How Can Minorities Be Homophobic and Ignorant.

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    Mar 11, 2012 12:07 AM GMT
    Ok, I get that some people are not down with the gay thing when it comes to religion, but Im not talking about them..or getting into that.


    I am talking about the people who bully and pick on others and say hateful words and stuff.

    As an African American from Alabama...i will never understand how a black guy can call me a fag...but get mad when he gets called a ...N word.

    But what is even weirder is how can a minority be so mean to people who are also a minority who are fighting for rights now..who have been abuse, oppressed and stuff for years.

    I don't personally think Race and Sexuality are the same...but still. They both make up who you are.

    I am a minority within a minority and it is...
    not great.

    And it is not just blacks, but other races 2.

    I just don't understand why people want respect, but feel like they don't have to give it in return.

    To Me respect isn't something that is earned. Respect is something that everyone deserves because we are all people.
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    Mar 11, 2012 1:16 AM GMT
    Human nature.

    The abused leap at the opportunity to abuse.

    I'm sure the clinical psyche's among us can add detail to my popular psychology explanation.

    It doesn't excuse it, but it does explain it.


    JD
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    Mar 11, 2012 1:20 AM GMT
    JamieJfromtheA said
    But what is even weirder is how can a minority be so mean to people who are also a minority who are fighting for rights now..who have been abuse, oppressed and stuff for years.


    Hate doesn't discriminate. It's free for everyone to use against anyone if they choose to do so.
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    Mar 11, 2012 1:21 AM GMT
    I dunno, double-standard?
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    Mar 11, 2012 3:41 AM GMT
    Claystation saidI dunno, double-standard?


    The biggest one I ever did see.
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    Mar 11, 2012 3:53 AM GMT
    Because minorities ARE ignorant. I thought everyone knew that. Duh!

    /sarcasm
  • araphael

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    Mar 11, 2012 4:15 AM GMT
    The white guy above me is completely clueless about African American culture, which is probably good given his level of intelligence. The less people like him know about our peoples' ways, the better for us, lol. But really? You don't understand how black guys could be hostile to homosexuals? Wow. The one suggestion I could make to you is that you begin to research the very ancient aspects of your African heritage. You will find out then why African Americans are very hostile towards gay men. But, in our and their defense, black Americans do accept and love people for who they naturally are even if they are different. But that doesn't mean our culture will put its stamp of approval on behavior that at our cultural center that is seen as "anti-nature." I've been through your struggle earlier in my life, and the only way you will be able to live with who you naturally are, in peace, within our African American culture, is to learn and understand about your peoples' ancient ways, beliefs, and view of the world. I hope this helps you a little dude. Good luck.
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    Mar 11, 2012 4:32 AM GMT
    AMoonHawk said
    araphael saidReally? You don't understand how black guys could be hostile to homosexuals? Wow. The one suggestion I could make to you is that you begin to research the very ancient aspects of your African heritage. You will find out then why African Americans are very hostile towards gay men. But, in our and their defense, black Americans do accept and love people even if they are different. But that doesn't mean our culture will put its stamp of approval on behavior that at our cultural center that is seen as "anti-nature." I've been through your struggle earlier in my life, and the only way you will be able to live with who you naturally are, in peace, within our African American culture, is to learn and understand about your peoples' ancient ways, beliefs, and view of the world. I hope this helps you a little dude. Good luck.


    Not to be rude, but that is a terrible cop out. White men that settled into this country a few hundred years ago kept slaves and massacre a million or more native Americans because they believed they were not human and were more along the linage of an animal, in other words not a natural human being. Bigotry is bigotry and does not deserve an explanation or an excuse.


    Thank you for sharing your thoughts here. You illustrate exactly what I was trying to tell the young African American guy who started this thread about the white guy who posted above me. You demonstrate what I was telling him perfectly here in your post response. Thank you for that. Young black man I hope that you see what I was trying to tell you with this white guy's post. Completely clueless about your culture and your peoples' ways. It's irrelevant whether or not he understands our peoples' ways, you just need too understand those ways so that you can live happily among our people as a gay black man okay.
  • araphael

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    Mar 11, 2012 4:53 AM GMT
    Wow! I admit that you did just surprise me with the admission that you are "Chicano?" I'm even more confused now by some of the thoughts you have posted in this thread regarding African Americans. Tell me more about yourself. How did you grow up? Where did you grow up? What were your interactions with African Americans as you grew up, if you had any? I'm just curious.
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    Mar 11, 2012 5:25 AM GMT
    With all due respect araphael

    You may think they are clueless ...but I am not and I am very educated.

    ENough to know that if you follow that logic you are giving me then it would mean that all black people would hate each other aswell, because for those who don't know black people started slavery among themselves.

    So if African Americans are hostile against gay men, that Black People should be hostile against all black people in general.

    William Ellison was a Black and one of the biggest Slave Owners, even during the civil war and everything Black people had slaves...but you never hear about it.

    ALot people don't know that there were black kings and queens and that had their own people as servants.

    Yes it was the white man who brought them to the Americas to be slaves...but black people have always oppressed their own.

    So what you are saying. My fellow chocolate brother is in my opinion...irrelevant.

    Ignorence is awful, no matter the reason and going into the past of culture does not matter either, because no one from that far past is alive today...

    just like how many black kids want to act like we have been slaves and oppressed when we never have been. We tend to act like we feel others pain and we probabaly can't even comprehend the suffering.

    Anyway...Ignorance is ignorance and hypocrisy is hypocrisy...no matter the reason.

    And also as my Chicano friend has stated...I am talking about Minorities in general...not just black people.

    It is also a oxymoron to say African Americans..will love and accept people...but not approve...how can you accept but not approve.

    I swear im not trying to be rude, but the argument you are making is just not strong enough for me.

    Especially when you say the word behavior,
    When you look at the Black Community where Teen Pregnancy is at an all time high, Aids has the highest statistic in African American Women. Violence and Crime are also off the charts...

    so to say gay is bad...is like saying the Black Community is Saints and just want to keep their saint hood which makes my eyes roll.

    Point is reguardless of who someone is are what they do or do it with. Respect should be there. No matter what happened in the past or culture.

    Your justification holds no bound.

    I saw the same thing to women and I will say it here. How can White Men which make up almost 70 percent of the population respect the Black community which is no more than 13 percent of the population when we can't even respect ourselvesicon_question.gif
  • Generaleclect...

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    Mar 11, 2012 6:07 AM GMT
    Because some don't see it as the same type of oppression.

    Just because someone belongs to an oppressed group doesn't mean they can sympathize with or respect another oppressed group.

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    Mar 11, 2012 11:27 AM GMT
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    araphael saidThe white guy above me is completely clueless about African American culture, which is probably good given his level of intelligence. The less people like him know about our peoples' ways, the better for us, lol. But really? You don't understand how black guys could be hostile to homosexuals? Wow. The one suggestion I could make to you is that you begin to research the very ancient aspects of your African heritage. You will find out then why African Americans are very hostile towards gay men. But, in our and their defense, black Americans do accept and love people for who they naturally are even if they are different. But that doesn't mean our culture will put its stamp of approval on behavior that at our cultural center that is seen as "anti-nature." I've been through your struggle earlier in my life, and the only way you will be able to live with who you naturally are, in peace, within our African American culture, is to learn and understand about your peoples' ancient ways, beliefs, and view of the world. I hope this helps you a little dude. Good luck.


    If you are talking about Paul. He was kidding.
    And he actually wrote sarcasm in small font.



    THANK YOU! LOL.

    araphael you're a stupid monkey. you couldn't even read. "sarcasm" was RIGHT there.

    one of those dudes that just talks a lot and tries to educate people on subjects you know little to nothing about.

    log off your computer and go play in traffic. fuck boy.
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    Mar 11, 2012 2:02 PM GMT
    Generaleclectic saidBecause some don't see it as the same type of oppression.

    Just because someone belongs to an oppressed group doesn't mean they can sympathize with or respect another oppressed group.

    I agree with this. Humans are culturally conservative. We are reluctant to empathize with and understand outsiders and show aggression towards them. Additionally, "all men are equal, some men are more equal than others" applies here too.

    Some days ago, I saw a homeless man with a cirrhotic liver due to alcohol abuse. He lives under a bridge. I asked him why he doesn't go live in Tent City, he replied because "they do drugs there."
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    Mar 11, 2012 3:23 PM GMT
    Most people are idiots and just hate on people for any little thing. I wish it'd change but humans are just built that way apparently.
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    Mar 11, 2012 3:29 PM GMT

    Jamie, here's a thought; perhaps, because of the persecution past generations faced, there is a hang-over from those terrible times, a push to be morally/socially conservative and so prove to their detractors/oppressors that they (black community) are deserving of respect and equality et al.

    curious,

    -Doug
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    Mar 11, 2012 5:01 PM GMT
    Minorities can be homophobic for the same reason gay men can be racist: human nature is a bitch.
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    Mar 11, 2012 6:23 PM GMT
    meninlove said
    Jamie, here's a thought; perhaps, because of the persecution past generations faced, there is a hang-over from those terrible times, a push to be morally/socially conservative and so prove to their detractors/oppressors that they (black community) are deserving of respect and equality et al.

    curious,

    -Doug


    Seems logical enough, but still contradictory.

    I think the black community as a whole is alot of things, but conservative never crossed my mind. Especially in today's light.

    My dad was a cop and my mom was a super Christian and so I know i grew up conservative, and even though I am gay i still have alot of those views and values today, but I never quite met anyone who was like that.Or shared the same views. If i did they were female.

    It was a thug, gangsta hardcore lifestyle people wanted to adopt. Anything but conservative and traditional.

    But maybe its just me and/or where I come from.

    I really don't know.

    Sad thing is though, is many of these people are on the DL and try to sex each other up. I have had to many thug "straight men" try to hook up with me. The same ones who beat up people for being different.

    Its sickening.
  • Webster666

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    Mar 11, 2012 8:10 PM GMT
    A lot of people tend to dislike anybody who looks, acts, or is "different."
    "Different" isn't wrong. It's just different.

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    Mar 11, 2012 8:44 PM GMT
    When you say minorities who are you referring to?


    There is a double standard but I do get pervse pleasure when someone gets butthurt over something as trivial as prop 9, but they are the first to classify elitism / racism as a preference.

    If its all but a preference then why do I see yo ass at a tanning bed every week speeding up the inevitable?

    It's crazy if you ask me
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    Mar 11, 2012 9:30 PM GMT
    My guess is the effect (and importance) of religion among the African-American communities. As a group, black preachers have been known to preach against homosexuality as sinful. I live in San Francsico, one of the gayest places in the nation, and I remember when the local government was proposing that there be a law in the city that men could form domestic partnerships and have equal rights as married folks vis-a-vis the city, a very well known black minister here (Amos Brown, I believe) was standing on the steps of city hall, waving a bible, and decrying against such an evil godless decision by the government. He was largely supported by the black community here. For whatever reason, there are more black churches here than you can shake a stick at. Seems to be one on almost every major corner. So the small black population here (about 10% of the city at the time) supported a lot of black churches, and it seemed that most young African-American kids here were going to those churches regularly. I guess some preaching of religion sticks even if the rest wears off. The effect of early religion is probably another reason why so many African-American gays here pretend they're not really gay, remain totally in the closet, thus don't participate in the gay community, remain ignorant of HIV, and get AIDS in such a high proportion.
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    Mar 12, 2012 1:13 AM GMT
    I also noticed Paul was only joking. Get a grip araphael. You look like an ass...
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    Mar 12, 2012 3:40 AM GMT
    AMoonHawk saidSuffice it to say that I grew up in the area of town where Chicano and Blacks and Whites lived next door to each other. I am currious of your upbringing because I seem to always hear this sort defense from people growing up in the east. I'm not saying things were perfect here, but there was quite obviously a lot less bigotry where I grew up.


    Well that's good to know that you had multiple interactions with different people. The world we live in now will only relegate hater people to the lower levels of society. Interestingly enough, I did not grow up for most of my young life in America or "east" as you describe it. And I've met people from both the east and the west coast of the United States. Made friends from both places, so that's why I'm always curious when I hear statements from people that sound as if they have some "fascination" or "obsession" with people of different color or culture. I have friends from many different cultures and they are my friends because I like who they are as people not how they look. So you have just impressed me and I'm sorry if I misjudged your earlier statements and expertise on African culture. Please forgive me.
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    Mar 12, 2012 3:46 AM GMT
    carmi said
    Generaleclectic saidBecause some don't see it as the same type of oppression.

    Just because someone belongs to an oppressed group doesn't mean they can sympathize with or respect another oppressed group.

    I agree with this. Humans are culturally conservative. We are reluctant to empathize with and understand outsiders and show aggression towards them. Additionally, "all men are equal, some men are more equal than others" applies here too.

    Some days ago, I saw a homeless man with a cirrhotic liver due to alcohol abuse. He lives under a bridge. I asked him why he doesn't go live in Tent City, he replied because "they do drugs there."


    Wow. Your response in this thread is devoid of emotionalism and you sound like a very intelligent man. Now I can hear what you are saying because you are using your intelligence and reason here. The homeless man you met, his response makes complete sense to me. I would like to get know you better actually, as an individual person, a man, and as someone who could possibly benefit me in my learning of life. Thanks for sharing your rational thoughts. I really appreciate such people.
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    Mar 12, 2012 3:51 AM GMT
    jmusmc85 saidI also noticed Paul was only joking. Get a grip araphael. You look like an ass...


    Well he didnt notice that, and Im sure if he did his response would be the same...but

    nonetheless the topic at hand is serious...and if someone would have said what Paul said and mean it...he should have every right to be upset.

    just saying...
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    Mar 12, 2012 3:53 AM GMT
    JamieJfromtheA said
    jmusmc85 saidI also noticed Paul was only joking. Get a grip araphael. You look like an ass...


    Well he didnt notice that, and Im sure if he did his response would be the same...but

    nonetheless the topic at hand is serious...and if someone would have said what Paul said and mean it...he should have every right to be upset.

    just saying...


    He's still an ass. Just sayin'...