Santorum wins Kansas caucus

  • HndsmKansan

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    Mar 10, 2012 8:29 PM GMT
    Santorum has over 50% of the vote with about 75% reporting... Romney way back at like 17%... looks like maybe the beginning of a big week for good old RIck...
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    Mar 10, 2012 11:05 PM GMT
    gross
  • nanidesukedo

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    Mar 10, 2012 11:13 PM GMT
    I'm having a hard time understanding how people are actually, in good faith, supporting him...
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    Mar 10, 2012 11:45 PM GMT
    I'm shocked anyone could vote for him. Does Kansas have many Irish descendants?
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    Mar 10, 2012 11:56 PM GMT
    nanidesukedo saidI'm having a hard time understanding how people are actually, in good faith, supporting him...


    Well I don't either, of course.... but I'd prefer he be the nominee than the fake flip flopper....LOL

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    Mar 11, 2012 12:24 AM GMT
    TrueBlueAussie saidI'm shocked anyone could vote for him. Does Kansas have many Irish descendants?


    Santorum is not Irish. icon_evil.gif
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    Mar 11, 2012 1:44 AM GMT
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    TrueBlueAussie saidI'm shocked anyone could vote for him. Does Kansas have many Irish descendants?


    Santorum is not Irish. icon_evil.gif


    He is actually Italian.
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    Mar 11, 2012 2:26 AM GMT
    TrueBlueAussie saidI'm shocked anyone could vote for him. Does Kansas have many Irish descendants?



    For you young guys, this is the kind of racism that was common among white 'races' back in the 50s and 60s, when nationalities were thought of as such.

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    Mar 11, 2012 4:07 AM GMT
    Congrats Ricky! Good win!
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    Mar 11, 2012 4:35 AM GMT
    You really have to question the analytical capabilities or thought processes of those who support him.

    1) To those who hope for a brokered convention, looking at the numbers, it looks very unlikely. If my history serves me correctly, within the past few decades, the 4 times a candidate was not selected until the convention (2 times Democratic, 2 times Republican), they always lost.

    2) To those who agree with his social values, they should know that there is a large majority of independents who don't, and Santorum will not likely be able to pivot away from what has been his signature issue. Even if he never said another thing about social values, he as said so much that it would be come the election issue instead of Obama's policies.

    3) He has been so strident in his opinions that it would be difficult imagining him governing without trying to force them on us all. That further alienates independents.

    4) I have spoken with people who generally share his values, but are put off by his holier-than-thou attitude, his moralizing, his sanctimoniousness. People don't want to preached to by a politician.

    5) Appears with Romney's gains, despite Kansas, that more people who share Santorum's positions are starting to realize this. Whatever the degree of Romney's conservatism is, promising to support abolishing Obamacare and fixing the economy is conservative enough. Cannot imagine him backing out on the Obamacare pledge as it would alienate so many and undermine his plans to reduce the deficit.
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    Mar 11, 2012 4:47 AM GMT
    I keep enjoying the mayhem look forward to a GOP convention in chaos.
    JUICE! I WANT JUICE!!!

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    Mar 11, 2012 4:52 AM GMT
    Yarrrrgh.

    How many times I gotta say this:

    The Establishment GOP has annointed Mitt Romney. It simply is "his turn", just like it was McCain's "turn" in 2008.

    No matter whatever else happens, Romney is walking into the convention with at least 1,149 delegates (and likely more).

    And then Romney will lose by at least 20 electoral votes in November.

    Take it to the banks, or make a bet on it at Paddypower or InTrade in a few weeks.
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    Mar 11, 2012 5:05 AM GMT
    AlphaTrigger saidAnd then Romney will lose by at least 20 electoral votes in November.

    Take it to the banks, or make a bet on it at Paddypower or InTrade in a few weeks.

    Your "facts" are incorrect. You can take that to the bank. Paul lost. Get over it. BTW if you're going to state your predictions as facts, at least justify your facts. Gallup predicts Republican winning 323 to 215, but they are the first to state how all that can change and I think it will be closer. Since you're so sure of yourself, you should be able to provide detailed analysis, right?

    http://race42012.com/category/2012-electoral-college-projection/
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    Mar 11, 2012 5:22 AM GMT
    AlphaTrigger saidYarrrrgh.

    How many times I gotta say this:

    The Establishment GOP has annointed Mitt Romney. It simply is "his turn", just like it was McCain's "turn" in 2008.

    No matter whatever else happens, Romney is walking into the convention with at least 1,149 delegates (and likely more).

    And then Romney will lose by at least 20 electoral votes in November.

    Take it to the banks, or make a bet on it at Paddypower or InTrade in a few weeks.


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    Mar 11, 2012 6:38 AM GMT
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    AlphaTrigger saidAnd then Romney will lose by at least 20 electoral votes in November.

    Take it to the banks, or make a bet on it at Paddypower or InTrade in a few weeks.

    Your "facts" are incorrect. You can take that to the bank. Paul lost. Get over it. BTW if you're going to state your predictions as facts, at least justify your facts. Gallup predicts Republican winning 323 to 215, but they are the first to state how all that can change and I think it will be closer. Since you're so sure of yourself, you should be able to provide detailed analysis, right?

    http://race42012.com/category/2012-electoral-college-projection/


    I'll admit that my view is a mix of gut feeling and some analysis.

    February would be a tad early to conclusively call a race, but barring a major catastrophe or gas prices hitting and staying north of $5USD/gal through peak driving season, this race is really Obama's to lose.

    Hard core GOP partisans will turn out in their usual numbers to support whoever the GOP nominee (pre-selected well in advance by party elites and then rigged to win thru party machinery in most states).

    Independents like myself are just not terribly excited by this creepy, cold, robotic, flip-flopping say-anything billionaire who had used his fortune to grease the skids in his favour.

    I'm not grieving for Ron Paul: he may yet have enough delegates to make an impact on what the convention puts forth in terms of policy to work toward for the next four years. And while he will never see the white house, his legacy will bear fruit, whether it be more directly thru an eventual Rand Paul candidacy in years to come, or someone else who will push forward with liberty and constitutionally correct thinking.

    The old religionist dinosaurs and Rockefeller Republicans are thankfully starting to die off, and not a moment too soon.

    But as for Romney: well, I believe that there are moldy cucumber peels and mentally deficient orangutangs that could elicit more excitement among the voters.

    Which is sad considering that his next best competition is a bible banging nutter, and a pig of a man who can't keep his dick in his pants any better than the former president he hypocritically accused of doing the same.

    As for polls and maps "Race42012.com" seems a little suspect to me as being a tad partisan.

    Here is a map from RealClearPolitics.com:

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/2012_elections_electoral_college_map.html

    As of now, it shows Obama leading by 15 electoral votes against any potential GOP comer.

    The RCP average of polls thru March 9th from Feb. 16th shows Romney trailing Obama by 3.8 points. Watch that gap grow, especially if Obama makes a few consumer-smart moves that lowers gas prices long enough to impact the summer driving season.


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    Mar 11, 2012 7:03 AM GMT
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    AlphaTrigger saidAnd then Romney will lose by at least 20 electoral votes in November.

    Take it to the banks, or make a bet on it at Paddypower or InTrade in a few weeks.

    Your "facts" are incorrect. You can take that to the bank. Paul lost. Get over it. BTW if you're going to state your predictions as facts, at least justify your facts. Gallup predicts Republican winning 323 to 215, but they are the first to state how all that can change and I think it will be closer. Since you're so sure of yourself, you should be able to provide detailed analysis, right?

    http://race42012.com/category/2012-electoral-college-projection/


    I'll admit that my view is a mix of gut feeling and some analysis.

    February would be a tad early to conclusively call a race, but barring a major catastrophe or gas prices hitting and staying north of $5USD/gal through peak driving season, this race is really Obama's to lose.

    Hard core GOP partisans will turn out in their usual numbers to support whoever the GOP nominee (pre-selected well in advance by party elites and then rigged to win thru party machinery in most states).

    Independents like myself are just not terribly excited by this creepy, cold, robotic, flip-flopping say-anything billionaire who had used his fortune to grease the skids in his favour.

    I'm not grieving for Ron Paul: he may yet have enough delegates to make an impact on what the convention puts forth in terms of policy to work toward for the next four years. And while he will never see the white house, his legacy will bear fruit, whether it be more directly thru an eventual Rand Paul candidacy in years to come, or someone else who will push forward with liberty and constitutionally correct thinking.

    The old religionist dinosaurs and Rockefeller Republicans are thankfully starting to die off, and not a moment too soon.

    But as for Romney: well, I believe that there are moldy cucumber peels and mentally deficient orangutangs that could elicit more excitement among the voters.

    Which is sad considering that his next best competition is a bible banging nutter, and a pig of a man who can't keep his dick in his pants any better than the former president he hypocritically accused of doing the same.

    As for polls and maps "Race42012.com" seems a little suspect to me as being a tad partisan.

    Here is a map from RealClearPolitics.com:

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/2012_elections_electoral_college_map.html

    As of now, it shows Obama leading by 15 electoral votes against any potential GOP comer.

    The RCP average of polls thru March 9th from Feb. 16th shows Romney trailing Obama by 3.8 points. Watch that gap grow, especially if Obama makes a few consumer-smart moves that lowers gas prices long enough to impact the summer driving season.

    The current polls are unfavorable to the Republicans because of the primary, while Obama has been skating. Analysis of Romney results in a number of states show an increasing number of conservatives deciding to settle on him. The actions Obama could take to lower gas prices are problematic for him politically and run counter to some of his fundamental principles. http://www.realclearenergy.org/articles/2012/02/23/six_ways_obama_can_lower_gas_prices_.html. If you look at his approval rating, percent of people who say the country is on the wrong track, as well as the unemployment figure, it doesn't look good for him. Events such as in the mid-east could have an impact either way. Bottom line - we can make predictions, but not make statements of certainty.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Mar 11, 2012 7:09 AM GMT
    I still think Romney is going to be the nominee, and that in the end it won't even be all that close. That being said, this GOP race has been so tumultuous that anything could happen to change the whole scenario. Once Romney secures the nomination, I think we will see a huge change in the atmosphere. The GOP will rally behind him -- even if for some it is reluctantly -- and I think the election will be far closer than anyone thinks. That is, unless Romney makes a huge error in judgment with his V.P. pick -- like pick Santorum -- at which I think Obama can't lose.
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    Mar 11, 2012 7:37 AM GMT
    Now I'm just SHOCKERED (but remember we are the "Shockers @ Wichita State....LOL :rollicon_smile.gif .... that you republicans wouldn't "rally" to Rick's side if he becomes the Repub nominee... He'd be your guy!! Where's the
    loyalty!

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    Mar 11, 2012 8:04 AM GMT
    socalfitness saidYou really have to question the analytical capabilities or thought processes of those who support him.

    1) To those who hope for a brokered convention, looking at the numbers, it looks very unlikely. If my history serves me correctly, within the past few decades, the 4 times a candidate was not selected until the convention (2 times Democratic, 2 times Republican), they always lost.

    2) To those who agree with his social values, they should know that there is a large majority of independents who don't, and Santorum will not likely be able to pivot away from what has been his signature issue. Even if he never said another thing about social values, he as said so much that it would be come the election issue instead of Obama's policies.

    3) He has been so strident in his opinions that it would be difficult imagining him governing without trying to force them on us all. That further alienates independents.

    4) I have spoken with people who generally share his values, but are put off by his holier-than-thou attitude, his moralizing, his sanctimoniousness. People don't want to preached to by a politician.

    5) Appears with Romney's gains, despite Kansas, that more people who share Santorum's positions are starting to realize this. Whatever the degree of Romney's conservatism is, promising to support abolishing Obamacare and fixing the economy is conservative enough. Cannot imagine him backing out on the Obamacare pledge as it would alienate so many and undermine his plans to reduce the deficit.


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    AlphaTrigger saidAnd then Romney will lose by at least 20 electoral votes in November.

    Take it to the banks, or make a bet on it at Paddypower or InTrade in a few weeks.

    Your "facts" are incorrect. You can take that to the bank. Paul lost. Get over it. BTW if you're going to state your predictions as facts, at least justify your facts. Gallup predicts Republican winning 323 to 215, but they are the first to state how all that can change and I think it will be closer. Since you're so sure of yourself, you should be able to provide detailed analysis, right?

    http://race42012.com/category/2012-electoral-college-projection/


    I'll admit that my view is a mix of gut feeling and some analysis.

    February would be a tad early to conclusively call a race, but barring a major catastrophe or gas prices hitting and staying north of $5USD/gal through peak driving season, this race is really Obama's to lose.

    Hard core GOP partisans will turn out in their usual numbers to support whoever the GOP nominee (pre-selected well in advance by party elites and then rigged to win thru party machinery in most states).

    Independents like myself are just not terribly excited by this creepy, cold, robotic, flip-flopping say-anything billionaire who had used his fortune to grease the skids in his favour.

    I'm not grieving for Ron Paul: he may yet have enough delegates to make an impact on what the convention puts forth in terms of policy to work toward for the next four years. And while he will never see the white house, his legacy will bear fruit, whether it be more directly thru an eventual Rand Paul candidacy in years to come, or someone else who will push forward with liberty and constitutionally correct thinking.

    The old religionist dinosaurs and Rockefeller Republicans are thankfully starting to die off, and not a moment too soon.

    But as for Romney: well, I believe that there are moldy cucumber peels and mentally deficient orangutangs that could elicit more excitement among the voters.

    Which is sad considering that his next best competition is a bible banging nutter, and a pig of a man who can't keep his dick in his pants any better than the former president he hypocritically accused of doing the same.

    As for polls and maps "Race42012.com" seems a little suspect to me as being a tad partisan.

    Here is a map from RealClearPolitics.com:

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/2012_elections_electoral_college_map.html

    As of now, it shows Obama leading by 15 electoral votes against any potential GOP comer.

    The RCP average of polls thru March 9th from Feb. 16th shows Romney trailing Obama by 3.8 points. Watch that gap grow, especially if Obama makes a few consumer-smart moves that lowers gas prices long enough to impact the summer driving season.

    The current polls are unfavorable to the Republicans because of the primary, while Obama has been skating. Analysis of Romney results in a number of states show an increasing number of conservatives deciding to settle on him. The actions Obama could take to lower gas prices are problematic for him politically and run counter to some of his fundamental principles. http://www.realclearenergy.org/articles/2012/02/23/six_ways_obama_can_lower_gas_prices_.html. If you look at his approval rating, percent of people who say the country is on the wrong track, as well as the unemployment figure, it doesn't look good for him. Events such as in the mid-east could have an impact either way. Bottom line - we can make predictions, but not make statements of certainty.


    I assume you mean just like this one

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

    "With the perception growing that he will be the GOP nominee, Romney leads President Obama by five points in a hypothetical 2012 matchup. Today's numbers show Romney at 48%, Obama at 43%. That’s Romney’s largest lead since December. Matchup results are updated daily at 9:30 a.m. Eastern (sign up for free daily e-mail update). "
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    CuriousJockAZ saidI still think Romney is going to be the nominee, and that in the end it won't even be all that close. That being said, this GOP race has been so tumultuous that anything could happen to change the whole scenario. Once Romney secures the nomination, I think we will see a huge change in the atmosphere. The GOP will rally behind him -- even if for some it is reluctantly -- and I think the election will be far closer than anyone thinks. That is, unless Romney makes a huge error in judgment with his V.P. pick -- like pick Santorum -- at which I think Obama can't lose.


    True, California is a big bunch of delegates, but its awarded winner take all BY congressional district. And as leftist as California is there are still some very conservative congressional districts. The next biggest bunch of delegates is Texas and it very well could go Santorum.

    Romney doesn't own this yet and Santorum doing well is the key to a brokered convention provided Gingrich and Paul stay in.
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    Mar 11, 2012 8:13 AM GMT
    HndsmKansan saidNow I'm just SHOCKERED (but remember we are the "Shockers @ Wichita State....LOL :rollicon_smile.gif .... that you republicans wouldn't "rally" to Rick's side if he becomes the Repub nominee... He'd be your guy!! Where's the
    loyalty!

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    If he's the nominee ..... sure
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    Mar 11, 2012 8:50 AM GMT
    http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/mitt-romney-santorum-gingrich/2012/03/08/id/431848

    Romney's Fuzzy Math for a Fuzzy Campaign
    Thursday, March 8, 2012 09:26 AM
    By: Christopher Ruddy

    Christopher Ruddy's Perspective: I am continually amazed how those at the Romney campaign continue to act victorious when they have such a poor case to make about cinching the nomination.

    Case in point was yesterday's release of a memo that Romney aides claimed proves that only an "act of God" can prevent Romney from getting the nomination. The memo comes on the heels of Romney's public suggestion that the other candidates should get out of the race.

    The Romney team argues that their candidate needs 48 percent of the remaining delegates to win the nomination, while their leading contender Rick Santorum would need 65 percent and Newt Gingrich 70 percent.

    Sure, it's unlikely that Santorum or Gingrich can pull that off. But it's just as unlikely for Romney to get 48 percent of the remaining delegates.

    This means that Romney will fall short of the 1,144 delegates to win on the first ballot in Tampa and it will be brokered.

    This past week, one campaign strategist with ties to the Romney campaign laid out Mitt's problem to me. A back of the envelope count shows the likely number of delegates Romney will have by April 1, due to the proportion distribution of candidates up to that point.

    After April 1, a winner-takes-all system kicks in. My source says that if Romney wins every single primary after April 1, his tally goes up to about 1,200 delegates, making him the winner.

    "So if Romney stumbles and loses one or more primaries, he likely falls short of the 1,144," the source said.

    As we can see, there is a good likelihood Romney will lose one or more primaries after April 1. If either Santorum or Gingrich are still in the race by May, Romney will undoubtedly lose the delegate-rich state of Texas.

    To date, Romney's performance has been weak. Take for example, his Super Tuesday results. He narrowly won Ohio after outspending Rick Santorum by 12-to-1.

    Overall, Romney has spent over $60 million, largely in negative attack ads against Rick Santorum and Newt Gingrich, and what does he have to show for it? Not much.

    He lost Iowa.

    He lost South Carolina.

    He lost Missouri and Minnesota.

    So far he's lost almost every Southern state. On Tuesday we saw landslides for Gingrich in Georgia and Santorum in Tennessee. And states that should be "easy" Mitt wins, like his home state of Michigan, he only squeaked by after spending millions in attack ads there.

    The state he's won handily, he did so by running brutally negative ads against his fellow Republicans.

    Ed Rollins, the genius behind Reagan's brilliant 1984 re-election, said on Fox News the overall voting trends for Romney are not good.

    Rollins observes that Romney has done really well in blue-state primaries. But Republicans won't win these states this November. Rollins adds that Romney loses badly in many red states — ones he must carry in November.

    So Romney has almost all the money, all the big endorsements from the Washington and New York insiders, and a well-oiled campaign machine, and yet he's being beaten by Rick Santorum who has a clipboard and whistle, and by Newt Gingrich who has a podium.

    What's the message here? A supermajority of the Republican party — about 65 percent at this moment — either don't want Mitt Romney or are not comfortable with him as their nominee.

    The leaders who make up the conservative movement across the nation consistently tell me the same thing: Mitt talks a conservative game, but he has yet to walk it.

    The truth is that his policy advisers and campaign staff are filled with moderates who are out of step with the base of the Republican Party.

    One Romney adviser told The Wall Street Journal that as president he would consider doing away with "carried interest" which drives investment and entrepreneurship in the country. The Journal said Romney was embarrassed by the fact he pays so little tax himself.

    Another Romney aide, a healthcare adviser, has stated a Romney administration will keep key parts of Obamacare.

    On the campaign trail, the candidate tells a different story, one that is consistently Reaganesque and vehemently opposed to programs like Obamacare.

    But the Reagan picture Romney paints isn't backed up with a cast of conservative characters around him that would demonstrate his intent.

    "People are policy" and conservatives have needed that reassurance from Romney for good reason. Romney has flip-flopped on so many key issues so often, he needs not a new Reagan speech but a Reagan team.


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    HndsmKansan saidSantorum has over 50% of the vote with about 75% reporting... Romney way back at like 17%... looks like maybe the beginning of a big week for good old RIck...


    with 100% in you guys did very well !

    Santorum 15,290 51.2
    Romney 6,250 20.9
    Gingrich 4,298 14.4
    Paul 3,767 12.6
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    socalfitness said
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    AlphaTrigger saidAnd then Romney will lose by at least 20 electoral votes in November.

    Take it to the banks, or make a bet on it at Paddypower or InTrade in a few weeks.

    Your "facts" are incorrect. You can take that to the bank. Paul lost. Get over it. BTW if you're going to state your predictions as facts, at least justify your facts. Gallup predicts Republican winning 323 to 215, but they are the first to state how all that can change and I think it will be closer. Since you're so sure of yourself, you should be able to provide detailed analysis, right?

    http://race42012.com/category/2012-electoral-college-projection/


    I'll admit that my view is a mix of gut feeling and some analysis.

    February would be a tad early to conclusively call a race, but barring a major catastrophe or gas prices hitting and staying north of $5USD/gal through peak driving season, this race is really Obama's to lose.

    Hard core GOP partisans will turn out in their usual numbers to support whoever the GOP nominee (pre-selected well in advance by party elites and then rigged to win thru party machinery in most states).

    Independents like myself are just not terribly excited by this creepy, cold, robotic, flip-flopping say-anything billionaire who had used his fortune to grease the skids in his favour.

    I'm not grieving for Ron Paul: he may yet have enough delegates to make an impact on what the convention puts forth in terms of policy to work toward for the next four years. And while he will never see the white house, his legacy will bear fruit, whether it be more directly thru an eventual Rand Paul candidacy in years to come, or someone else who will push forward with liberty and constitutionally correct thinking.

    The old religionist dinosaurs and Rockefeller Republicans are thankfully starting to die off, and not a moment too soon.

    But as for Romney: well, I believe that there are moldy cucumber peels and mentally deficient orangutangs that could elicit more excitement among the voters.

    Which is sad considering that his next best competition is a bible banging nutter, and a pig of a man who can't keep his dick in his pants any better than the former president he hypocritically accused of doing the same.

    As for polls and maps "Race42012.com" seems a little suspect to me as being a tad partisan.

    Here is a map from RealClearPolitics.com:

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/2012_elections_electoral_college_map.html

    As of now, it shows Obama leading by 15 electoral votes against any potential GOP comer.

    The RCP average of polls thru March 9th from Feb. 16th shows Romney trailing Obama by 3.8 points. Watch that gap grow, especially if Obama makes a few consumer-smart moves that lowers gas prices long enough to impact the summer driving season.

    The current polls are unfavorable to the Republicans because of the primary, while Obama has been skating. Analysis of Romney results in a number of states show an increasing number of conservatives deciding to settle on him. The actions Obama could take to lower gas prices are problematic for him politically and run counter to some of his fundamental principles. http://www.realclearenergy.org/articles/2012/02/23/six_ways_obama_can_lower_gas_prices_.html. If you look at his approval rating, percent of people who say the country is on the wrong track, as well as the unemployment figure, it doesn't look good for him. Events such as in the mid-east could have an impact either way. Bottom line - we can make predictions, but not make statements of certainty.


    I assume you mean just like this one

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

    "With the perception growing that he will be the GOP nominee, Romney leads President Obama by five points in a hypothetical 2012 matchup. Today's numbers show Romney at 48%, Obama at 43%. That’s Romney’s largest lead since December. Matchup results are updated daily at 9:30 a.m. Eastern (sign up for free daily e-mail update). "

    My statement was accurate, aside from your attempt at sarcasm. From RCP, Obama is ahead in all polls except Rasmussen. I think polls will swing to Romney, but calling it like it is, not cherry picking polls.