When will homophobia become "challenged'?

  • DallasCali6Da...

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    Mar 11, 2012 2:06 PM GMT
    http://news.yahoo.com/emo-killings-raise-alarms-iraq-070258712.html

    I am quite lost that in 2012 Hate crime, brutality, and in some cases death is occurring to gay teen, men and fellow humans. How does a parent, a friend, a religious human being accept the hurt of another man whether that hurt is because of someone’s orientation, color or social status? I lost many male friends before I came out years ago and am grateful for the true ones I gained as an adult. If there was an incident to a fellow man which makes him disrespect, disdain, and hate a fellow human male, that said man has the right to seek closure, clarity and peace with it. The world does not command that we become best friends with each other, though it should demand that we respect, and protect the basic human rights we all deserve. Homophobia is a fear. If there is a legitimate reason for that fear, address and comes to terms with it.
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    Mar 11, 2012 3:21 PM GMT
    I don't know what to say, I think for religious people it's just seeing their beliefs being destroyed by a minority, for others it's seeing something natural actually sickens them... it's a variety of reasons and some people are extreme enough to want to abuse, hurt and kill people for that. Just look at KKK and other groups like that, and there will always be people like that. As sad as it is to say.
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    Mar 11, 2012 3:24 PM GMT
    DallasCali6DayGuy saidWhen will homophobia become "challenged'?
    When religion becomes taboo.
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    Mar 11, 2012 5:22 PM GMT
    AMoonHawk said
    paulflexes said
    DallasCali6DayGuy saidWhen will homophobia become "challenged'?
    When religion becomes taboo.

    I honestly don't think religion has anything to do with hate or bigotry...


    You're giving religion too much benefit of the doubt, something it undeservingly demands from people in order to get away with various silly or terrible things.
    Religious say "be open minded to my beliefs...", which practically translates to: "...just believe it, because I don't want to technically explore the whole idea myself nor be exposed to honest opposing opinions because I'm scared of being wrong or losing faith...".

    Religion has tons to do with hate and bigotry. It's fundamentally about believing in something to the point that any information from the real world opposing their beliefs is called a "test of faith".

    Homosexuality is as much a beautiful thing as heterosexuality! And because that's true it shows in some form or another. I'm sure most of us have had the chance to notice when such information surfaced.
    But how will a religious person notice that? When they can't even tell that by their religion's rules the greatest factor in being supernaturally rewarded (eg. heaven) vs. being punished (eg. hell) is where and when was the person born.

    If you take religion out of the picture and the guy just sees you, what excuses for homonegativity does he have left?
    Just "ewww"?
    Because I'm sure "it doesn't fit", "it's not natural" and "if everyone's gay we'll die out" can be (and have been) proven to be wrong too easily.

    As for pure homophobia, that's usually just closeted cases.
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    Mar 11, 2012 6:29 PM GMT
    I don't think all closet cases are the only ones who are purely homophobic. Unless you're suggesting that all those crazy redneck people who want to shoot any gays with their shotgun, they're all in the closet.
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    Mar 11, 2012 6:54 PM GMT
    Reading that really put me in tears...like...it hurts so bad for people to suffer and be killed for things out of your control

    Even though I am one person...I just wish there was something I can do.
    I see such evil in the world, and I can do a damn thing to stop it.

    What a nightmare.
    All in the name of God....
    Who does one think he is to say that have the right to punish someone on behalf of God.

    OH...when the time finally comes, alot of these Extremist are going to be in for a rude awakening.
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    Mar 11, 2012 6:55 PM GMT
    One word: Islam.
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    Mar 11, 2012 7:00 PM GMT
    Haaretz saidOne word: Islam.


    I hope that's a joke...
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    Mar 11, 2012 7:00 PM GMT
    AMoonHawk said
    paulflexes said
    DallasCali6DayGuy saidWhen will homophobia become "challenged'?
    When religion becomes taboo.

    I honestly don't think religion has anything to do with hate or bigotry.
    You might want to read a few biblical texts. They're so murderous and barbaric that not even Hollywood can top it.
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    Mar 11, 2012 8:08 PM GMT
    paulflexes said
    DallasCali6DayGuy saidWhen will homophobia become "challenged'?
    When religion becomes taboo.


    Agreed. When spirituality stops crossing the threshold from being a personal uplifting to conformist dogma, then homophobia will be challenged on a large scale.
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    Mar 12, 2012 1:37 AM GMT
    When you stop asking question on the internet, and start demanding answers, foot on ground, at capitol hill.
  • barriehomeboy

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    Mar 12, 2012 1:52 AM GMT
    Religion is the most destructive force on our planet. It will tear us all apart.

    Go get drunk and rent Alexander Revisited, The Final Cut. You`ll watch Colin Farril kiss and hug cute guys.

    And you`ll see how homosexuals were accepted before Islam and Christianity.
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    Mar 12, 2012 1:59 AM GMT
    Mr_Fahrenheit saidWhen you stop asking question on the internet, and start demanding answers, foot on ground, at capitol hill.
    Because capitol hill is run by religion.
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    Mar 12, 2012 2:10 AM GMT
    This is like asking "when will we have world peace." We can blame religion, lack of education, politics, economic status, geographic location etc.... But whether the case is Black v White, Republican v Democrat, Straight v Gay, Men vs Women, Fem vs Masc the real culprit is an inability to adapt to the fact that there are others who think, act or are different than you. The more secure you are, the less you are threatened.
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    Mar 12, 2012 2:12 AM GMT
    paulflexes said
    Mr_Fahrenheit saidWhen you stop asking question on the internet, and start demanding answers, foot on ground, at capitol hill.
    Because capitol hill is run by religion.


    And here I thought it was money.
  • araphael

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    Mar 12, 2012 2:15 AM GMT
    Thomas Jefferson, one of the American country's founders, said something quite amazing: "the tree of freedom must be watered, from time to time, with the blood of patriots." I've been trying to figure out what he meant by that for many years and the conclusion I have reached is that any group of people who want to be free must pay the price that freedom has always cost--their blood. And gay people, I think, are slowly paying that price we just don't hear about it. Why else would President Obama being trying to help them so much. Just my ignorant opinion.
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    Mar 12, 2012 2:17 AM GMT
    Mr_Fahrenheit said
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    Mr_Fahrenheit saidWhen you stop asking question on the internet, and start demanding answers, foot on ground, at capitol hill.
    Because capitol hill is run by religion.


    And here I thought it was money.
    No, you're thinking of Wall Street.
  • DallasCali6Da...

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    Mar 12, 2012 2:51 AM GMT
    araphael saidThomas Jefferson, one of the American country's founders, said something quite amazing: "the tree of freedom must be watered, from time to time, with the blood of patriots." I've been trying to figure out what he meant by that for many years and the conclusion I have reached is that any group of people who want to be free must pay the price that freedom has always cost--their blood. And gay people, I think, are slowly paying that price we just don't hear about it. Why else would President Obama being trying to help them so much. Just my ignorant opinion.


    Not ignorant at all.

    Thank you all for your educated and heartfelt responses and feedback. It's an important dialogue and one which needs to be continued to be discussed. I've never asked for special rights though I will fight for those that aren't able to.

    Keep educating our fellow human beings that love has no color, no orientation, though can and will bind us to respect and learn from each other
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    Mar 12, 2012 7:23 AM GMT
    paulflexes said
    DallasCali6DayGuy saidWhen will homophobia become "challenged'?
    When religion becomes taboo.


    But religion is not the root of all evil, man is, and a women turned, even more so.

    But lets not forget our own communities are not free of sin, anymore than those that behold a faith in god, and belong to a religion. My 95 YO Mormon granny is full of love and support for I; well knowing I am a poofter, and will never ever take a wife or breed either.

    But the just because someone may point out a negative view point of our communities; and there are a few. This does not make them homophobic either. This is why we cannot ban free speech, it's the backbone of democracy.