Unarmed Black Teen Gunned Down By Neighborhood Watch Leader After Being Deemed Suspicious

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    Mar 09, 2012 11:14 AM GMT
    http://gawker.com/5891805/unarmed-black-teen-gunned-down-by-neighborhood-watch-leader-after-being-deemed-suspicious

    Apparently iced tea and a bag of skittles are suspicious. The fact that this guy isn't behind bars is a fucking crime in itself.
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    Mar 09, 2012 11:19 AM GMT
    I hope Zimmercrap gets life behind bars. It doesn't matter that the kid was Black...he was FUCKING KILLED FOR NO FUCKING REASON. That should be enough to piss anyone off without a doubt. Nevertheless I hope local Blacks go apeshit and fuck up this Zimmershit.

    After reading the full article I cannot make an educated conclusion at this point.
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    Mar 09, 2012 11:26 AM GMT
    JakeBenson saidI hope Zimmercrap gets life behind bars. It doesn't matter that the kid was Black...he was FUCKING KILLED FOR NO FUCKING REASON. That should be enough to piss anyone off without a doubt. Nevertheless I hope local Blacks go apeshit and fuck up this Zimmershit.


    He moved from the community and went into fucking hiding. Fucking coward,he called the cops because the kid was suspicious(black) in some reports he apparently said something along the lines of "they always get away".

    I don't even understand how he can begin to claim self defense, he called the cops, proceeded to stalk this poor kid, and THEN went after him. If I was walking home alone and it was dark and some crazy asshole runs up on me I'm going to defend myself too. Had he not had a gun he would have NEVER approached this kid.
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    Mar 09, 2012 11:28 AM GMT
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    He moved from the community and went into fucking hiding. Fucking coward,he called the cops because the kid was suspicious(black) in some reports he apparently said something along the lines of "they always get away".

    I don't even understand how he can begin to claim self defense, he called the cops, proceeded to stalk this poor kid, and THEN went after him. If I was walking home alone and it was dark and some crazy asshole runs up on me I'm going to defend myself too. Had he not had a gun he would have NEVER approached this kid.


    Someone's going to find him and make him pay if the cops don't get him first. The "self defense" is a complete lie. He followed the kid and then killed the kid. I don't understand how he's not going to get life behind bars. And if this was racially motivated as you gave evidence to show it could be...I hope he still gets life behind bars.

    After reading the full article I cannot make an educated conclusion at this point.
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    Mar 09, 2012 11:33 AM GMT
    http://www.wftv.com/news/news/family-teen-fatally-shot-neighborhood-watch-leader/nLNq9/

    WFTVOn Thursday, Sanford Police Chief Bill Lee confirmed to WFTV that the dispatcher told Zimmerman to wait for officers to arrive.
    However, before police arrived, Zimmerman shot and killed Martin during a scuffle, investigators said.
    In the recording, Zimmerman said "They always get away," which could prove the family's case that he was out to get their son that day.
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    Mar 09, 2012 11:35 AM GMT
    DoomsDayAlpaca saidhttp://www.wftv.com/news/news/family-teen-fatally-shot-neighborhood-watch-leader/nLNq9/

    WFTVOn Thursday, Sanford Police Chief Bill Lee confirmed to WFTV that the dispatcher told Zimmerman to wait for officers to arrive.
    However, before police arrived, Zimmerman shot and killed Martin during a scuffle, investigators said.
    In the recording, Zimmerman said "They always get away," which could prove the family's case that he was out to get their son that day.


    wait, no i judged preemptively. excerpt from the article:

    "BUT---if, as witnesses are reporting, Martin was on top of Zimmerman beating the shit out of him, self defense may indeed be a legit claim. "

    I'm going to wait for the truth to come out later before I make a judgment.
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    Mar 09, 2012 11:37 AM GMT
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    DoomsDayAlpaca saidhttp://www.wftv.com/news/news/family-teen-fatally-shot-neighborhood-watch-leader/nLNq9/

    WFTVOn Thursday, Sanford Police Chief Bill Lee confirmed to WFTV that the dispatcher told Zimmerman to wait for officers to arrive.
    However, before police arrived, Zimmerman shot and killed Martin during a scuffle, investigators said.
    In the recording, Zimmerman said "They always get away," which could prove the family's case that he was out to get their son that day.


    well it's Florida. So probably death penalty.


    I doubt it, it's been over 10 days and he is still free claiming "self defense", like not even bail or anything.
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    Mar 09, 2012 11:38 AM GMT
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    JakeBenson said
    DoomsDayAlpaca saidhttp://www.wftv.com/news/news/family-teen-fatally-shot-neighborhood-watch-leader/nLNq9/

    WFTVOn Thursday, Sanford Police Chief Bill Lee confirmed to WFTV that the dispatcher told Zimmerman to wait for officers to arrive.
    However, before police arrived, Zimmerman shot and killed Martin during a scuffle, investigators said.
    In the recording, Zimmerman said "They always get away," which could prove the family's case that he was out to get their son that day.


    well it's Florida. So probably death penalty.


    I doubt it, it's been over 10 days and he is still free claiming "self defense", like not even bail or anything.


    Wait no no no ....i judged preemptively. I should have read all of the article you linked me to. excerpt from the article:

    "BUT---if, as witnesses are reporting, Martin was on top of Zimmerman beating the shit out of him, self defense may indeed be a legit claim. "

    I'm going to wait for the truth to comes out later before I make a judgment. It could have legitimately been self defense.
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    Mar 09, 2012 11:43 AM GMT
    JakeBenson said
    DoomsDayAlpaca said
    JakeBenson said
    DoomsDayAlpaca saidhttp://www.wftv.com/news/news/family-teen-fatally-shot-neighborhood-watch-leader/nLNq9/

    WFTVOn Thursday, Sanford Police Chief Bill Lee confirmed to WFTV that the dispatcher told Zimmerman to wait for officers to arrive.
    However, before police arrived, Zimmerman shot and killed Martin during a scuffle, investigators said.
    In the recording, Zimmerman said "They always get away," which could prove the family's case that he was out to get their son that day.


    well it's Florida. So probably death penalty.


    I doubt it, it's been over 10 days and he is still free claiming "self defense", like not even bail or anything.


    Wait no no no ....i judged preemptively. I should have read all of the article you linked me to. excerpt from the article:

    "BUT---if, as witnesses are reporting, Martin was on top of Zimmerman beating the shit out of him, self defense may indeed be a legit claim. "

    I'm going to wait for the truth to comes out later before I make a judgment. It could have legitimately been self defense.


    Self defense from what? He should have never approached the kid to begin with. He probably felt like a bigshot because he had a gun on him and when he started something with the kid (and got the shit beat out of him) he figured it was ok to pull the trigger. The recording show that this dude was looking for a fight, that's pre-meditation right there.
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    Mar 09, 2012 2:25 PM GMT
    The white guy imagined the whole problem here. It was entirely in his head. He saw a black youth and went right into racist mode. Then he provoked a confrontation by his stalking the kid. The white guy is guilty. But the black kid won't get his life back. Poor kid!
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    Mar 09, 2012 10:36 PM GMT
    JakeBenson saidNevertheless I hope local Blacks go apeshit


    I'm sorry, but the way you worded that... icon_lol.gif
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    Mar 10, 2012 1:09 AM GMT
    I am thankful that in my community we hire off-duty police to patrol. They patrol in the police car with communications, audio, and video recording. Roughly $120 an hour for officer and car. It's worth every penny.
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    conservativejock saidI am thankful that in my community we hire off-duty police to patrol. They patrol in the police car with communications, audio, and video recording. Roughly $120 an hour for officer and car. It's worth every penny.


    I don't see how this is in anyway related to what happened.
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    Mar 10, 2012 1:27 AM GMT
    DoomsDayAlpaca said
    conservativejock saidI am thankful that in my community we hire off-duty police to patrol. They patrol in the police car with communications, audio, and video recording. Roughly $120 an hour for officer and car. It's worth every penny.


    I don't see how this is in anyway related to what happened.


    It is merely that I am thankful that my neighbnorhood is not like the neighborhood near Orlando. I am thankful I do not have to depend on a group formed as a neighborhood watch to stop and question anyone, including myself, who is moving through the neighborhood.

    Think about it. There is no need to dial 911. The officer patrolling can call for backup over the radio. He has arrest authority. He has recordings of his surroundings.

    I assume at this point that everyone involved has had prior arrests records pulled?
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    conservativejock said
    DoomsDayAlpaca said
    conservativejock saidI am thankful that in my community we hire off-duty police to patrol. They patrol in the police car with communications, audio, and video recording. Roughly $120 an hour for officer and car. It's worth every penny.


    I don't see how this is in anyway related to what happened.


    It is merely that I am thankful that my neighbnorhood is not like the neighborhood near Orlando. I am thankful I do not have to depend on a group formed as a neighborhood watch to stop and question anyone, including myself, who is moving through the neighborhood.

    Think about it. There is no need to dial 911. The officer patrolling can call for backup over the radio. He has arrest authority. He has recordings of his surroundings.

    I assume at this point that everyone involved has had prior arrests records pulled?


    The kid was 17 and was never in trouble before, the 28 year old who shot him was let go by police because he is in college for criminal justice and is otherwise a" good guy", their words not mine.
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    Mar 10, 2012 1:34 AM GMT
    DoomsDayAlpaca said
    conservativejock said
    DoomsDayAlpaca said
    conservativejock saidI am thankful that in my community we hire off-duty police to patrol. They patrol in the police car with communications, audio, and video recording. Roughly $120 an hour for officer and car. It's worth every penny.


    I don't see how this is in anyway related to what happened.


    It is merely that I am thankful that my neighbnorhood is not like the neighborhood near Orlando. I am thankful I do not have to depend on a group formed as a neighborhood watch to stop and question anyone, including myself, who is moving through the neighborhood.

    Think about it. There is no need to dial 911. The officer patrolling can call for backup over the radio. He has arrest authority. He has recordings of his surroundings.

    I assume at this point that everyone involved has had prior arrests records pulled?


    The kid was 17 and was never in trouble before, the 28 year old who shot him was let go by police because he is in college for criminal justice and is otherwise a" good guy", their words not mine.


    Well, if the grand jury decides there is a possibility of a crime, they'll indict.

    If a kid is on top of me beating the shit out of me, don't expect me not to fire.
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    Mar 10, 2012 1:41 AM GMT
    conservativejock said
    DoomsDayAlpaca said
    conservativejock said
    DoomsDayAlpaca said
    conservativejock saidI am thankful that in my community we hire off-duty police to patrol. They patrol in the police car with communications, audio, and video recording. Roughly $120 an hour for officer and car. It's worth every penny.


    I don't see how this is in anyway related to what happened.


    It is merely that I am thankful that my neighbnorhood is not like the neighborhood near Orlando. I am thankful I do not have to depend on a group formed as a neighborhood watch to stop and question anyone, including myself, who is moving through the neighborhood.

    Think about it. There is no need to dial 911. The officer patrolling can call for backup over the radio. He has arrest authority. He has recordings of his surroundings.

    I assume at this point that everyone involved has had prior arrests records pulled?


    The kid was 17 and was never in trouble before, the 28 year old who shot him was let go by police because he is in college for criminal justice and is otherwise a" good guy", their words not mine.


    Well, if the grand jury decides there is a possibility of a crime, they'll indict.

    If a kid is on top of me beating the shit out of me, don't expect me not to fire.


    Did you read how this all happened? This grown as man followed and confronted this kid for ZERO reason, the only reason he chose to engage this kid is because he felt like a big shot with his gun on him. It's not self defense when you are creating a situation, if anyone in this situation was trying to defend themselves, it was Martin.
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    Mar 10, 2012 6:01 AM GMT
    No where in the article does it say who started the fight, if he was following the kid and he noticed and turned around and kicked in his headlight i'd get out and in your face. It doesn't say who started it or how it happened; all it says is he was following him, they got into a fight, and the kid got killed. Who's to say the kid didn't provoke the adult to get in his face.

    And as for the Zero reason, almost every time there is a black person in the news it's almost always something bad, so the media builds up this stereo type and this guy got paranoid. Hell i've rolled through some pretty rough areas of chicago that are either all black or hispanic and had people watching me cause i clearly didn't belong their; that shit happens everywhere.
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    Mar 10, 2012 7:33 AM GMT
    It was clearly self-defense.

    I mean, who did that black kid think he was, walking around with Skittles and iced tea in Zimmerman's neighborhood?
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    Mar 10, 2012 8:21 AM GMT
    SA1911 saidNo where in the article does it say who started the fight, if he was following the kid and he noticed and turned around and kicked in his headlight i'd get out and in your face. It doesn't say who started it or how it happened; all it says is he was following him, they got into a fight, and the kid got killed. Who's to say the kid didn't provoke the adult to get in his face.

    And as for the Zero reason, almost every time there is a black person in the news it's almost always something bad, so the media builds up this stereo type and this guy got paranoid. Hell i've rolled through some pretty rough areas of chicago that are either all black or hispanic and had people watching me cause i clearly didn't belong their; that shit happens everywhere.



    This is the biggest load of victim blaming bullshit I have seen in these forums so far, it's clearly stated in the second article that the kid turned around and asked him what his problem was, because the man was CLEARLY making him uncomfortable.
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    Mar 11, 2012 1:32 AM GMT
    SA1911 saidNo where in the article does it say who started the fight, if he was following the kid and he noticed and turned around and kicked in his headlight i'd get out and in your face. It doesn't say who started it or how it happened; all it says is he was following him, they got into a fight, and the kid got killed. Who's to say the kid didn't provoke the adult to get in his face.

    And as for the Zero reason, almost every time there is a black person in the news it's almost always something bad, so the media builds up this stereo type and this guy got paranoid. Hell i've rolled through some pretty rough areas of chicago that are either all black or hispanic and had people watching me cause i clearly didn't belong their; that shit happens everywhere.


    Right or wrong, it's called the 'Color of Crime.' And in Sanford, Florida that borders the Orlando International Airport, ninety-percent of the crime is perpatrated by black and latino men less than 30 years old.

    Folks like DoomsDay would never bother to wonder why a neighborhood needs patrols -- either by police or their own neighbors. It is just beyond his comprehension that any young black teen would ever commit a crime. It just doesn't happen.

    The sad part perhaps is the vast majority of white folks, myself included, are just tired of hearing all of the excuses. We no longer want to hear it.

    It could be that this young black man is more a victim of his own culture than he is of anything else, for to an overwhelming majority of those outside the "black culture," black equals crime.
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    Mar 11, 2012 1:45 AM GMT
    conservativejock saidThe sad part perhaps is the vast majority of white folks, myself included, are just tired of hearing all of the excuses. We no longer want to hear it.

    It could be that this young black man is more a victim of his own culture than he is of anything else, for to an overwhelming majority of those outside the "black culture," black equals crime.

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    Mar 11, 2012 2:00 AM GMT
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    It is just beyond his comprehension that any middle age white man would ever commit a crime. It just doesn't happen.

    The sad part perhaps is the vast majority of folks, myself included, are just tired of hearing all of the excuses. We no longer want to hear it.

    It could be that this middle aged white man is more a victim of his own culture than he is of anything else, for to an overwhelming majority of those outside the "white culture," white middle aged man equals serial killer.


    Does that work better for you? Let me scroll off a few names: Jeffrey Dahmer, Ted Bundy, Charles Manson, Dennis Rader, and John Wayne Gacy to name a few.

    But you keep on compartmentalizing crime by race.
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    Mar 11, 2012 2:30 AM GMT
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    It is just beyond his comprehension that any middle age white man would ever commit a crime. It just doesn't happen.

    The sad part perhaps is the vast majority of folks, myself included, are just tired of hearing all of the excuses. We no longer want to hear it.

    It could be that this middle aged white man is more a victim of his own culture than he is of anything else, for to an overwhelming majority of those outside the "white culture," white middle aged man equals serial killer.


    Does that work better for you? Let me scroll off a few names: Jeffrey Dahmer, Ted Bundy, Charles Manson, Dennis Rader, and John Wayne Gacy to name a few.

    But you keep on compartmentalizing crime by race.


    Georgia prisons: 70% black inmates. Of course, I've been told they are all innocent.
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    Mar 11, 2012 2:40 AM GMT
    I must admit DoomsDay, you're doing better in Pennsylvania. You actually had 39% of your prison popuylation that was white in 2009. You good liberal folks don't want to separate out black criminals, so Pennsylvania lists the other 61% of felons as "minority."

    You haven't by chance vacationed in the hallowed halls of Pennsylvania's prison system have you?