' actions. Perhaps that was also a bit subtle.

    So now you will rail against my condescending attitude. Don't you think it is appropriate, given you asserted very strongly an opinion that was both factually incorrect and intended to be insulting? Your response is a perfect example why certain books are targeted to adults. Children could read most of the story and would only see literal meanings, but would be completely oblivious to other story lines or uses of techniques such as irony or sarcasm. So consider this your Cliff Notes, explaining the post.
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    Socal, this is a good point, "Assuming the facts provided the entire context, it seemed clear that the intent of the students was to denigrate the others who attended the losing school. But the irony of the situation was they used words that generally are considered uplifting and patriotic, at least by those of us who are patriotic."

    ..which is really rotten, when you consider uplifting patriotism often entails not appreciating the use of it for harassment of others, as I've been taught.

    former boy scout

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    ...but I also think you were too hard on Christian.



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    meninlove said Socal, this is a good point, "Assuming the facts provided the entire context, it seemed clear that the intent of the students was to denigrate the others who attended the losing school. But the irony of the situation was they used words that generally are considered uplifting and patriotic, at least by those of us who are patriotic."

    ..which is really rotten, when you consider uplifting patriotism often entails not appreciating the use of it for harassment of others, as I've been taught.

    former boy scout

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    Yes, absolutely. A further example of irony. Reminds me of an E. B. White essay. He was one of the original writers of the New Yorker Magazine, and coauthor of Elements of Style, by Will Strunk and E. B. White. One of the essays discussed "beloved barriers" associated with college fraternities. He made the point that the most exclusionary members of fraternities, emphasizing strong brotherhood to maintain an exclusivity, were, in fact, the ones demonstrating the least brotherhood.

    Found it:

    “Clubs, fraternities, nations -- these are the beloved barriers in the way of a workable world, these will have to surrender some of their rights and some of their ribs. A ‘fraternity’ is the antithesis of fraternity. The first (that is, the order or organization) is predicated on the idea of exclusion; the second (that is, the abstract thing) is based on a feeling of total equality. Anyone who remembers back to his fraternity days at college recalls the enthusiasts in his group, the rabid members, both young and old, who were obsessed with the mystical charm of membership in their particular order. They were usually men who were incapable of genuine brotherhood, or at least unaware of its implications. Fraternity begins when the exclusion formula is found to be distasteful. The effect of any organization of a social and brotherly nature is to strengthen rather than diminish the lines which divide people into classes; the effects of states and nations is the same, and eventually these lines will have to be softened, these powers will have to be generalized.”
    ― E.B. White, One Man's Meat