Former Gay Porn Star Permitted to Teach Again

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    Mar 12, 2012 2:35 AM GMT
    There was a thread about this incident last year, where a former gay porn star was dismissed from his teaching duties because of the discovery of his porn past. It looks like things have turned around for him.

    A Florida-based teacher who was fired after his past work as a gay adult film star was revealed will be allowed to return to the classroom.

    As LA Weekly is reporting, Shawn Loftis, who directed and acted in a series of gay porn films under the name Collin O'Neal, will not only be permitted to teach, but will also be eligible to apply for a permanent position as an educator. He will, however, reportedly remain on probation for two years.


    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/11/shawn-loftis-gay-porn-star-teaching_n_1337528.html

    Not exactly thrilled that they have him on probation, but I'm glad to see he'll be doing what he loves.
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    Mar 12, 2012 2:43 AM GMT
    It's about time schools learn that porn stars are just as capable of teaching as anyone else.

    I wonder if this will set a precedent among other businesses that have a habit of firing adult industry workers.
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    Mar 12, 2012 4:21 AM GMT
    This is my favorite part of the story:

    "Loftis, who had been working as a substitute teacher at numerous Miami area schools when he was dismissed last year after a principal discovered his films on a website,"
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    Mar 12, 2012 1:10 PM GMT
    Iceblink saidThis is my favorite part of the story:

    "Loftis, who had been working as a substitute teacher at numerous Miami area schools when he was dismissed last year after a principal discovered his films on a website,"
    Maybe they dismissed the wrong person!icon_wink.gif
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    Mar 12, 2012 1:13 PM GMT
    TropicalMark said
    Iceblink saidThis is my favorite part of the story:

    "Loftis, who had been working as a substitute teacher at numerous Miami area schools when he was dismissed last year after a principal discovered his films on a website,"
    Maybe they dismissed the wrong person!icon_wink.gif


    Good points. If he is properly certified and does his job, he should be welcomed back.

    The principal deserves probation. I wonder what else he does in his spare time..lol
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    Mar 12, 2012 1:13 PM GMT
    HndsmKansan said
    TropicalMark said
    Iceblink saidThis is my favorite part of the story:

    "Loftis, who had been working as a substitute teacher at numerous Miami area schools when he was dismissed last year after a principal discovered his films on a website,"
    Maybe they dismissed the wrong person!icon_wink.gif


    Good points. If he is properly certified and does his job, he should be welcomed back.

    The principal deserves probation. I wonder what else he does in his spare time..lol


    ^^THIS.
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    Mar 12, 2012 1:24 PM GMT
    I really like this story.. I appreciate principal and the boy who became a teacher after his porn gay video...icon_evil.gificon_evil.gificon_evil.gif
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    Mar 12, 2012 1:36 PM GMT
    Teachers must know how to inspire- and he does it for me.
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    Mar 12, 2012 8:01 PM GMT
    I consider myself pretty liberal in regards to these sort of issues, but I can appreciate how a student`s easy access to videos of his or her teacher having sex with someone could cause problems in the workplace. You`re not supposed to see your teacher naked, let alone having sex- it`s just not a part of the relationship that`s supposed to be established between teachers and students (whether he wanted them to see his videos or not). I`m happy the guy`s able to go back to work -as he rightfully should be- but I can certainly see how people could consider his past in porn to be disruptive and not appropriate for a classroom environment.
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    Mar 12, 2012 8:14 PM GMT
    Wasn't he still working while claiming that he hadn't done a film in a while? I also thought that he was a substitute teacher, and not a full-time teacher.

    Yeah, the principal part was funny. How did he even explain that? I imagine the conversation went something like this:

    Principal: "I would like to report a teacher that worked in porn."

    Central Office: "What is his name?"

    Principal: "Collin O'Neal."

    Central Office: "How did you discover this, sir?"

    Dead silence. lmao.
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    Mar 12, 2012 8:29 PM GMT
    Trepeat saidI consider myself pretty liberal in regards to these sort of issues, but I can appreciate how a student`s easy access to videos of his or her teacher having sex with someone could cause problems in the workplace. You`re not supposed to see your teacher naked, let alone having sex- it`s just not a part of the relationship that`s supposed to be established between teachers and students (whether he wanted them to see his videos or not). I`m happy the guy`s able to go back to work -as he rightfully should be- but I can certainly see how people could consider his past in porn to be disruptive and not appropriate for a classroom environment.


    I disagree, specifically in terms of privacy as a teacher's right.

    If the student is underage, then the fault of the student looking at inappropriate content on the internet is the responsibility of the parents (or guardians) and not the responsibility of the content creator.

    If the student is not underage, then they are an adult and therefore responsible for themselves. What a teacher or anyone does outside of the classroom is and should be irrelevant to the educational environment. It's far better to have a good teacher who is dedicated to being a good educator that has an 'iffy' past than it is to have a squeaky clean bad teacher (and there's plenty of them around, particularly in Florida.)

    If this model isn't followed, then an environment for McCarthyism is fueled.
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    Mar 12, 2012 8:30 PM GMT
    Odd the reasoning on this website. It's not okay for the principal to look at porn in the privacy of his/her own home, but it's okay for a student to be able to look up videos of his teacher engaged in hardcore sex.

    Anyway, the "Former Gay Porn Star Permitted to Teach Again" headline is overstating Shawn's case. What the Florida Teaching Commission ruled is that his porn past cannot prevent him from pursuing teaching certification or teaching jobs.

    That's it and that's all. He doesn't have his job back and isn't guaranteed a job in the future. No school is required to hire him, and I doubt he will be hired if he tells the truth about his past. And if he doesn't tell the truth, he is bound to be fired again given the moral terpitude and at-will employment clauses in most educators' contracts and employee handbooks.
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    Mar 12, 2012 8:31 PM GMT
    bgcat57 saidWhat a teacher or anyone does outside of the classroom is and should be irrelevant to the educational environment.


    Nonsense. This is the whole point of "background checks" and no school is going to hire you until they have completed one.
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    Mar 12, 2012 8:56 PM GMT
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    Nonsense. This is the whole point of "background checks" and no school is going to hire you until they have completed one.


    The purpose of "background checks" is supposed to be for illegal activity. If it is used for other reasons, then that is illegal in itself depending on the states discrimination laws. Otherwise, it's no different than not hiring someone because of their race, religion, political affiliations, etc.

    Florida is one of the states that has fairly poor laws governing discrimination.
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    Mar 12, 2012 8:58 PM GMT
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    What a teacher or anyone does outside of the classroom is and should be irrelevant to the educational environment.


    That only works if you are a politician....icon_cry.gif


    "Youthful indiscretions" are allowed well into your forties.....icon_wink.gif
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    Mar 12, 2012 9:27 PM GMT
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    TrojanAthlete said
    Nonsense. This is the whole point of "background checks" and no school is going to hire you until they have completed one.


    The purpose of "background checks" is supposed to be for illegal activity. If it is used for other reasons, then that is illegal in itself depending on the states discrimination laws. Otherwise, it's no different than not hiring someone because of their race, religion, political affiliations, etc.

    Florida is one of the states that has fairly poor laws governing discrimination.


    Criminal activity is not the only point of background checks. For example, a background check can legally include your credit history (for some jobs like government jobs requiring security clearance, human resources can probe your relationships, your social networking habits, your medical history and more). Having a history of delinquent credit payments is not criminal, but there is no law prohibiting an employer from associating that with irresponsibility and rejecting your application on those grounds.

    Your earlier point that 'nothing a teacher does outside the classroom is relevant' was overstated. As you admit, criminal activity outside the classroom is relevant. As one of many hiring mangers at my school, I'm legally allowed if not required to decide whether images of your erect dick and cum and spread ass cheeks being available to student or parents via a simple Google search are, albeit in a less ominous way.

    No one who actually works in education thinks they can do "anything" outside the classroom and keep their jobs. Most educators' contracts and handbooks contain moral turpitude language; mine for example, allows my school to pink slip me for any behavior that could reflect badly on the school or hinder my ability to serve as an effective arbiter for parents and/or an effective authority figure for students. Front-of-camera work in adult entertainment -- or actively working in porn and lying about it as this guy did -- certainly applies.

    P.S. The private school I work at once had a former porn actor on staff. He came clean about background and his adult work was easily accessible. He was employed at the school's discretion, even after rumors of his past spread among students. He could have been legally terminated at any time. He ended up being fired for something else vis a vis inappropriate judgment.
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    Mar 12, 2012 9:44 PM GMT
    TrojanAthlete said

    Anyway, the "Former Gay Porn Star Permitted to Teach Again" headline is overstating Shawn's case. What the Florida Teaching Commission ruled is that his porn past cannot prevent him from pursuing teaching certification or teaching jobs.

    That's it and that's all. He doesn't have his job back and isn't guaranteed a job in the future. No school is required to hire him, and I doubt he will be hired if he tells the truth about his past. And if he doesn't tell the truth, he is bound to be fired again given the moral terpitude and at-will employment clauses in most educators' contracts and employee handbooks.


    Well, the article posted does not state that. This article does:

    http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/10/2689736/state-ex-porn-actor-and-substitute.html
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    Mar 12, 2012 9:51 PM GMT
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    No criminal activity is not the only point of background checks. Have you ever worked in hiring? A background check can include, for example, your credit history. Having a history of delinquent credit is not criminal, but it can certainly make an employer question your ability to be responsible, and there is no law prohibiting an employer from rejected your application on those grounds.

    But even so, but your earlier point that nothing a teacher does outside the classroom being relevant is simply untrue. As you admit, criminal activity outside the classroom is certainly relevant. Have your spread ass and dick and cum all over the internet for any student or parent to see is relevant too, albeit in a different way.

    No one who actually works in education thinks they can do "anything" outside the classroom and keep their jobs. Most employee contracts and handbooks contain moral turpitude language; mine for example, allows my school to terminate my employment for any behavior that could either reflect badly on the school or hinder my ability to serve as an effective arbiter for students and an effective authority figure for students and parents. Having been a hardcore porn star in the past -- or actively working in porn and lying about it as this guy did -- certainly applies.

    Schools are not required to hire any person, let alone those whom students can find having sex on camera with a simple Google search, nor should they be.

    P.S. The private school where I work did have a former porn star on staff. He came clean about his work history and his adult work was not readily available. My private school was not required to have him on staff and he was employed at the school at the school's discretion, even after rumors of his past spread among students. Please note that we could have legally terminated him at any time. He ended up being fired for something else.


    I agree. But I didn't mean to even imply that any one is 'required' to hire someone with a specific past. Also, the credit check, and other background checks are supposed to be in keeping with the responsibilities of the hired worker; if they are going to be handling money, then you need to make sure that they are not in a financial position have a high need for cash where they may be more likely to steel if the financial pressure is high enough.

    In public jobs the hiring policies are set to meet standards that are also public. If the school is private, then they have far fewer limitations as to who they can hire. He was working under a fake name as most do in that industry. The article, however, has made it a public matter now so it probably will be more difficult to get a job.

    As with any job, clauses such as the moral turpitude type you mention are common in many jobs and are as often used as they are ignored depending on the situation. Even if there is no moral turpitude clause in effect, they can often find other means to get rid of someone. If the students (and more importantly, the parents) make a big deal out of a rumor, then actions can be taken no matter how unfair they are.

    It will be interesting to see what the work environment is like in ten years after almost 15 years of large scale social media has an effect on an entire generation and the things that people put on the internet in ways they thought were private turn out to be not so private.
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    Mar 12, 2012 9:57 PM GMT
    I met Collin back when he was still doing films, very nice guy.
    Yes, he should be allowed to teach again, and im also glad(unlike some other former adult film actors), hes not ashamed or doesnt regret his former career. Kudos!
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    Iceblink saidThis is my favorite part of the story:

    "Loftis, who had been working as a substitute teacher at numerous Miami area schools when he was dismissed last year after a principal discovered his films on a website,"
    Maybe they dismissed the wrong person!icon_wink.gif


    Good points. If he is properly certified and does his job, he should be welcomed back.

    The principal deserves probation. I wonder what else he does in his spare time..lol


    At least it wasn´t kiddie porn.
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    TrojanAthlete saidOdd the reasoning on this website. It's not okay for the principal to look at porn in the privacy of his/her own home, but it's okay for a student to be able to look up videos of his teacher engaged in hardcore sex.

    Anyway, the "Former Gay Porn Star Permitted to Teach Again" headline is overstating Shawn's case. What the Florida Teaching Commission ruled is that his porn past cannot prevent him from pursuing teaching certification or teaching jobs.

    That's it and that's all. He doesn't have his job back and isn't guaranteed a job in the future. No school is required to hire him, and I doubt he will be hired if he tells the truth about his past. And if he doesn't tell the truth, he is bound to be fired again given the moral terpitude and at-will employment clauses in most educators' contracts and employee handbooks.


    Oh you are a miserable cunt, aren´t you? You need a good nailing to get you a bit nicer.
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    It will be interesting to see what the work environment is like in ten years after almost 15 years of large scale social media has an effect on an entire generation and the things that people put on the internet in ways they thought were private turn out to be not so private.


    On the one hand, it seems like it's bound to change. On the other, Puritanical hangups about sex and the human body are deeply embedded in America's collective unconscious.

    But at least they aren't still firing teachers for getting pregnant, getting married, or wearing pants -- at least not in most places, haha.
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    So 4th grades.... Today were going to learn to tame our gag reflex icon_twisted.gif
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    Mar 12, 2012 11:19 PM GMT
    TrojanAthlete said
    bgcat57 said
    It will be interesting to see what the work environment is like in ten years after almost 15 years of large scale social media has an effect on an entire generation and the things that people put on the internet in ways they thought were private turn out to be not so private.


    On the one hand, it seems like it's bound to change. On the other, Puritanical hangups about sex and the human body are deeply embedded in America's collective unconscious.

    But at least they aren't still firing teachers for getting pregnant, getting married, or wearing pants -- at least not in most places, haha.


    You think its a puritanical hangup to fire a teacher who used to get gang banged on film for money? Seriously?

    Most teaching contracts have moral clauses built into them allowing teachers to be fired for their behaviour outside of the classroom. An ex porn actor has no place in a classroom teaching children; there is no way that he will have the respect of the faculty, kids, or the kids' parents after this was exposed.

    Its nice for gay men to be so open minded about sex, but sometimes I swear some of you guys live in la la land.
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    Trepeat saidI consider myself pretty liberal in regards to these sort of issues, but I can appreciate how a student`s easy access to videos of his or her teacher having sex with someone could cause problems in the workplace. You`re not supposed to see your teacher naked, let alone having sex- it`s just not a part of the relationship that`s supposed to be established between teachers and students (whether he wanted them to see his videos or not). I`m happy the guy`s able to go back to work -as he rightfully should be- but I can certainly see how people could consider his past in porn to be disruptive and not appropriate for a classroom environment.


    I disagree, specifically in terms of privacy as a teacher's right.

    If the student is underage, then the fault of the student looking at inappropriate content on the internet is the responsibility of the parents (or guardians) and not the responsibility of the content creator.

    If the student is not underage, then they are an adult and therefore responsible for themselves. What a teacher or anyone does outside of the classroom is and should be irrelevant to the educational environment. It's far better to have a good teacher who is dedicated to being a good educator that has an 'iffy' past than it is to have a squeaky clean bad teacher (and there's plenty of them around, particularly in Florida.)

    If this model isn't followed, then an environment for McCarthyism is fueled.


    This ^^^^^

    Absolutely! The sooner this culture sheds the undesirable vestiges of its Puritanical past (the good vestiges can be kept!), such as this obsession with matters sexual, the better. It is high time that school children should view sexual matters as a normal part of life, which includes realizing that both their parents and their teachers have sex.