Could it be time for "the gay spring"?

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    Mar 10, 2012 8:51 AM GMT
    With one big push for our rights.
    I wonder what if we (the international gay community) started a gay political interest group.
    I’m kind of over the constant whining on both sides of our argument to gain basic human rights and or equality. Time to say enough is enough; we call bullshit, in each of our respective countries until we all enjoy equality with our straight brothers and sisters. Plus call out those regimes around the world where gays are persecuted, including our own.
    Stop all this family values, marriage sanctity crap and discrimination within the law; just stop putting up with it now.
    Could we actively and physically support those who live in remote or volatile nations, again including our own?
    Would the collective talents of our broad demographic be able to gain momentum as quickly as the Kony campaign, for instance? Then lasting traction?
    Would it accomplish anything?
    Would anyone join?
    Will this thread go anywhere or end up flaming or filled with wanky pontifications and no call for action ? icon_smile.gif





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    Mar 10, 2012 5:41 PM GMT
    Probably.
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    Mar 10, 2012 7:34 PM GMT
    I think we all feel helpless. What is needed is something that makes us think "this will probably make a difference if I get involved", as well as make that the same thing that everyone else is joining in on.

    You'd think with the internet, and our ability to network with millions to rally for a cause, that we would be less complacent as a species.
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    Mar 10, 2012 7:54 PM GMT
    I'm a part of that international community.

    In my lifetime, my country went from jailing men for homosexual behaviour to legalizing same-sex marriage and entrenching gay-rights in the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

    Canada is an example of what is possible and should be held up as an example of what gay men can achieve when they fight for their rights.

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    Mar 10, 2012 8:04 PM GMT
    Yeah, we haven't had a good spring since 1969!

    (Well, it was still spring GST even if early summer for the rest of the world.)
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    Mar 10, 2012 8:24 PM GMT
    dtmyh said...
    Will this thread go anywhere or end up flaming or filled with wanky pontifications and no call for action ? icon_smile.gif
    That.
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    Mar 10, 2012 8:33 PM GMT
    dtmyh saidCould it be time for "the gay spring"?


    I very much doubt it.

    The Arab Spring arose in response to Medieval levels of squalor and oppression. Not exactly this:

    gaypride-2-275x300.jpg

    Of course, the Arab Spring also installed even more religiously oppressive regimes than those they had before. So maybe the gays will rise up and elect Santorum.
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    Mar 10, 2012 11:13 PM GMT
    You should read Martin Luther King Jr.'s books. Then you can start a revolution on our part. I'd go all in on it, but somehow I'm convince my sister and brother think I'm the next Anti-Christ, so I avoid all political platforms and making too many waves in the public platforms.
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    Mar 10, 2012 11:16 PM GMT
    Im all for it
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    Mar 11, 2012 12:41 AM GMT
    Larkin said
    dtmyh saidCould it be time for "the gay spring"?


    I very much doubt it.

    The Arab Spring arose in response to Medieval levels of squalor and oppression. Not exactly this:

    gaypride-2-275x300.jpg

    Of course, the Arab Spring also installed even more religiously oppressive regimes than those they had before. So maybe the gays will rise up and elect Santorum.


    very true but your pic is a great example of what we have achieved...lots of colour and movement and thats about it. Everyone loves a parade and its great that we can have our young handsome guys on top of a truck parading down main street in their underwear. But what about gaining more for those of us in Western (progressive) countries and more for those gays in oppressive regimes.
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    Mar 11, 2012 12:52 AM GMT
    Look, it's safe for us (more or less) in the West, but people in LDCs risk their lives when they talk about gay rights.
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    Mar 11, 2012 12:55 AM GMT
    dtmyh said
    Larkin said
    dtmyh saidCould it be time for "the gay spring"?


    I very much doubt it.

    The Arab Spring arose in response to Medieval levels of squalor and oppression. Not exactly this:

    gaypride-2-275x300.jpg

    Of course, the Arab Spring also installed even more religiously oppressive regimes than those they had before. So maybe the gays will rise up and elect Santorum.


    very true but your pic is a great example of what we have achieved...lots of colour and movement and thats about it. Everyone loves a parade and its great that we can have our young handsome guys on top of a truck parading down main street in their underwear. But what about gaining more for those of us in Western (progressive) countries and more for those gays in oppressive regimes.


    If you seriously believe the ONLY thing we have gained is the ability to dance in our underwear -- than I seriously question the validity of this entire thread.
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    Mar 11, 2012 12:57 AM GMT
    swimguychicago saidLook, it's safe for us (more or less) in the West, but people in LDCs risk their lives when they talk about gay rights.


    It is still that way in certain parts of the West.

    Until very recently it was that way in major cities in the West.

    What exactly is the point you are trying to make?
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    Mar 11, 2012 11:53 PM GMT
    Cash said
    dtmyh said
    Larkin said
    dtmyh saidCould it be time for "the gay spring"?


    I very much doubt it.

    The Arab Spring arose in response to Medieval levels of squalor and oppression. Not exactly this:

    gaypride-2-275x300.jpg

    Of course, the Arab Spring also installed even more religiously oppressive regimes than those they had before. So maybe the gays will rise up and elect Santorum.


    very true but your pic is a great example of what we have achieved...lots of colour and movement and thats about it. Everyone loves a parade and its great that we can have our young handsome guys on top of a truck parading down main street in their underwear. But what about gaining more for those of us in Western (progressive) countries and more for those gays in oppressive regimes.


    If you seriously believe the ONLY thing we have gained is the ability to dance in our underwear -- than I seriously question the validity of this entire thread.


    I was being sarcastic icon_smile.gif
    The idea has been brewing with me for a while now. There was a prdie parade here some months ago and watching the types of people watching it, listening to their comments from within the crowd, I found it interesting that all these straight families came out to watch the colour and movement and enjoy the "creative aspect" of gay culture. Yet when it comes to equality in marriage etc most straights seem to not be able to put 2 and 2 together. and even consider that we still dont have equality, Its kind of like they are 2 separate issues 1) Gay parades are fun and exciting 2) This must mean gays are happy with their lot.
    There is some kind of disconnect something hasnt got through and even though pride parades started off as political statements their effect on the masses has shifted to merely an opportunity for a colourful parade.
    Also I have some experience in oppressive regimes and comprehend how its almost impossible for some to be able to fully express themselves. I was not being flipant about the torture they experience. I was asking what would we in certain prividged western societies do to help them and could we?
    I just found it an interesting topic and to suss out what others may feel
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    Mar 12, 2012 12:24 AM GMT
    Recently I suggested here boycotting heterosexual weddings and anniversaries of even our own families until we are endowed with our civil rights (sentiments about which my family sympathizes with no hard feelings towards me) only to be publicly denounced and declared as a douchebag by one of our gay brethren.

    Multiply that by the entire international gay community.

    Maybe we should just make some cute and clever bumper stickers to fight for us instead. Then we can go shopping.
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    Mar 12, 2012 12:34 AM GMT
    I feel like I've read this post before... deja vu maybe? But anyway, you make a valid point but how many people will actually do that?
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    Mar 12, 2012 12:37 AM GMT
    Perhaps a push for a federal constitutional amendment along these lines:


    (A Proposal for a) Marriage Equality Amendment - "The right for two individuals to freely and mutually enter into marriage, having reached the age of eighteen years, regardless of gender, sexual orientation, race, or nationality, shall not be abridged. Such marriages shall be recognized by the many states without reservation or prejudice".
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    Mar 12, 2012 12:42 AM GMT
    theantijock saidRecently I suggested here boycotting heterosexual weddings and anniversaries of even our own families until we are endowed with our civil rights (sentiments about which my family sympathizes with no hard feelings towards me) only to be publicly denounced and declared as a douchebag by one of our gay brethren.

    Multiply that by the entire international gay community.

    Maybe we should just make some cute and clever bumper stickers to fight for us instead. Then we can go shopping.


    Well of course! a Gay Spring definitely calls for a wardrobe change before any serious work is to be done. Before I go shopping can we agree on a color scheme?

    Thouhgt not. icon_sad.gif
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    Mar 12, 2012 12:45 AM GMT
    Haven't we had a few of gay springs? Stonewall? ACT UP? That big march on DC a few years ago? It Gets Better?

    The idea that people are going to "take to the streets" a la Occupy...doesn't seem realistic to me, given the gays I've met throughout this country.
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    Mar 12, 2012 12:52 AM GMT
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    theantijock saidRecently I suggested here boycotting heterosexual weddings and anniversaries of even our own families until we are endowed with our civil rights (sentiments about which my family sympathizes with no hard feelings towards me) only to be publicly denounced and declared as a douchebag by one of our gay brethren.

    Multiply that by the entire international gay community.

    Maybe we should just make some cute and clever bumper stickers to fight for us instead. Then we can go shopping.


    Well of course! a Gay Spring definitely calls for a wardrobe change before any serious work is to be done. Before I go shopping can we agree on a color scheme?

    Thought not. icon_sad.gif


    So that's how we wound up with the rainbow? We couldn't even pick a fucking color?
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    Mar 12, 2012 1:02 AM GMT
    theantijock said
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    theantijock saidRecently I suggested here boycotting heterosexual weddings and anniversaries of even our own families until we are endowed with our civil rights (sentiments about which my family sympathizes with no hard feelings towards me) only to be publicly denounced and declared as a douchebag by one of our gay brethren.

    Multiply that by the entire international gay community.

    Maybe we should just make some cute and clever bumper stickers to fight for us instead. Then we can go shopping.


    Well of course! a Gay Spring definitely calls for a wardrobe change before any serious work is to be done. Before I go shopping can we agree on a color scheme?

    Thought not. icon_sad.gif


    So that's how we wound up with the rainbow? We couldn't even pick a fucking color?


    Yep.
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    Mar 12, 2012 1:14 AM GMT
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    Mar 12, 2012 12:40 PM GMT
    dtmyh saidThere was a prdie parade here some months ago and watching the types of people watching it, listening to their comments from within the crowd, I found it interesting that all these straight families came out to watch the colour and movement and enjoy the "creative aspect" of gay culture. Yet when it comes to equality in marriage etc most straights seem to not be able to put 2 and 2 together. and even consider that we still dont have equality, Its kind of like they are 2 separate issues 1) Gay parades are fun and exciting 2) This must mean gays are happy with their lot.

    I don't think that the str8 people who come to pride parades (which are not apolitical) are the ones opining or voting against our equal rights.
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    Mar 12, 2012 12:42 PM GMT
    Shall we go and occupy ehm.. the churches and mosques or something?

    Honestly, i wouldnt mind occupying the vatican
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    Mar 12, 2012 1:14 PM GMT
    I think it is a nice idea on paper but the idea that the LGBT community in developed countries can have a big influence on social policy in developing ones may be idealistic. We don't really have much in the way of leverage.

    Meanwhile, change is occurring, and I do agree that we can encourage it.

    We've gone from Bill Clinton enshrining prejudice into federal law to his wife as Secretary of STate telling recipients of American aid that their human rights (including LGBT rights) practices will be subject to review as a condition of receiving that aid, in a period of 20 years.

    The majority of Americans believe in some form of legal recognition for same-sex couples. This is not the hot-button political issue it once was, nor that some GOP candidates and the Catholic Church would have you believe. Marriage is legal in 7 states and DC, and when California passes it (which is somewhat inevitable, given the weakness of the opposition's case, IMHO) when you look at represented population it will be more like 1/4 of the country has legal marriage where they live. California passing marriage will be like the entire eastern seaboard from Savannah to Boston passing it at the same time. Meanwhile other countries, including ones where the church has traditionally held a strong sway in politics, are adopting more inclusive policies faster than we are.

    Prosecuting two consenting adults for "sodomy" in private is illegal, even in Texas.

    DADT was killed, and the federal government refuses to defend DOMA.

    We ain't what we could be, we ain't what we gonna be, but at least we ain't what we was.